AP Poll is interesting ...

WhosYourDawggy said:
We aren't dumb ... we know why you don't want to answer it. That's cool. It would just have been easier to answer ... either way we would have known what you thought.
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My guess is anywhere from 9-0 to 6-3. We'll never know so it isn't really worth arguing.
 
Deep Creek said:
That's just pathetic. Thank you huge conferences and unbalanced schedules.
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The SEC did a little better, but not much. They hammered OU and UGA, and gave Texas a pass. I mean how hard can it be to more evenly distribute the better games?

The SEC just has more better teams. I mean the B1G is tOSU and UO right now. PSU is who they always are - beat up on the mid teams and then lose to tOSU and UM ((in past years). IU we have no idea on.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
The SEC did a little better, but not much. They hammered OU and UGA, and gave Texas a pass. I mean how hard can it be to more evenly distribute the better games?

The SEC just has more better teams. I mean the B1G is tOSU and UO right now. PSU is who they always are - beat up on the mid teams and then lose to tOSU and UM ((in past years). IU we have no idea on.
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It's tougher when you have locked-in rivalries. More teams get to beat up on Auburn because "tradition", whereas Texas and Missouri don't have much of that.
 
ericd7633 said:
I don't think Wazzu will come up at all either. If they are comparing IU and Wazzu that result is likely a wash. IU has been much stronger across the board. That's the better case for an 11-1 IU over an 11-1 Wazzu. The common opponent argument I think would be one of their weaker cases. IU pummeling everyone (for the most part) while Wazzu has struggled with the likes of Fresno State, SJSU, and San Diego State, will hurt their case much more than common opponent result of the Washington game.
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I agree with this. My point is that Indiana (11-1) vs. Wash. State (11-1) should be a discussion more than it should be against a (10-2) team with a much harder schedule (that includes quality wins) than either of these teams. Furthermore, if IU loses to Ohio State and still gets to host a First Round Game, that will be ridiculous.
 
ericd7633 said:
My guess is anywhere from 9-0 to 6-3. We'll never know so it isn't really worth arguing.
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Sure it is. That's exactly what we do on the hoop all the time!

Some of the arguing is legit, some insane.
 
Across The Field said:
Indiana also beat Washington from the B1G, and beat them by more. Again, they also have had the narrow wins vs mid-bad range G5s that WSU has had. They also have beaten numerous other teams from the B1G that would likely go 11-1 with WSU's schedule.
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Now, that is funny!
 
78Cyclones said:
I agree with this. My point is that Indiana (11-1) vs. Wash. State (11-1) should be a discussion more than it should be against a (10-2) team with a much harder schedule (that includes quality wins) than either of these teams. Furthermore, if IU loses to Ohio State and still gets to host a First Round Game, that will be ridiculous.
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It'll be pretty fluid from #7-#11 I think. If the Ohio State game is close, it'll be tough for Indiana to be below #8 in the final rankings, especially if Ohio State beats Oregon in the rematch.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
The SEC did a little better, but not much. They hammered OU and UGA, and gave Texas a pass. I mean how hard can it be to more evenly distribute the better games?

The SEC just has more better teams. I mean the B1G is tOSU and UO right now. PSU is who they always are - beat up on the mid teams and then lose to tOSU and UM ((in past years). IU we have no idea on.
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They are a great story and aren't bad by any means. I'd say they were well above average. Just not what some are making them out to be......yet. They may damn well end up there.
 
Deep Creek said:
One would think the higher SMU is ranked the better the seeding for BYU. That said, I wouldn't hang my hat on such logical and unbiased thinking. There are too many other things that can influence the committee besides objectivity. As @Thiefery reminds me quite often, BRANDS still matter.

The committee isn't dummies. They'll set up the rankings each week in order for them to utilize Skinner's Constant aka Flannagen's Finagling Factor. "That quantity which, when multiplied by, divided into, added to, or subtracted from the answer you got, gives you the answer you should have gotten."

The committee screwed up and didn't use Skinner/Flannagen when they allowed Cincy and TCU into the CFP. Those teams got blown out. (Well, TCU did beat Michigan but the next game was a total disaster.)
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Damn right.. it's why I want to see SMU>>Clemson/Miami
 
michaeljordan_fan said:
It'll be pretty fluid from #7-#11 I think. If the Ohio State game is close, it'll be tough for Indiana to be below #8 in the final rankings, especially if Ohio State beats Oregon in the rematch.
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I can live with #9, but if they finish (11-1) with 0 quality wins, they just flat out do not deserve to host a First Round Game.
 
78Cyclones said:
I agree with this. My point is that Indiana (11-1) vs. Wash. State (11-1) should be a discussion more than it should be against a (10-2) team with a much harder schedule (that includes quality wins) than either of these teams. Furthermore, if IU loses to Ohio State and still gets to host a First Round Game, that will be ridiculous.
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Here's where quality of team comes into play IMO. IU has just performed much better (assuming they both finish 11-1) than Wazzu has. Wazzu has some close calls against some pretty bad competition from the Mtn. West games. IU's close call is against a Michigan team that will be 6-6 likely. From a resume perspective, I do think it will be relatively close between the two (SoR would be a good metric to look at). Wazzu is currently 21st, IU 6. Both finishing at 11-1 I can see that difference only being about 5/6 spots. But IU from a performance standpoint will be much better.
 
78Cyclones said:
Now, that is funny!
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Not really. Wazzou is a G5 this year from a scheduling perspective, and a bad one at that, yet have several struggles with low end teams. You just made fun of Indiana for beating michigan by 5, yet that same michigan team had a much easier time with Fresno than Wazzou did, did they not? You can't sit there and rip Indiana's schedule while also trying to pump up a win over Texas Tech.
 
Across The Field said:
You can't sit there and rip Indiana's schedule while also trying to pump up a win over Texas Tech.
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Sure he can. He's been ridiculous this entire discussion.

Probably bitter that Iowa State only has Vandy for company in the "Never Won 10 Games Club"
 
Deep Creek said:
They are a great story and aren't bad by any means. I'd say they were well above average. Just not what some are making them out to be......yet. They may damn well end up there.
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That's the ironic part about this. I actually WANT Indiana to win @ Ohio State AND beat Oregon in the B1G CCG and go to the Rose Bowl! That would be GREAT for CFB. Sneaking into the CFP without beating a team with a pulse and hosting a First Round Game simply by playing in the B1G Farce would be a joke.
 
78Cyclones said:
That's the ironic part about this. I actually WANT Indiana to win @ Ohio State AND beat Oregon in the B1G CCG and go to the Rose Bowl! That would be GREAT for CFB. Sneaking into the CFP without beating a team with a pulse and hosting a First Round Game simply by playing in the B1G Farce would be a joke.
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All this bluster about Indiana, and yet Texas is poised to do the exact same thing with a loss to A&M.
 
michaeljordan_fan said:
It's tougher when you have locked-in rivalries. More teams get to beat up on Auburn because "tradition", whereas Texas and Missouri don't have much of that.
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Yeah, some have more than one built in rivalries. That makes rotating the schedules. Hell, Georgia is dumb enough to have three, Aubie, Florida and Ga Tech. But too of them suck this year and one is so-so.

Auburn's really stupid for picking Bama and Georgia as rivals. Need to pick on the cripple in the corner is you're gonna start a fight.

Maybe not Mizzou (they used to have a rival in Kansas) but Texas also has two. One of them just happens to really suck this year. Ohio State only has one and they suck this year too.

Seems many only have one...if any. LSU fans claim they don't really have one.
 
Across The Field said:
Not really. Wazzou is a G5 this year from a scheduling perspective, and a bad one at that, yet have several struggles with low end teams. You just made fun of Indiana for beating michigan by 5, yet that same michigan team had a much easier time with Fresno than Wazzou did, did they not? You can't sit there and rip Indiana's schedule while also trying to pump up a win over Texas Tech.
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I was making fun of Indiana beating Michigan (5-5) by 5 and it IMPROVING their SOS. I have no issue if IU and Wash. State are both (11-1), compared and IU is determined to be better.
 
Deep Creek said:
Yeah, some have more than one built in rivalries. That makes rotating the schedules. Hell, Georgia is dumb enough to have three, Aubie, Florida and Ga Tech. But too of them suck this year and one is so-so.

Auburn's really stupid for picking Bama and Georgia as rivals. Need to pick on the cripple in the corner is you're gonna start a fight.

Maybe not Mizzou (they used to have a rival in Kansas) but Texas also has two. One of them just happens to really suck this year. Ohio State only has one and they suck this year too.

Seems many only have one...if any. LSU fans claim they don't really have one.
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They need to go to 9 conference games.
 
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