AP Poll is interesting ...

Me too and have voiced such very often on here. Believe it or not, from what I understand, the P2 actually wanted them included automatically. Not sure they wanted a bye guaranteed. But they did want representation from them.

As a fan of a G5 team, be it a bad one, I think they G5s should have a separate playoff. JMO

The quality of play in the ACC and Big 12 is clearly a way off of what it is in the SEC and Big 10, I think we are going to see this mostly stay similar going forward. If you are going to keep giving auto bids i'd say get rid of the BYE stipulation, the BYEs should just go to the top 4 teams regardless of conference affiliation.
 
I agree with this. It might even be somewhat unconscious, but if 9-12 are all basically the same team, why not line them up for the best TV. I mean can anyone tell the difference between a bunch of 10-2 teams? Other than UGA, of course.
I would say it is always unconscious. If not, they shouldn't be on the committee. And we can say they check their bias/experience/history at the door when they ceremonially hang their hats on the hook swhen they walk in. But we are all a compilation of our history and experiences...even if we aren't intentionally biased.
 
The SEC has 8 of the top 11 schedules. I don't care who they are. That was the only point I was making. I am certainly not going to argue that Texas has played a tough schedule ... I've poked the Texas Honks here about their easy schedule.

By the way, SOS only means 2 things - whether you get credit for it against a team that has one less loss, and seeding. Other than that you have to win the games you play. We've lost 2. Lose one more and we are out and no matter our SOS we won't get in. That's the way it goes. Unlike FSU, I won't pitch a fit.

And out of those 8 teams only 2 are CFP contenders. So your point doesn't really mean much.
 
And out of those 8 teams only 2 are CFP contenders. So your point doesn't really mean much.

Losses shouldn't matter in the mind of SEC honks. It's all just about the SOS! Who cares what Florida's SOS is if they lose badly in most of their games? Florida and Auburn are below average-bad teams no matter what P4 conference you stick them in.
 
The quality of play in the ACC and Big 12 is clearly a way off of what it is in the SEC and Big 10, I think we are going to see this mostly stay similar going forward. If you are going to keep giving auto bids i'd say get rid of the BYE stipulation, the BYEs should just go to the top 4 teams regardless of conference affiliation.
It definitely seems to be this year. Neither conference has any real good teams this year. Miami is fools gold but the committee bought it. Now they have to sell it.

But, such is probably only the case with the top B1G/SEC teams. The bottom feeders in those two aren't much better than the average Big 12 or ACC team.

Exhibit A: Arkansas. They have three SEC wins. Auburn, Miss State and Tennessee. They lost to a bad 3-7 Oklahoma State team that has yet to win a single Big 12 game. Let that sink in. None, zero, nada. 0-7! I'll go out on a limb and say Arkansas would finish in the middle of the Big 12 this year.
 
This. They can't. Ratings wouldn't fund it. As long as the P2 is willing to give them more crumbs than they could make with their own playoff, they'll have to live with those golden handcuffs.
That's my thuoght ... the P2 is already just giving them some money to keep the anti-trust suit away. Why not throw that into a playoff pool?
 
Losses shouldn't matter in the mind of SEC honks. It's all just about the SOS! Who cares what Florida's SOS is if they lose badly in most of their games? Florida and Auburn are below average-bad teams no matter what P4 conference you stick them in.
Dude ... I have stated numerous times that one more loss and we are out. But, if you don't think that the Committee should look SOS, I don't know what to tell you. It matters who you play when you look at losses. Duh. You aren't going to believe this but just because you didn't lose a game may not mean you are really good. That's just common sense.
 
That's my thuoght ... the P2 is already just giving them some money to keep the anti-trust suit away. Why not throw that into a playoff pool?
The P2 could if they wanted to. And it would probably be better for CFB overall. But we all know what is best for college football has been trumped by the desire for money.

I'm guessing they keep doing it because they'd like to keep what little viewership the G5s do generate in the overall CFP pool. Same for keeping the Big 12 and ACC in the fold. The other is the antitrust you refer to. But that is just conjecture on my part.
 
The quality of play in the ACC and Big 12 is clearly a way off of what it is in the SEC and Big 10, I think we are going to see this mostly stay similar going forward. If you are going to keep giving auto bids i'd say get rid of the BYE stipulation, the BYEs should just go to the top 4 teams regardless of conference affiliation.
Square this post with this one:

Losses shouldn't matter in the mind of SEC honks. It's all just about the SOS! Who cares what Florida's SOS is if they lose badly in most of their games? Florida and Auburn are below average-bad teams no matter what P4 conference you stick them in.


You acknowledge that the B12 and ACC play way weaker competition, so you are ok with that being considered. But god forbid we look at SOS to compare teams in the P2. You see how that makes no sense, right?

And, FWIW, I have never touted SEC teams like UF and Auburn. I hate them both, they suck, and I hope they lose every game they play. At the same time, I can factually point out they have a tough SOS. You guys are making this way harder than it needs to be.
 
Dude ... I have stated numerous times that one more loss and we are out. But, if you don't think that the Committee should look SOS, I don't know what to tell you. It matters who you play when you look at losses. Duh. You aren't going to believe this but just because you didn't lose a game may not mean you are really good. That's just common sense.

I think who you lose to matters, some of the SEC people seem to think otherwise.

Georgia i'd agree with because they don't have a bad loss. People basically giving Bama a free pass for losing to Vandy blows my mind though.

Texas is the funny one. If they lose to A&M they will have 2 losses and not a single win i'd call a very good one. Won't stop ESPN from trying to will them into the field though.
 
I think who you lose to matters, some of the SEC people seem to think otherwise.

Georgia i'd agree with because they don't have a bad loss. People basically giving Bama a free pass for losing to Vandy blows my mind though.

Texas is the funny one. If they lose to A&M they will have 2 losses and not a single win i'd call a very good one. Won't stop ESPN from trying to will them into the field though.
I agree it matters. So, Bama beats UGA, LSU and loses to Vandy and Tenn. If you have watched them play, they can beat anyone on a given day and then look like total shit. At least up until now. If they play like the LSU game you don't want any part of them. I totally agree with Texas. Candidly, this would be a good year to get UGA ... our O is anemic, and our D is really good at times and not very good at other times.

But this is where the SOS comes in. When you have a team that plays a lot of good teams, you are going to lose. If you are like IU and you don't play anyone, you better win them all, and if you lose, you better be punished.

Texas is going to be very interesting ... if they lose to ATM I can absolutely see them be at 2 loss SEC team left out. They would have no good wins and 2 good losses. That is where having a weak schedule should hurt you. But if you believe that, you better say the same for IU.

Right now, you guys have played 2 good teams - you lost one and won one.
 
Texas is the funny one. If they lose to A&M they will have 2 losses and not a single win i'd call a very good one. Won't stop ESPN from trying to will them into the field though.
If Texas loses to A&M, they shouldn't be in because of what you say regarding their wins. They'll have zero "good" wins.

Their schedule wasn't to difficult to begin with IMO. And Michigan and Oklahoma not being good enough to be ranked removed any margin of error they might have.

Miami may finish 11-1 and not have beaten a ranked team similar to Indiana. Miami's is understandable since the ACC isn't that good. But Indiana playing a nine game B1G schedule, going 8-1 and not beating a ranked team is a :puzzled:. Doesn't say much for the B1G's 5-18 does it? Add to that Penn State will probably end up 11-1 having zero wins against a ranked opponent.

And, what is the committee going to do when they have to make decisions about teams with a few losses but no real good wins? Some teams have to fill those slots. What's going to be interesting is when they have to let in a Colorado and eliminate one of the teams we are talking about. But....auto bids.
 
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If Texas loses to A&M, they shouldn't be in because of what you say regarding their wins. They'll have zero "good" wins.

Their schedule wasn't to difficult to begin with IMO. And Michigan and Oklahoma not being good enough to be ranked removed any margin of error they might have.

Miami may finish 11-1 and not have beaten a ranked team similar to Indiana. Miami's is understandable since the ACC isn't that good. But Indiana playing a nine game B1G schedule, going 8-1 and not beating a ranked team is a :puzzled:. Doesn't say much for the B1G's 5-18 does it?

And, what is the committee going to do when they have to make decisions about teams with a few losses but no real good wins? Some teams have to fill those slots. What's going to be interesting is when they have to let in a Colorado and eliminate one of the teams we are talking about. But....auto bids.

Miami definitely does not pass the eye test either, they've had a bunch of close games and got bailed out a couple of times by the refs against below average at best ACC teams.

Indiana at least has for the most part easily won almost all of their games, even though their schedule sucks. Miami's 1 loss would be much worse than Indiana's supposed 1 loss if they lose to Ohio State.

Miami likely plays in the ACC title game though unless they go into meltdown mode and lose to Wake or Syracuse as well, so they are either a 1 loss ACC champ or a 2 loss non champ with no shot of getting in.
 
Miami definitely does not pass the eye test either, they've had a bunch of close games and got bailed out a couple of times by the refs against below average at best ACC teams.

Indiana at least has for the most part easily won almost all of their games, even though their schedule sucks. Miami's 1 loss would be much worse than Indiana's supposed 1 loss if they lose to Ohio State.

Miami likely plays in the ACC title game though unless they go into meltdown mode and lose to Wake or Syracuse as well, so they are either a 1 loss ACC champ or a 2 loss non champ with no shot of getting in.
Penn State may not have any better resume than Indiana. Both could be 11-1 without a ranked win. One of them, if not both, HAVE to get in. No way there is only 2 B1G teams in the CFP even if none of the rest have a ranked win. That would also trigger creating a brand new playoff structure and eliminate a committee. The P2 ain't having any of that.
 
Penn State may not have any better resume than Indiana. Both could be 11-1 without a ranked win. One of them, if not both, HAVE to get in. No way there is only 2 B1G teams in the CFP even if none of the rest have a ranked win. That would also trigger creating a brand new playoff structure and eliminate a committee. The P2 ain't having any of that.

Without another loss penny State is for sure in if they win out. They may not have a ranked win but their SOS is anywhere from 30-45 depending on where you look. Indiana's is 76-100
 
I personally find the AP poll very uninteresting.
 
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