Best Conference Move Of The Decade

jontaejones said:
My point is I don't think anybody prefers the new alignment to the way things were.

But especially basketball fans.

It's all moves made about money with leaders that specialize in business transactions.
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Money is the only reason that these universities had sports teams to begin with and now with NIL and possible players union style organization looming in the future
why would it NOT be about money? I think most people understand that at this point , and probably agree on a lot of it and just hope & pray that it doesn’t ruin the sport(s).
 
Deep Creek said:
I agree. They may get one if the auto qualifier stays. But that parity may have a champion that is 8-4 which won't sit too well with the powers that be. And the 2nd and 3rd place teams may well be 7-5 which won't be good enough for an at large. Soooooooo, the best part will be the entertainment aspect of the regular season being mostly close competitive games instead of blowouts. They'll probably still have a few when a team get decimated by injuries/gets their daubers down, when meeting one that is on a heater. But overall, the teams should be more evenly matched than any other conference.
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Absolutely, the commissioners of the BIG AND SEC ain’t gonna sit back and let those 8-4 type champions get in the playoffs over their power two conference members with better records and they shouldn’t that’s their job to keep their conferences at the top.

I’ll be surprised if the Big12 isn’t wildly entertaining with several teams having a shot at the championship throughout the regulation season but then being an 8 or 9 game winner in the end.
In a perfect world and if the AQ were to stick around, sure that team still gets in and then prob gets knocked out quick most times but CFB is a dog eat dog world when it comes to money and if the conferences are getting extra money for members making playoff appearances then I seriously doubt those type of teams are going to be In ultimately.
 
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CoalTrain said:
Money is the only reason that these universities had sports teams to begin with and now with NIL and possible players union style organization looming in the future
why would it NOT be about money? I think most people understand that at this point , and probably agree on a lot of it and just hope & pray that it doesn’t ruin the sport(s).
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To an extent... you need money to run a successful football program.

But let's be honest. USC was never going to be UConn football, no matter how many scandals, bad coaching hires, etc.

Plus whatever more you make, you're just going to put back into the program and into the pockets of a few rich dudes.

I'm NOT convinced USC is any better in the B1G now and in the future than they were in the old PAC12.
 
jontaejones said:
To an extent... you need money to run a successful football program.

But let's be honest. USC was never going to be UConn football, no matter how many scandals, bad coaching hires, etc.

Plus whatever more you make, you're just going to put back into the program and into the pockets of a few rich dudes.

I'm NOT convinced USC is any better in the B1G now and in the future than they were in the old PAC12.
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If/when this money that these schools are getting becomes legal to pay the best players to come to your school… they’ll be in another universe compared to staying in the PAC.

Also don’t be shocked to start seeing some of the conferences actually RETRACT and trim some of its “dead weight” programs or go join their own new conferences so the more desirable brands can keep even more money by selling the higher rated games (think eyeballs per game) to just play each other.

Ohio State
Michigan
Notre Dame
USC
Michigan State
Wisconsin
Penn State
Nebraska
Oregon
Washington

With a non conference game or two with SEC schools X and Y of similar ilk plus a CCG?

How much is that deal and how much per school?
 
CoalTrain said:
A direct flight from Charlotte NC to Vegas is typically only about 4 1/2 hrs. If the athletes can’t handle a little extra time on an airplane then they need to toughen up. Now, that said the league will also have to try to work with those longer trips as well as far as trying not to schedule back to back long road trips as much as possible but that’s not new to the Big12, they have already been doing that with WVU since they joined.
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Yeah, as long as the finances continue to be that large, I don't think travel will be as much of an issue for the teams as a lot think. Fans may be a different story. When you can throw five in a car and drive 3-4 hours to get to a game is one thing. When you start having to purchasing 4-5 airline tickets, I don't think "regular" fans can afford that very often.

When I was in college at UTEP we were in the old, old WAC. 8 schools. In basketball, everyone had a "travel partner". Zona/AZ State, BYU/Utah, Colorado State/Wyoming and UTEP/New Mexico. Each team would play the other duos on a Thursday/Saturday swing just staying in the area. Played at Utah on Thursday, stay in the SLC area and play BYU on Saturday. When they'd come our way, BYU would play in El Paso Thursday and Albuquerque on Saturday. That Friday travel of 260 miless was the only onerous one. The other three were less than 100 miles.
 
CoalTrain said:
If/when this money that these schools are getting becomes legal to pay the best players to come to your school… they’ll be in another universe compared to staying in the PAC.

Also don’t be shocked to start seeing some of the conferences actually RETRACT and trim some of its “dead weight” programs or go join their own new conferences so the more desirable brands can keep even more money by selling the higher rated games (think eyeballs per game) to just play each other.

Ohio State
Michigan
Notre Dame
USC
Michigan State
Wisconsin
Penn State
Nebraska
Oregon
Washington

With a non conference game or two with SEC schools X and Y of similar ilk plus a CCG?

How much is that deal and how much per school?
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That war will be must see television right there.
 
Wild Turkey said:
My choice isn’t going to be what you’re thinking but Brett Yormark commissioner of the Big 12 going in early and beating the PAC to a network deal was absolutely brilliant. He tied up network budgets, gave schools hard numbers early and pulled the rug out from under the PAC. Granted he was helped by Oregon and Washington never intending to sign a GOR until they absolutely had to which scared networks off but it sometimes lucky pays off.

Yormark inherited probably the toughest situation in college football and bluffed his way into a solid 4th spot in conference rankings and playing the long game will eventually take the third. He also has built an extremely competitive basketball league with Kansas, Arizona, Baylor and Texas Tech with others like WV that have been historically good.

Securing that early network deal was the move of the decade.
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I think he backed his way into that one. USC and UCLA leaving was a death knell to the PAC
 
jontaejones said:
My point is I don't think anybody prefers the new alignment to the way things were.

But especially basketball fans.

It's all moves made about money with leaders that specialize in business transactions.
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Lot of people are speculating that the Big 12 will make a run at being the best BBall conference. I have rumors that Zags and Nova mya get a basketball only invite
 
Codaxx said:
I think he backed his way into that one. USC and UCLA leaving was a death knell to the PAC
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No thinking about it that he pulled a “Kramer” and walked back ass into it.

My point was he read the room brilliantly after the fact and beat the PAC to the contract. That was the move of the decade.
 
Codaxx said:
Lot of people are speculating that the Big 12 will make a run at being the best BBall conference. I have rumors that Zags and Nova mya get a basketball only invite
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Hard to get my head around if that actually works. For the Big 12 probably so but it makes life super difficult for Gonzaga and Villanova when it comes to their other sports and no conference affiliation.
 
Codaxx said:
Lot of people are speculating that the Big 12 will make a run at being the best BBall conference. I have rumors that Zags and Nova mya get a basketball only invite
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I heard Gonzaga and UConn.

Being the best basketball conference isn't worth much. Otherwise, more (any) of the moves would have been based off that.

Personally, I think they need to offer UConn a football spot, if not now, then in the future. If they do, UConn is gone. If they don't, they're probably better off where they are.

Gonzaga is in a position to be the premier destination for kids who want to stay closer to home and have their family go to more of the games. A lot of those kids are only going to spend a year in college anyway.

At this point, the Big 12 is lowballing teams and seeing who will bite.
 
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