Better Job: Arizona State or Nebraska?

[rsw626]

Don't act like you're not

 

[outofyourmind]

Don't act like you're not

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

you just stated 40% of the top 50 recruits are in the North. So why would you have to go to the South to get OL? Essentially with the 5 highest ranked recruits being in the North?

I can agree with the DL part, because DL comes down more to speed and agility -- you are going to get that more in the South. OL -- the Midwest is FILLED with corn fed farm boys who to toss around bales of hay all day and in the North, you don't need good weather to workout all year long.

Read deeper. If the 38% of the top 50, how many are staying home or going south? How many southern OL are going north. If you don't think you are disadvantaged in OL recruiting in the north based on what I showed you, you aren't good at math.

I mean 62% to 38% is bad enough. But when you dig deeper and see many of those northerners going south, the numbers get worse.

You need good weather to tell the big southern boys to go from Atlanta to Lincoln, or Ames, or Ann Harbor.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Read deeper. If the 38% of the top 50, how many are staying home or going south? How many southern OL are going north. If you don't think you are disadvantaged in OL recruiting in the north based on what I showed you, you aren't good at math.

I mean 62% to 38% is bad enough. But when you dig deeper and see many of those northerners going south, the numbers get worse.

You need good weather to tell the big southern boys to go from Atlanta to Lincoln, or Ames, or Ann Harbor.

Are you missing the fact that 4 of the top 7 schools for putting OL into the NFL are in the Midwest? Only ONE is from the South (Alabama). Michigan, Notre Dame, Wisconsin and Ohio State are all in the Midwest. Then you have a west coast school (USC) and southwest school (Oklahoma).

So if the South has this big advantage for OL -- explain how they are not dominating the list of schools by putting "big ol' southern boys" into the NFL? Or are you saying those southern recruits are all going to Midwest schools and that is how they are getting to the NFL?

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Are you missing the fact that 4 of the top 7 schools for putting OL into the NFL are in the Midwest? Only ONE is from the South (Alabama). Michigan, Notre Dame, Wisconsin and Ohio State are all in the Midwest. Then you have a west coast school (USC) and southwest school (Oklahoma).

So if the South has this big advantage for OL -- explain how they are not dominating the list of schools by putting "big ol' southern boys" into the NFL? Or are you saying those southern recruits are all going to Midwest schools and that is how they are getting to the NFL?

LOL ... no, I am not.

First, you magically only listed the top 7 of a top 10 list. Why did you not include all 10? Because the other 3 were southern schools - UF, FSU, and Texas. Really, you would do that to win an Internet argument?

Second I showed you this year's class, and I am not going to go back any further because I don't care that much. What I showed you was that of the top 50 OL 62% were from the south and they very largely stayed in the south. Of the 38% from the midwest and the north, a majority stayed at home or went south.

What is missing in all of this is the point that was being made - (1) the most talented OL are in the south, and (2) OL most often stay home for home schools, or go from the north to the south, meaning (3) my point that OL don't go from south to north is true. And that's a problem for Nebraska and other midwestern and northern schools.

Look at it this way. CFB talent has migrated south. This can't be denied. There are more talented OL in the south. That can't be argued - it's math. It's even worse when midwestern and northern OL move south at a much larger rate than southern OL move north. By a lot.

Face palm all you want, but you cherry picked a list, and then you ignore my post that proves you are wrong.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

LOL ... no, I am not.

First, you magically only listed the top 7 of a top 10 list. Why did you not include all 10? Because the other 3 were southern schools - UF, FSU, and Texas. Really, you would do that to win an Internet argument?

Second I showed you this year's class, and I am not going to go back any further because I don't care that much. What I showed you was that of the top 50 OL 62% were from the south and they very largely stayed in the south. Of the 38% from the midwest and the north, a majority stayed at home or went south.

What is missing in all of this is the point that was being made - (1) the most talented OL are in the south, and (2) OL most often stay home for home schools, or go from the north to the south, meaning (3) my point that OL don't go from south to north is true. And that's a problem for Nebraska and other midwestern and northern schools.

Look at it this way. CFB talent has migrated south. This can't be denied. There are more talented OL in the south. That can't be argued - it's math. It's even worse when midwestern and northern OL move south at a much larger rate than southern OL move north. By a lot.

Face palm all you want, but you cherry picked a list, and then you ignore my post that proves you are wrong.

I didn't cherry pick anything -- 6 of the top 7 schools for putting kids in the NFL are not located in the South. The only schools in the South in the top 10 are Bama, Florida and Florida State. That means -- 70% of the top 10 are schools OUTSIDE of the south. The location with the most top 10 schools is the Midwest with 40% of the top 10 and 4 of the top 7.

I showed you this year's class too. The #1, #2, #3, #4 and #5 recruit for OL in the class of 2023 are NOT from the South. And you keep talking about it being an issue for Midwest schools -- yet, the top Midwest schools are all located in the top 7 for putting OL into the NFL. And the #2 school overall is Wisconsin -- a state filled with those very same corn fed farm boys I talk about.

If you want to argue almost any other postion -- yes, the South has a big advantage. Why? Because the vast majority of elite skill position talent comes from the South. The last thing i'm worried about getting is an OL from the South. There is a never ending supply of corn fed giants in the Midwest.

 

[Hu War Yu]

We seem to have exhibited some thread drift here

Let's all get back to the topic from OP, that Nebraska is no longer a blue blood and is currently being compared to a midwestern version of Arizona State

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

We seem to have exhibited some thread drift here

Let's all get back to the topic from OP, that Nebraska is no longer a blue blood and is currently being compared to a midwestern version of Arizona State

Nebraska is still a blue blood, but in the current landscape of CFB, they won't ever be nationally elite. Their ceiling is that of Wisconsin/Iowa, where as in the 70's, 80's, 90's -- they were part of the elite.

 

[Hu War Yu]

Nebraska is still a blue blood, but in the current landscape of CFB, they won't ever be nationally elite. Their ceiling is that of Wisconsin/Iowa, where as in the 70's, 80's, 90's -- they were part of the elite.

Then why are they still considered a blue blood?

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I didn't cherry pick anything -- 6 of the top 7 schools for putting kids in the NFL are not located in the South. The only schools in the South in the top 10 are Bama, Florida and Florida State. That means -- 70% of the top 10 are schools OUTSIDE of the south. The location with the most top 10 schools is the Midwest with 40% of the top 10 and 4 of the top 7.

I showed you this year's class too. The #1, #2, #3, #4 and #5 recruit for OL in the class of 2023 are NOT from the South. And you keep talking about it being an issue for Midwest schools -- yet, the top Midwest schools are all located in the top 7 for putting OL into the NFL. And the #2 school overall is Wisconsin -- a state filled with those very same corn fed farm boys I talk about.

If you want to argue almost any other postion -- yes, the South has a big advantage. Why? Because the vast majority of elite skill position talent comes from the South. The last thing i'm worried about getting is an OL from the South. There is a never ending supply of corn fed giants in the Midwest.

I'm done ... you did cherry-pick... why else include only the top 7 of a top 10 list, when those three you just happened to exclude go against your argument? We both know that wasn't accidental. It was disingenuously done. As if I wouldn't look it up ... SMH.

And you've never addressed the detailed post that I made. I won't waste my time with someone who simply ignores the facts I have presented. I'm moving along.

 

[wazzu31]

I agree that the Pacific Islanders and the LDS members are the recruiting grounds for LOS in the west. There just isn't the number. Also, aren't those guys staying in the west, not going to freeze their asses off in Nebraska, for the most part?

I wasn't meaning Nebraska. Was just replying to the Oline and Dline. And how worse really is the weather in Nebraska vs Michigan, Indiana or Ohio for an Islander. Let alone Utah.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Then why are they still considered a blue blood?

Because the definition of blue blood doesn't mean you are currently elite. Blue blood status, by definition, is based on past success.

Outside of college sports, the term blue blood is often, maybe most often, used to describe families who were once wealthy, prominent, and influential, and no longer are. Like the Vanderbilts.

I dated a gal at and after Vandy for 4 years. The family was totally blue blood. There are counties, towns, and universities named after the family, and they were members of all the great clubs in Atlanta. She was a debutant at one of the most exclusive clubs in the south. Yet, the family didn't have a tenth of the wealth they had 50 - 100 years ago.

That's why Nebraska is a blue blood, and Miami, FSU, and Clemson are not. To keep our comparisons going, they would be deemed nouveau riche. UGA is kind of a tweener - most people don't see them as a blue blood (I don't), but they have 3 NCs, including one way back in the 40s.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Nebraska is still a blue blood, but in the current landscape of CFB, they won't ever be nationally elite. Their ceiling is that of Wisconsin/Iowa, where as in the 70's, 80's, 90's -- they were part of the elite.

This is correct, although I would have said "most likely won't ever." I never say never. If they get elite again, it will be an interesting phenomenon to study.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I wasn't meaning Nebraska. Was just replying to the Oline and Dline. And how worse really is the weather in Nebraska vs Michigan, Indiana or Ohio for an Islander. Let alone Utah.

Enough that kids from the deep south don't want to go there, for the most part.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

I'm done ... you did cherry-pick... why else include only the top 7 of a top 10 list, when those three you just happened to exclude go against your argument? We both know that wasn't accidental. It was disingenuously done. As if I wouldn't look it up ... SMH.

And you've never addressed the detailed post that I made. I won't waste my time with someone who simply ignores the facts I have presented. I'm moving along.

I put the top 7 because 4 of top 7 are Midwest Schools, when you are stating you have to recruit the South if you want an elite OL. That is how absolutely ridiculous your statement is.

And I'd move along too because you realize how silly your statement is.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I put the top 7 because 4 of top 7 are Midwest Schools, when you are stating you have to recruit the South if you want an elite OL. That is how absolutely ridiculous your statement is.

And I'd move along too because you realize how silly your statement is.

LOL ... you chose the top 7 because the next three cut against your argument. Admit, everyone else sees what you did.

Now, respond to this post that you have conveniently ignored - I wonder why - or STFU.

I am not saying there aren't good OL in the midwest. There just aren't as many and if you want to build the depth you need, you need to go to where they are. I will use your dataset but go a little deeper.

Top 50 OL in 247 composite for 2023:

- No. 1 player is a Pacific Islander, presumably, and he is playing in Florida (IMG), going to Miami.
- No. 2 player is from Iowa, going to Iowa.
- No. 3 player is from MA, going to Maimi.
- No. 4 player is from VA, going to PSU.
- No. 5 player is from Ohio going to tOSU.
- No. 6 player is from Illinois going to ND.
- No. 7 player is from LA, going to LSU.
- No. 8 player is from NJ, going to ATM.
- No. 9 player is from PA going to PSU.
- No. 10 player is from SC, going to UGA.

Do you see a trend here? Home state kids are staying home, or going south. There is no south > north movement in the top 10. Basically you have 5 northern guys staying home (I'm including VA > PSU in that), and then 5 southern or northern guys staying home or going south.

I assume we can agree that there are way more good OL in the south? No? Okay:

31 of the top 50 are from the south.

Of those from the non-south:
Pacific > Miami
IA > Iowa
MA > Miami
VA > PSU
OH > tOSU
IL > ND
NJ > ATM
PA > PSU
UT > Utah
MO > OU
CT > Bama
OH > tOSU
IL > Bama
OH > tOSU
MD > USCjr
DC > UM
MI > UM
HI > AZ
MO > Mizzou
MI > MSU

Basically, they are all staying home or going south. It's not a big sample set, but I am surprised to not see the Midwest/Northern guys move around in northern states. 8 of the 19 are headed south.

Now let's look at the 31 in the south:
NC > ND
AL > MSU
TX > Nebraska
AZ > ND
NC > ND
SC > Northwestern

6 of the 31 going north. Interestingly, 3 to ND, 1 to Northwestern - perhaps academics? And, ironically, 1 to Nebraska. All the rest are staying in the south.

Remember what the original point was ... that you need LOS to win big, and to do that you have to tap into the southern LOS. It's my belief it's really hard to get the southern OL to move to the north, and that a lot of that has to do with weather and ugly women. I think I have proven that there isn't a south > north migration of OL, and you agreed that was true with DL. What I didn't prove, and can't, is that it is due to weather. I suppose there could be other reasons, but I have seen weather come up in recruiting discussions. And, of course, I am kidding about the women.

 

[fishinabarrel]

Enough that kids from the deep south don't want to go there, for the most part.

Um, ten of Ohio States twenty person class is from the south for 2022. 10 of their 20 commits from 2023 are also from the south plus a Maryland in betweener. If you are good, kids will come play for you

 

[huskers1217]

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

LOL ... you chose the top 7 because the next three cut against your argument. Admit, everyone else sees what you did.

Now, respond to this post that you have conveniently ignored - I wonder why - or STFU.

I am not saying there aren't good OL in the midwest. There just aren't as many and if you want to build the depth you need, you need to go to where they are. I will use your dataset but go a little deeper.

Top 50 OL in 247 composite for 2023:

- No. 1 player is a Pacific Islander, presumably, and he is playing in Florida (IMG), going to Miami.
- No. 2 player is from Iowa, going to Iowa.
- No. 3 player is from MA, going to Maimi.
- No. 4 player is from VA, going to PSU.
- No. 5 player is from Ohio going to tOSU.
- No. 6 player is from Illinois going to ND.
- No. 7 player is from LA, going to LSU.
- No. 8 player is from NJ, going to ATM.
- No. 9 player is from PA going to PSU.
- No. 10 player is from SC, going to UGA.

Do you see a trend here? Home state kids are staying home, or going south. There is no south > north movement in the top 10. Basically you have 5 northern guys staying home (I'm including VA > PSU in that), and then 5 southern or northern guys staying home or going south.

I assume we can agree that there are way more good OL in the south? No? Okay:

31 of the top 50 are from the south.

Of those from the non-south:
Pacific > Miami
IA > Iowa
MA > Miami
VA > PSU
OH > tOSU
IL > ND
NJ > ATM
PA > PSU
UT > Utah
MO > OU
CT > Bama
OH > tOSU
IL > Bama
OH > tOSU
MD > USCjr
DC > UM
MI > UM
HI > AZ
MO > Mizzou
MI > MSU

Basically, they are all staying home or going south. It's not a big sample set, but I am surprised to not see the Midwest/Northern guys move around in northern states. 8 of the 19 are headed south.

Now let's look at the 31 in the south:
NC > ND
AL > MSU
TX > Nebraska
AZ > ND
NC > ND
SC > Northwestern

6 of the 31 going north. Interestingly, 3 to ND, 1 to Northwestern - perhaps academics? And, ironically, 1 to Nebraska. All the rest are staying in the south.

Remember what the original point was ... that you need LOS to win big, and to do that you have to tap into the southern LOS. It's my belief it's really hard to get the southern OL to move to the north, and that a lot of that has to do with weather and ugly women. I think I have proven that there isn't a south > north migration of OL, and you agreed that was true with DL. What I didn't prove, and can't, is that it is due to weather. I suppose there could be other reasons, but I have seen weather come up in recruiting discussions. And, of course, I am kidding about the women.

Exactly what states are you including in the "the south"? You put Texas as if Texas is part of the South. It is the Southwest. Or are you saying California is part of the Midwest, because they are in the West. Same with Oklahoma, same with Arizona. Or are you just inheriting all those states now and calling them the South?

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

LOL ... you chose the top 7 because the next three cut against your argument. Admit, everyone else sees what you did.

Now, respond to this post that you have conveniently ignored - I wonder why - or STFU.

I am not saying there aren't good OL in the midwest. There just aren't as many and if you want to build the depth you need, you need to go to where they are. I will use your dataset but go a little deeper.

Top 50 OL in 247 composite for 2023:

- No. 1 player is a Pacific Islander, presumably, and he is playing in Florida (IMG), going to Miami.
- No. 2 player is from Iowa, going to Iowa.
- No. 3 player is from MA, going to Maimi.
- No. 4 player is from VA, going to PSU.
- No. 5 player is from Ohio going to tOSU.
- No. 6 player is from Illinois going to ND.
- No. 7 player is from LA, going to LSU.
- No. 8 player is from NJ, going to ATM.
- No. 9 player is from PA going to PSU.
- No. 10 player is from SC, going to UGA.

Do you see a trend here? Home state kids are staying home, or going south. There is no south > north movement in the top 10. Basically you have 5 northern guys staying home (I'm including VA > PSU in that), and then 5 southern or northern guys staying home or going south.

I assume we can agree that there are way more good OL in the south? No? Okay:

31 of the top 50 are from the south.

Of those from the non-south:
Pacific > Miami
IA > Iowa
MA > Miami
VA > PSU
OH > tOSU
IL > ND
NJ > ATM
PA > PSU
UT > Utah
MO > OU
CT > Bama
OH > tOSU
IL > Bama
OH > tOSU
MD > USCjr
DC > UM
MI > UM
HI > AZ
MO > Mizzou
MI > MSU

Basically, they are all staying home or going south. It's not a big sample set, but I am surprised to not see the Midwest/Northern guys move around in northern states. 8 of the 19 are headed south.

Now let's look at the 31 in the south:
NC > ND
AL > MSU
TX > Nebraska
AZ > ND
NC > ND
SC > Northwestern

6 of the 31 going north. Interestingly, 3 to ND, 1 to Northwestern - perhaps academics? And, ironically, 1 to Nebraska. All the rest are staying in the south.

Remember what the original point was ... that you need LOS to win big, and to do that you have to tap into the southern LOS. It's my belief it's really hard to get the southern OL to move to the north, and that a lot of that has to do with weather and ugly women. I think I have proven that there isn't a south > north migration of OL, and you agreed that was true with DL. What I didn't prove, and can't, is that it is due to weather. I suppose there could be other reasons, but I have seen weather come up in recruiting discussions. And, of course, I am kidding about the women.

And I chose the top 7 because your argument was you had to recruit the south if you wanted elite OL -- 4 of the top 7 schools for putting players into the NFL are from the Midwest. So it blows up your entire argument.