Better pickup: SEC with OU and Texas or B1G with USC and UCLA

Thiefery said:
BTW @Tharvot you planning on going to both UT games (Columbus and Austin)?
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Definitely considering it. I was going to try to make the OU games a few years back but couldn't get it done. One of my good buddies is a life long UT fan so it might make for fun travel.
 
Thiefery said:
my friends ex wife went to oxford, and he attended the UT game back in 2011 or whenever it was.. he told me he had a terrific time there.. as far as MSU? yeah I'll leave that out.. but I gotta admit that Vandy is Vandy but I love Nashville. Reminds me a bit of Austin
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Yeah, heard the tailgate scene in Oxford is great. And Nashville is fun too for sure. There are definitely destination games in the B1G too. Go to the Northwestern or Rutgers games to have fun in Chicago or NYC for a weekend...maybe skip the game all together.
 
CoalTrain said:
I’m just talkin market, that’s Miami’s biggest attraction when it comes to expansion. BIg may try to get em as well, they have about 85% of the best markets already. It’s a pretty good argument that the SEC should get Miami just for another good market
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There are way more UF and FSU alum tham Miami in Metro Dade, so the SEC already has pretty much all of the Florida market.

Also, IMO the entire state of Texas market far outweighs the LA market.
 
rsw626 said:
There are way more UF and FSU alum tham Miami in Metro Dade, so the SEC already has pretty much all of the Florida market.

Also, IMO the entire state of Texas market far outweighs the LA market.
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Makes no difference, the BIG didn’t get Rutgers for the Ohio State alumni in NJ/NY Same with the SEC and Mizzu.
The networks want those markets more than the conferences do and they are the ones cutting the checks.
 
Tharvot said:
If we're talking on-field performance, then obviously the SEC got the better deal because OU has been a perennial playoff program and they've dominated the B12 since its inception. Texas and USC are a wash, both have been bang average or worse for a long time. UCLA's performance has been even worse than USC's.

If we are talking in terms of importance, then maybe the B1G has a better argument. Adding the 2 LA schools was certainly the more shocking development. With Texas and OU off the table, it looked like the B1G really didn't have any good options for expansion. People were looking southeast to the ACC. Virginia doesn't really move the needle, and UNC is only really good for basketball. There were also talks about adding Kansas and Iowa St. Pales in comparison to the SEC additions.

Suddenly now they added a blue blood program, maybe the most important TV market, and future expansion possibilities all along the west coast. Even talks of ND joining the fold have resurfaced. It is a massive power shift back in their favor.

IMO, there really is no clear cut winner between the 2 conferences. There are certainly losers in the PAC and B12 though. Both conferences are now without their premier brands and scrambling to see what they might be able to assemble in a "best of the rest" league.
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I think both won.

The B1G move comes with some expensive challenges but if USC wants in then you let them in.

Personally I don’t think ND is a great get from a power perspective because it’s not like they are going to start winning titles again but you can’t deny their ratings. So if you guys land ND then hats off great get and you helped close the gap.

Not going to lie there is a part of me that really wishes we could go back to 70s lineup with the SWC, Big 8, OG SEC, true Big 10 and PAC 10. That is when college football was CFB and we just needed a playoff.
 
Wild Turkey said:
I think both won.

The B1G move comes with some expensive challenges but if USC wants in then you let them in.

Personally I don’t think ND is a great get from a power perspective because it’s not like they are going to start winning titles again but you can’t deny their ratings. So if you guys land ND then hats off great get and you helped close the gap.

Not going to lie there is a part of me that really wishes we could go back to 70s lineup with the SWC, Big 8, OG SEC, true Big 10 and PAC 10. That is when college football was CFB and we just needed a playoff.
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nah man, fuck the SWC.. too many in state schools. It's great for nostalgia and all but that shit is too regional with just 2 states, one which sucks (arkansas) in producing state talent year after year.

Also it's toxic as shit.. you literally have had Gov of alumnis go after other schools politically. It's like GOT but at the capital. Tell me another state like that? CA has many schools as does FL.. bet it never gets nasty like that
 
OlyDuck said:
everyone keeps talking about the media market but if no one is watching what good does that do?
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From what I understand, they charge each subscriber whether they watch the game or not. So the cable companies charged all their subscribers in the NY/NJ/DC a fee for BTN when Rutgers and Maryland were invited.

Also, from what I understand, a lot of those "subscribers" are more and more becoming "cord cutters" and therefore dwindling in numbers.

You experts on this weigh in here. Did I get that right?
 
yeah i think you nailed it.. FOX leverages satellite/cable companies in those large markets to pay an extra dollar or two. Live sports is the only big thing that keeps cable companies alive. I know I still pay a lot for live games and for it to be broadcasted in real time, not 30 seconds behind.

I feel that the younger generation doesn't care enough about sports to do the same as they get older. It's gonna change
 
Thiefery said:
nah man, fuck the SWC.. too many in state schools. It's great for nostalgia and all but that shit is too regional with just 2 states, one which sucks (arkansas) in producing state talent year after year.

Also it's toxic as shit.. you literally have had Gov of alumnis go after other schools politically. It's like GOT but at the capital. Tell me another state like that? CA has many schools as does FL.. bet it never gets nasty like that
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Like this A&M Cheerleader turned guvnah?
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Thiefery said:
yeah i think you nailed it.. FOX leverages satellite/cable companies in those large markets to pay an extra dollar or two. Live sports is the only big thing that keeps cable companies alive. I know I still pay a lot for live games and for it to be broadcasted in real time, not 30 seconds behind.

I feel that the younger generation doesn't care enough about sports to do the same as they get older. It's gonna change
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My kids/grandkids are constantly telling me I'm wasting money on my cable package. I tell them if I had a techie kid living in the house that could navigate how to get all the stuff I wanted now I'd "cut the cord". So far only one of them has volunteered to be that techie kid and live with us .....but my daughter says no. So this technomoligical challenged old man is stuck.
 
Deep Creek said:
I remember that. I also go back to the 2003 legislative session with him. He showed his true colors on a lot of issues. But I'll stop with that since it belongs in the politics forum.
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just saying.. Texas politics with their alumni schools is ruthless. There's real hate between schools (UH-UT, Tech-aggy, TCU-Baylor, etc)
 
OlyDuck said:
everyone keeps talking about the media market but if no one is watching what good does that do?
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Because it turns the BigTen network to in market rather than out of market. So anyone who as a pet of their cable package, purchase an upgraded package that includes the BTN, it goes from costing roughly .35 to costing around 1.15 to the customer. People don’t need to watch, they just need to pay for a TV package that includes BTN.
 
7samurai13 said:
Because it turns the BigTen network to in market rather than out of market. So anyone who as a pet of their cable package, purchase an upgraded package that includes the BTN, it goes from costing roughly .35 to costing around 1.15 to the customer. People don’t need to watch, they just need to pay for a TV package that includes BTN.
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so if the LA people arent watching the games now what makes them pay more money to not watch? you really think the LA "fans" want to watch Rutgers vs Illinois mens gymnastics at 8 am Pacific
 
OlyDuck said:
so if the LA people arent watching the games now what makes them pay more money to not watch? you really think the LA "fans" want to watch Rutgers vs Illinois mens gymnastics at 8 am Pacific
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It doesn't matter. Cable is paid for as a package.

The only thing to consider is that Cable is slowly being replaced by streaming. It's not there yet but that's the direction we are heading in. Markets matter less for streaming and eyeballs matter more.
 
duckboy33 said:
It doesn't matter. Cable is paid for as a package.

The only thing to consider is that Cable is slowly being replaced by streaming. It's not there yet but that's the direction we are heading in. Markets matter less for streaming and eyeballs matter more.
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BTN isnt cable its in an extra package
 
Thiefery said:
yeah i think you nailed it.. FOX leverages satellite/cable companies in those large markets to pay an extra dollar or two. Live sports is the only big thing that keeps cable companies alive. I know I still pay a lot for live games and for it to be broadcasted in real time, not 30 seconds behind.

I feel that the younger generation doesn't care enough about sports to do the same as they get older. It's gonna change
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psst

There's still a delay on cable/satellite.

Go to ABC over the airwaves (antenna) and compare to cable/satellite. It's not as egregious as streaming but probably 15 seconds or so.

I know this because when I watch ABC games over the air while my buddy is watching on satellite and we're chatting over the phone. I'm always ahead of him.

However, when I'm streaming ESPN and he's watching on satellite, he's always ahead of me.
 
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