Big 12 thread

[Wild Turkey]

what hurts perception wise is that the Big 12 doesn't have 12 schools and two divisions.. If they were separated, it would help schools like Kansas rebuild quicker since they wouldn't play ou, UT, osu, TCU every year.
We had NE, MIzzu and aggy before.. what made those schools in the Big 12 so much better than it is now? NOTHING.. round robin schedule is great but you can hide warts with two separate divisions.

Although I'll admit with the round robin plus the CCG game.. It's going to be hard to ever not let a 1 loss Big12 team in the CFP. No other conference outside an occasional SEC CCG can put on a better game.

Right now the B12 is much stronger than the PAC and financially the PAC is a dumpster. You've got 4 teams you pick up and I would go after the Arizona schools, Utah and USC (USC being a private school would keep California politics out of it hopefully) and sink the PAC. To do it you will need to restructure your revenue share and understand that the current model is great for a few but kills your lower-tier schools.

If you were able to pull the above off it would give you two separate divisions, it would decimate the PAC and give the B12 negotiating power to kill it with the next network deal.

If the B12 doesn't make a move it's going to be difficult to keep up with the SEC and B1G on the revenue side. The SEC CBS deal ends in 2023 and they are going to make history again when they negotiate the next deal and they have the ratings to support it. The problem with the B12 is they don't have enough big games to generate the national interest week in and week out. As much as you want to pimp Texas vs TT it still isn't anything greater than Alabama vs Miss State in the scheme of things.

Texas needs to think long term because the LHN network deal isn't going to renew at the current terms and they aren't going to see that again.

 

[Wild Turkey]

Kansas basketball has value. They are blue blood in hoops and it isn’t debatable. They would fit with the Big or PAC..

I don't think the B1G would want Kansas for academics.
The PAC would definitely take them but who wants to be in that dumpster fire?

 

[Volbound1700]

Kansas basketball has value. They are blue blood in hoops and it isn’t debatable. They would fit with the Big or PAC..

Right now the B12 is much stronger than the PAC and financially the PAC is a dumpster. You've got 4 teams you pick up and I would go after the Arizona schools, Utah and USC (USC being a private school would keep California politics out of it hopefully) and sink the PAC. To do it you will need to restructure your revenue share and understand that the current model is great for a few but kills your lower-tier schools.

If you were able to pull the above off it would give you two separate divisions, it would decimate the PAC and give the B12 negotiating power to kill it with the next network deal.

If the B12 doesn't make a move it's going to be difficult to keep up with the SEC and B1G on the revenue side. The SEC CBS deal ends in 2023 and they are going to make history again when they negotiate the next deal and they have the ratings to support it. The problem with the B12 is they don't have enough big games to generate the national interest week in and week out. As much as you want to pimp Texas vs TT it still isn't anything greater than Alabama vs Miss State in the scheme of things.

Texas needs to think long term because the LHN network deal isn't going to renew at the current terms and they aren't going to see that again.

I will tell you what surprises me about the Pac12 is how bad they are in men's basketball as well. A league with UCLA (arguable the strongest bball program), Arizona, Stanford, and Utah has been largely irrelevant in basketball lately.

 

[Wild Turkey]

I will tell you what surprises me about the Pac12 is how bad they are in men's basketball as well. A league with UCLA (arguable the strongest bball program), Arizona, Stanford, and Utah has been largely irrelevant in basketball lately.

Oregon has been really good.

Arizona is probably the most overrated program year after year. In fact, I would put them in front of Georgia football as the most overrated college sports program over the last decade.

 

[occupant]

The sports monopolies and their greed started this mess.

When you have whole conferences that get their games pushed from prime time week after week, what do you expect to happen?

OU's been in the playoff how many times now and can't get out of the 11 a.m. timeslot unless there is a threat of them being upset. THAT RIGHT THERE is pretty fucked up if you think about it. Perennial top 4 team plays while you have your breakfast. The RRSO and Big XII CCG at 11 a.m.?

Yeah I get TV sets and eyeballs and all that....but when you had limited media and everyone had more of an even playing field in regards to exposure, CFB was WAY better. When you have monopolies "protecting their investments" amateur athletics as a whole are doomed.

 

[Wild Turkey]

The sports monopolies and their greed started this mess.

When you have whole conferences that get their games pushed from prime time week after week, what do you expect to happen?

OU's been in the playoff how many times now and can't get out of the 11 a.m. timeslot unless there is a threat of them being upset. THAT RIGHT THERE is pretty fucked up if you think about it. Perennial top 4 team plays while you have your breakfast. The RRSO and Big XII CCG at 11 a.m.?

Yeah I get TV sets and eyeballs and all that....but when you had limited media and everyone had more of an even playing field in regards to exposure, CFB was WAY better. When you have monopolies "protecting their investments" amateur athletics as a whole are doomed.

OU can’t get a prime time games because the competition in your conference sucks and no one wants to see them play TT, ISU, KSU, Kansas if we are being honest the Baylor or TCU games haven’t really moved the needle.

You aren’t playing Nebraska, Colorado and aTm in their prime anymore and people don’t want to watch crap.

 

[Codaxx]

I will tell you what surprises me about the Pac12 is how bad they are in men's basketball as well. A league with UCLA (arguable the strongest bball program), Arizona, Stanford, and Utah has been largely irrelevant in basketball lately.

I have been arguing on UCLA for years. Their success is largely tied to a single coach and the administration just doesn’t love sports. If there was a basketball school that I would kick out of the blue blood club it would be UCLA

 

[Codaxx]

I don't think the B1G would want Kansas for academics.
The PAC would definitely take them but who wants to be in that dumpster fire?

They took Nebraska, so I am not sure this high academic bar is actually a thing

 

[Volbound1700]

Oregon has been really good.

Arizona is probably the most overrated program year after year. In fact, I would put them in front of Georgia football as the most overrated college sports program over the last decade.

Arizona won a National Title and has been to Final Fours.

 

[Volbound1700]

I don't think the B1G would want Kansas for academics.
The PAC would definitely take them but who wants to be in that dumpster fire?

The Pac would be less of a dumpster fire if they had Oklahoma and Texas. However, that is a lot of travel. I think West Virginia is hurt by all of their traveling.

I don't understand the panic by many of the other Big12 teams. It is not like Iowa State, Kansas, Baylor, TCU, etc, are going to win a title. They would be better off without OU/Texas competing to be the next UCF/Boise State. Also a Big12 without OU and Texas would still be a great basketball conference.

 

[Goldbug]

In my perfect world West Virginia gets a spot in the ACC where they would do well and they're a better geographic fit for rivalries and lower travel expenses. Baylor goes to hell. Arizona, Arizona State, UCLA and USC join the Big XII and then we set up two divisions. OU and Texas would be in different divisions but play every year. If teams can travel to Morgantown they can darn sure travel to Los Angeles. Plus the recruiting potential would improve for the entire conference. I'm a believer that USC, UCLA, Arizona and Arizona State would benefit too in the long run.

OU
Oklahoma State
USC
UCLA
Texas Tech
Texas Christian
_____________________
Texas
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Arizona
Arizona State

 

[Thiefery]

OU can’t get a prime time games because the competition in your conference sucks and no one wants to see them play TT, ISU, KSU, Kansas if we are being honest the Baylor or TCU games haven’t really moved the needle.

You aren’t playing Nebraska, Colorado and aTm in their prime anymore and people don’t want to watch crap.

lol outside maybe Nebraska were people really clamoring for ou vs co or aggy? They hate the Noon time kickoffs but in case they haven't figured it out, they likely would be playing at noon even in the BIG.. Fox has used that slot to put in it's marquee game.. hell they were getting better numbers at noon than most of it's prime time games.

I don't get some ou fans, they cry about the conference being second rate for the way they get treated.. they whine about the early kickoff games, they whine about how the conference scheduled them this season despite everyone playing everyone.

How quickly they forgot how the conference set them up with never playing back to back true road games for the past 5 seasons or so... Or the fact that the conference refs refuse to call holding when they play.

But hell man, maybe the BIG will be a better situation of the fans at ou, seems like Nebraska is happy there.. Or ask Co how much better things have been once they went to it's more suitable conference. Or maybe aggy, who can now promote a better conference despite fielding the same results... Or maybe be a Mizzu who won the East title a couple times.

 

[Wild Turkey]

lol outside maybe Nebraska were people really clamoring for ou vs co or aggy? They hate the Noon time kickoffs but in case they haven't figured it out, they likely would be playing at noon even in the BIG.. Fox has used that slot to put in it's marquee game.. hell they were getting better numbers at noon than most of it's prime time games.

I don't get some ou fans, they cry about the conference being second rate for the way they get treated.. they whine about the early kickoff games, they whine about how the conference scheduled them this season despite everyone playing everyone.

How quickly they forgot how the conference set them up with never playing back to back true road games for the past 5 seasons or so... Or the fact that the conference refs refuse to call holding when they play.

But hell man, maybe the BIG will be a better situation of the fans at ou, seems like Nebraska is happy there.. Or ask Co how much better things have been once they went to it's more suitable conference. Or maybe aggy, who can now promote a better conference despite fielding the same results... Or maybe be a Mizzu who won the East title a couple times.

Out of the top 10 highest-rated college football regular-season games last year the B12 had two games listed:

Number 8 - Texas vs OU 7.25 million (Army vs Navy did better at 7)
Number 6 - Texas vs LSU 8.63 million

Auburn vs LSU pulled 7.18 million about what the RRR did.
Auburn vs Alabama pulled 12.42 million which is over 5 million more views than the RRR.
Alabama vs LSU pulled 16.42 million which is almost twice what Texas pulled playing LSU.

If Texas hadn't played LSU and gotten the cross-conference bump you would have had one game in the top 10. The Big 12 has a rating problem and needs games like:

Oklahoma vs Nebraska
Texas vs aTm

 

[Thiefery]

In my perfect world West Virginia gets a spot in the ACC where they would do well and they're a better geographic fit for rivalries and lower travel expenses. Baylor goes to hell. Arizona, Arizona State, UCLA and USC join the Big XII and then we set up two divisions. OU and Texas would be in different divisions but play every year. If teams can travel to Morgantown they can darn sure travel to Los Angeles. Plus the recruiting potential would improve for the entire conference. I'm a believer that USC, UCLA, Arizona and Arizona State would benefit too in the long run.

OU
Oklahoma State
USC
UCLA
Texas Tech
Texas Christian
_____________________
Texas
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Arizona
Arizona State

If they merged or if the Big 12 actually tried to poach the Pac.. WV could still have a spot if the ACC doesn't come through for them.

SC, AZ, ASU, Tech, utes, bu, UT
ou, osu, tcu, ksu, ku. isu, wv

You obviously have to do a permanent cross over with UT/ou, tcu/bu... maybe each school could do one..If not with 9 conf games, everyone should play every 3 seasons

 

[Thiefery]

Out of the top 10 highest-rated college football regular-season games last year the B12 had two games listed:

Number 8 - Texas vs OU 7.25 million (Army vs Navy did better at 7)
Number 6 - Texas vs LSU 8.63 million

Auburn vs LSU pulled 7.18 million about what the RRR did.
Auburn vs Alabama pulled 12.42 million which is over 5 million more views than the RRR.
Alabama vs LSU pulled 16.42 million which is almost twice what Texas pulled playing LSU.

If Texas hadn't played LSU and gotten the cross-conference bump you would have had one game in the top 10. The Big 12 has a rating problem and needs games like:

Oklahoma vs Nebraska
Texas vs aTm

it was week 7 with ut vs ou and it beat every game that weekend.
UT vs LSU also beat everyone that weekend

ou vs bu in wk 12 beat au vs uga in ratings (also every other game that weekend)

neb highest rated game was vs tosu with 6.14 in wk 5.. the next highest? vs CO wk 2 with 3.45 mil

With the noon slots tosu killed everyone with games vs psu and um in those weeks.

and go figure undefeated LSU team pulled in numbers vs undefeated bama? Say it ain't so!!!

 

[Goldbug]

I'll go out on a limb and predict Oklahoma will never join the B1G. Forget academics as the excuse. Whether we got an exemption or we managed to become affiliated with the AAU the Okies don't want any part of playing up north. I've talked to hundreds of OU fans who shudder at the thought of joining the B1G. We'd choose either the SEC or the Pac 12 if there had to be a change. However, the preference is to juice up the strength of the Big XII but that may be the longest shot of all unless we could raid the West Coast.

 

[Volbound1700]

I'll go out on a limb and predict Oklahoma will never join the B1G. Forget academics as the excuse. Whether we got an exemption or we managed to become affiliated with the AAU the Okies don't want any part of playing up north. I've talked to hundreds of OU fans who shudder at the thought of joining the B1G. We'd choose either the SEC or the Pac 12 if there had to be a change. However, the preference is to juice up the strength of the Big XII but that may be the longest shot of all unless we could raid the West Coast.

BYU and Cincinnati are the best options for the Big12 to pick up and both would join the Big12.

 

[Thiefery]

BYU and Cincinnati are the best options for the Big12 to pick up and both would join the Big12.

LOL they are better off staying as is than adding BYU or Cincy

 

[Volbound1700]

LOL they are better off staying as is than adding BYU or Cincy

Both are ranked right now. They add jew regions. Cincy also closes the gap with West Virginia.

 

[Thiefery]

Both are ranked right now. They add jew regions. Cincy also closes the gap with West Virginia.

so being ranked is now the criteria? Do not worry about BYU no playing on Sundays? Don't worry about bringing in ANOTHER religious school into the conference?