Big 12 thread

Volbound1700 said:
Also the NFL is just as bad. Why does the AFC South have the Indianapolis Colts instead of the Miami Dolphins for example?

NFL could do more geography. I would love seeing the Titans play the Falcons, Saints, Panthers, and Bucs more often. We could combine all of them with the Titans, Jaguars, Texas, and Dolphins to form the SEC of the NFL.
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There is a difference. NFL considered rivalries and history when it realigned the divisions. College has gone out of its way to destroy rivalry games that were good for the game
 
Deep Creek said:
I still think there should be football only conferences. Travel is more of a problem for the other sports IMO. I mean, WVU and Texas Tech only have to travel once every other year to Morgantown or Lubbock. Both basketball teams have to go every year.
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It’s really tough to do that though. WVU will never be Notre Dame. Conferences aren’t going to want WVU for everything except football. I absolutely agree with the premise and thinking of that but it’s just tough to convince a conference to include a school for everything except the thing that makes the most money.
 
ralphiewvu said:
It’s really tough to do that though. WVU will never be Notre Dame. Conferences aren’t going to want WVU for everything except football. I absolutely agree with the premise and thinking of that but it’s just tough to convince a conference to include a school for everything except the thing that makes the most money.
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I agree. But they'll take any pile of shit as long as it is wrapped in enough benjamins. Example 1-A is Rutgers. That addition really helped the quality of B1G football.
 
Thiefery said:
what hurts perception wise is that the Big 12 doesn't have 12 schools and two divisions.. If they were separated, it would help schools like Kansas rebuild quicker since they wouldn't play ou, UT, osu, TCU every year.
We had NE, MIzzu and aggy before.. what made those schools in the Big 12 so much better than it is now? NOTHING.. round robin schedule is great but you can hide warts with two separate divisions.

Although I'll admit with the round robin plus the CCG game.. It's going to be hard to ever not let a 1 loss Big12 team in the CFP. No other conference outside an occasional SEC CCG can put on a better game.
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Iowa State has done better since the Big Xii has gone to the 10 team 9 game round-robin schedule. Just an oddity, I guess, but I like Iowa State's chances better now than in the Divisional days.
 
Codaxx said:
Rest of the league is second tier state schools and private schools. It is bad recipe for prolonged success
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You can kick Iowa State in the sports groin if you like, but they are a Major Research University and a member of the AAU (KU and Texas are the only other two AAU schools in the conference).
 
78Cyclones said:
You can kick Iowa State in the sports groin if you like, but they are a Major Research University and a member of the AAU (KU and Texas are the only other two AAU schools in the conference).
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Kansas is a poor school academically. At least according to @Wild Turkey!
 
Wild Turkey said:
US News and World Report

What would you use?
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I personally don't buy into any of those "ratings" as many are prestigous by name and perception only.

As a public school administrator, I had former students attend schools from Stanford/Rice/Ivy League all the way to small little known schools. What I listen to the most is what those students reported back to us after they'd been there a couple of years. Several reported back that a lot of the reputation was a bunch of hype. Others that are perceived "lower" are actually damn good academically. The two that really stuck with me were students we sent to Columbia and Yale. Both said about half the students were great students and the others were mediocre at best...and got admitted only because of donor lineage. But hey, perception is Columbia and Yale are top notch. An excpetion we heard about was MIT. It seems they don't bend to alumni money.

But the PAC 12 and B1G brethren throw the AAU status as the measuring stick. Others use endowment size and amount of research dollars they receive.
 
Deep Creek said:
I personally don't buy into any of those "ratings" as many are prestigous by name and perception only.

As a public school administrator, I had former students attend schools from Stanford/Rice/Ivy League all the way to small little known schools. What I listen to the most is what those students reported back to us after they'd been there a couple of years. Several reported back that a lot of the reputation was a bunch of hype. Others that are perceived "lower" are actually damn good academically. The two that really stuck with me were students we sent to Columbia and Yale. Both said about half the students were great students and the others were mediocre at best...and got admitted only because of donor lineage. But hey, perception is Columbia and Yale are top notch. An excpetion we heard about was MIT. It seems they don't bend to alumni money.

But the PAC 12 and B1G brethren throw the AAU status as the measuring stick. Others use endowment size and amount of research dollars they receive.
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What you're saying is that you can get a quality education at a lot of places and that's true.

However there has to be a measuring stick and USN&WR has been a reliable standard for a long time. They take their metrics seriously and have been consistent in their rankings.

I'm comfortable using them. AAU doesn't hold the esteem it used to and a lot of universities don't bother because of the hoops.
 
Codaxx said:
There is a difference. NFL considered rivalries and history when it realigned the divisions. College has gone out of its way to destroy rivalry games that were good for the game
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Yeah NFL really keep Titans rivalries in mind when they moved us away from our two historic rivals the Steelers and Ravens. We never played the Colts and the Texans were a new program at the time the new division was formed.
 
Kansas is an AAU school, that alone would give them consideration in the BIG, then you add it's Basketball history. The word that was a big reason why Nebraska was admitted in was because of it's AAU status which ironically it's new partners decided to vote against them to stay as an AAU school. Guess who voted for them to keep it? Mean ol Texas.
 
Volbound1700 said:
Yeah NFL really keep Titans rivalries in mind when they moved us away from our two historic rivals the Steelers and Ravens. We never played the Colts and the Texans were a new program at the time the new division was formed.
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I was cool with that once they took the titans from Houston. I also thought that Houston should have kept the oilers name as well.. Texans is stupid
 
Wild Turkey said:
What you're saying is that you can get a quality education at a lot of places and that's true.

However there has to be a measuring stick and USN&WR has been a reliable standard for a long time. They take their metrics seriously and have been consistent in their rankings.

I'm comfortable using them. AAU doesn't hold the esteem it used to and a lot of universities don't bother because of the hoops.
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You nailed it.

But there really doesn't have to be a measuring stick for something that can't be precisely measured. It isn't an exact science to rate them and it can't be. The criteria they choose to use to develop that measuring stick can be subjective and unduly influenced one way or another...even if the intent is noble. It is just human nature for that to creep into such.
 
Deep Creek said:
You nailed it.

But there really doesn't have to be a measuring stick for something that can't be precisely measured. It isn't an exact science to rate them and it can't be. The criteria they choose to use to develop that measuring stick can be subjective and unduly influenced one way or another...even if the intent is noble. It is just human nature for that to creep into such.
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Yeah there does otherwise everyone just gets a participation trophy.
 
Thiefery said:
it was week 7 with ut vs ou and it beat every game that weekend.
UT vs LSU also beat everyone that weekend

ou vs bu in wk 12 beat au vs uga in ratings (also every other game that weekend)

neb highest rated game was vs tosu with 6.14 in wk 5.. the next highest? vs CO wk 2 with 3.45 mil

With the noon slots tosu killed everyone with games vs psu and um in those weeks.

and go figure undefeated LSU team pulled in numbers vs undefeated bama? Say it ain't so!!!
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