CFP Rankings Nov. 15

Actually it seems like we are supposed to believe that Florida and Auburn would had been nationally relevant every year the last decade if they played in any conference outside of the SEC. Amusing.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
His logic seems to be that nobody should dog on Florida for being nothing more than ok-average the last decade because of theirI success 15+ years ago. We are just supposed to ignore not so great results of late for them and Auburn and RESPECT! Lmao.
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I just don't see his logic. Florida has had 5 different coaches since 2008. That should tell him right there that Florida has struggled. And Auburn has averaged like 5 losses a year for the last 10 years -- is that a top program?!?
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
I just don't see his logic. Florida has had 5 different coaches since 2008. That should tell him right there that Florida has struggled. And Auburn has averaged like 5 losses a year for the last 10 years -- is that a top program?!?
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He thinks because "THEY HAVE TO PLAY UGA AND BAMA EVERY" It means they would win like 10+ games every year if they played in any other conference.

They don't play Bama every year though, in Florida's case.
 
Let's examine Florida's 4+ loss seasons this last decade

2021 - 7 losses
Alabama
Kentucky
LSU
Georgia
South Carolina
Missouri
UCF

2020 - 4 losses
Texas A&M
LSU (a 5-5 team)
Alabama
Oklahoma

2017 - 7 losses
Michigan
LSU
Texas A&M
Georgia
Missouri
South Carolina
Florida State

2014 - 5 losses
Alabama
LSU
Missouri
South Carolina
Florida State

2013 - 8 losses
Miami
LSU
Missouri
Georgia
Vanderbilt
South Carolina
Georgia Southern
Florida State

I'm not seeing here where they for sure are better if they play in any other conference here.

Lots of losses to Missouri and South Carolina type teams.

I guess maybe you could claim 2020. But they still did lose to a very mediocre 5-5 LSU team at home.

Just replace Bama & UGA with whatever the top 2 teams are in the other conferences and Florida these years doesnt likely beat them either
 
It's not like Florida and Auburns only losses every year are like 3 point losses to Bama & UGA. That's what it's being made out to be In the "THEYD SWEEP THE BIG 10 EVERY YEAR!" type arguments.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Let's examine Florida's 4+ loss seasons this last decade

2021 - 7 losses
Alabama
Kentucky
LSU
Georgia
South Carolina
Missouri
UCF

2020 - 4 losses
Texas A&M
LSU (a 5-5 team)
Alabama
Oklahoma

2017 - 7 losses
Michigan
LSU
Texas A&M
Georgia
Missouri
South Carolina
Florida State

2014 - 5 losses
Alabama
LSU
Missouri
South Carolina
Florida State

2013 - 8 losses
Miami
LSU
Missouri
Georgia
Vanderbilt
South Carolina
Georgia Southern
Florida State

I'm not seeing here where they for sure are better if they play in any other conference here.

Lots of losses to Missouri and South Carolina type teams.

I guess maybe you could claim 2020. But they still did lose to a very mediocre 5-5 LSU team at home.

Just replace Bama & UGA with whatever the top 2 teams are in the other conferences and Florida these years doesnt likely beat them either
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Great now do Michigan and Ohio State.
 
Ohio State vs. SEC

Last time against Alabama 24-52 (ouch) in 2021 (even Auburn, Florida, and LSU all did better against Alabama that year, kind of doesn't help your argument)
Last time against Florida 17-24 in Jacksonville (Ohio State is 0-2 all-time against Florida)
Last time against LSU 24-38 in 2007 National Title game
Last time against Auburn 14-31
Last time against Tennessee 14-20
Last time against Georgia 14-21

Ohio State is 1-4 against Alabama, 0-2 against Florida, 1-1 against LSU, 0-1-1 against Auburn, 0-1 against Tennessee, 0-1 against Georgia.

That is a combined 2-10-1 against the upper echelon of the SEC. Yikes.
 
Volbound1700 said:
Ohio State vs. SEC

Last time against Alabama 24-52 (ouch) in 2021 (even Auburn, Florida, and LSU all did better against Alabama that year, kind of doesn't help your argument)
Last time against Florida 17-24 in Jacksonville (Ohio State is 0-2 all-time against Florida)
Last time against LSU 24-38 in 2007 National Title game
Last time against Auburn 14-31
Last time against Tennessee 14-20
Last time against Georgia 14-21

Ohio State is 1-4 against Alabama, 0-2 against Florida, 1-1 against LSU, 0-1-1 against Auburn, 0-1 against Tennessee, 0-1 against Georgia.

That is a combined 2-10-1 against the upper echelon of the SEC. Yikes.
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WHEN were the games -- that'd be much more telling than the results. OSU didn't recruit like they have since Urban Meyer was HC. He has taken them from a team who recruits like Michigan (bringing in mostly top 10 classes with top 20 mixed in) to recruiting like Bama and now Georgia (bringing in top 5 recruiting classes essentially every year)

Here are the recruiting classes OSU has brought in since Meyer.

2022 #4 nationally
2021 #2 nationally
2020 #5 nationally
2019 #14 nationally -- Meyer retired, was a really small class. Still had Garrett Wilson, Jameson Williams, Cade Stover, etc.
2018 #2 nationally
2017 #2 nationally
2016 #4 nationally
2015 #6 nationally
2014 #3 nationally
2013 #2 nationally
2012 #5 nationally
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
WHEN were the games -- that'd be much more telling than the results. OSU didn't recruit like they have since Urban Meyer was HC. He has taken them from a team who recruits like Michigan (bringing in mostly top 10 classes with top 20 mixed in) to recruiting like Bama and now Georgia (bringing in top 5 recruiting classes essentially every year)

Here are the recruiting classes OSU has brought in since Meyer.

2022 #4 nationally
2021 #2 nationally
2020 #5 nationally
2019 #14 nationally -- Meyer retired, was a really small class. Still had Garrett Wilson, Jameson Williams, Cade Stover, etc.
2018 #2 nationally
2017 #2 nationally
2016 #4 nationally
2015 #6 nationally
2014 #3 nationally
2013 #2 nationally
2012 #5 nationally
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Ohio States' best team was in 2002. Their run in the early 2000s was just as impressive as recent history. Their best team was in 2014 and it had a loss at home to 6-6 Virginia Tech.

Trolling aside, Michigan and Ohio State are solid programs but so are Auburn, Florida, and LSU. SEC has more solid programs than B1G but B1G has some good ones too (I would also call Penn State a solid program).
 
Volbound1700 said:
Ohio States' best team was in 2002. Their run in the early 2000s was just as impressive as recent history. Their best team was in 2014 and it had a loss at home to 6-6 Virginia Tech.

Trolling aside, Michigan and Ohio State are solid programs but so are Auburn, Florida, and LSU. SEC has more solid programs than B1G but B1G has some good ones too (I would also call Penn State a solid program).
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OSU's best team they lost to Michigan State in a game played in the cold, wind and rain. That team was their best IMO. They had 6 1st round picks I think -- Joey Bosa, Ezekiel Elliott, Eli Apple, Michael Thomas, Taylor Decker. I think there was one more, but can't think of the name. Devin Smith maybe?

Early 2000's were very good for OSU, but nothing like the last decade for them. All you have to do is look at the recruiting for them, Urban did that for them and Day has kept it going. It is why I don't expect UM to continue to hang with them, because we don't recruit like OSU.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
OSU's best team they lost to Michigan State in a game played in the cold, wind and rain. That team was their best IMO. They had 6 1st round picks I think -- Joey Bosa, Ezekiel Elliott, Eli Apple, Michael Thomas, Taylor Decker. I think there was one more, but can't think of the name. Devin Smith maybe?

Early 2000's were very good for OSU, but nothing like the last decade for them. All you have to do is look at the recruiting for them, Urban did that for them and Day has kept it going. It is why I don't expect UM to continue to hang with them, because we don't recruit like OSU.
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You say that but results matter.

Ohio State won a National Title in 2002 and played in the title game in 2006 and 2007. They haven't come close to that in the run from 2012-2022 that you post.
 
Volbound1700 said:
Ohio States' best team was in 2002. Their run in the early 2000s was just as impressive as recent history. Their best team was in 2014 and it had a loss at home to 6-6 Virginia Tech.

Trolling aside, Michigan and Ohio State are solid programs but so are Auburn, Florida, and LSU. SEC has more solid programs than B1G but B1G has some good ones too (I would also call Penn State a solid program).
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Ohio State in the 2000s under tressel we’re good but those teams usually had nowhere near the talent level we have now. They recruited good but it was a lot more Ohio focused and not as nationally spread. Most of those classes fail in comparisons to the ones we pull now
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
WHEN were the games -- that'd be much more telling than the results. OSU didn't recruit like they have since Urban Meyer was HC. He has taken them from a team who recruits like Michigan (bringing in mostly top 10 classes with top 20 mixed in) to recruiting like Bama and now Georgia (bringing in top 5 recruiting classes essentially every year)

Here are the recruiting classes OSU has brought in since Meyer.

2022 #4 nationally
2021 #2 nationally
2020 #5 nationally
2019 #14 nationally -- Meyer retired, was a really small class. Still had Garrett Wilson, Jameson Williams, Cade Stover, etc.
2018 #2 nationally
2017 #2 nationally
2016 #4 nationally
2015 #6 nationally
2014 #3 nationally
2013 #2 nationally
2012 #5 nationally
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A good chunk of those were under John Cooper in the 90s who was a black hole in any big game. Not just against SEC teams
 
Volbound1700 said:
You say that but results matter.

Ohio State won a National Title in 2002 and played in the title game in 2006 and 2007. They haven't come close to that in the run from 2012-2022 that you post.
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That's because you didn't have the CFP. The CFP is the game changer. It stopped being, advance to the national championship game and instead makes team win 2 games to win a title.

In the final AP poll since 2012, they have finished 3, 12, 1, 4, 5, 5, 3, 3, 2, 6. OSU had some very good teams under Tressell, but the talent wasn't the same as the talent they are getting now.
 
Deep Creek said:
I can see two firsts here. LSU can be the first two loss team in the CFP and the SEC can be the first conference to have three teams in the CFP. The SEC CCG very well could have an impact on every other conferences' chances of getting a team in the CFP....sans the B1G. They probably get a team in even if the East winner craps the bed in the CCG.
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I argued LSU and got raked over the coals. They won't beat my Dawgs, but if they did I think they are in. Most of the talking heads think so, FWIW.

Volbound1700 Playoff Watch - Week 8

Yes -- they absolutely have a shot, if Georgia isn't there. And yes, they all laughed. I actually felt bad for Oregon fans after seeing them react like that, because they all laughed. It's the opposite. Assuming UGA continues to roll, the margin of the loss to Georgia won't matter much when...
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Volbound1700 said:
Going back to the LSU vs. Tennessee discussion (which is probably silly because LSU will likely lose to Georgia),

I have more concerns of a 11-1 B1G team or Clemson/USC passing up Tennessee than I do 11-2 LSU. I mean I guess it is possible but I think Tennessee's 40-13 win over LSU is hard to ignore.
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Yes, LSU will likely lose to Georgia
If LSU ends up 11-2, that loss will be easy to ignore
Volbound1700 said:
As I am saying, most the media tends to not like LSU's chances even if they win out right now.
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If LSU wins out, they will have beaten the CFP's #1 ranked team AND will be the SEC Champion. The SEC champion will NOT be left out of the playoffs. They'll tell Tennessee to go pick up pine cones.
osubuckeye89 said:
Problem is LSU beating #1 UGA in the SECCG would be much more fresher in the heads of people than Tennessee's W over LSU on October 8th.
Fair or not when wins and losses happen do go into the equation.
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NewPhoneWhoDis said:
That's because you didn't have the CFP. The CFP is the game changer. It stopped being, advance to the national championship game and instead makes team win 2 games to win a title.

In the final AP poll since 2012, they have finished 3, 12, 1, 4, 5, 5, 3, 3, 2, 6. OSU had some very good teams under Tressell, but the talent wasn't the same as the talent they are getting now.
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It was even HARDER for Ohio State before playoff because they had to be in top 2 to make title game. Ohio State has only finished in top 2 twice since playoff (2014 and 2021). I don't have time to do this but I would love to see a print out of schedules and AP top 10 finishes because I guarantee you Jim Tressel's Ohio State teams were just as good if not better in final rankings.
 
Jon Deaux said:
Yes, LSU will likely lose to Georgia
If LSU ends up 11-2, that loss will be easy to ignore

If LSU wins out, they will have beaten the CFP's #1 ranked team AND will be the SEC Champion. The SEC champion will NOT be left out of the playoffs. They'll tell Tennessee to go pick up pine cones.

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I am not confident it happens. I think a 1-loss USC team will jump Tennessee but I am not sure about LSU. There is also precedence with an 11-1 Ohio State going over an 11-2 Penn State. A lot in media also agree.

Scenario probably won't happen but it would be interesting.

Funny thing is if Tennessee is called "Alabama", they would be a lock right now.
 
Truth is though, Tennessee still needs to beat South Carolina and Vandy. I know it looks good to win but stranger things have happened.
 
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