Coach Prime did the impossible!!!

osubuckeye89 said:
They weren't really competitive against UCLA either, that game was 28-9 but felt a lot worse, Colorado scored a trash TD with like 2 minutes left to make it look more respectable than it was.

I'll give them credit for fighting against USC but that game was a complete blowout until USC seemingly just stopped caring late in the 4th quarter.

It was going to be hard not to be improved from that wreck that they had going on last year. Deion got enough from his QB and WR portal additions but they weren't close to legit contending like some wanted to pretend at points.
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UCLA played like shit that game, too. I almost went to Pasadena for that game and was so glad I chose not to because neither team showed much of anything, especially Colorado.
 
ericd7633 said:
What they've done the prior decade doesn't really mean much in year one, when taking over what he took over. I don't really care what happens to Colorado, and if it ends up in a dumpster fire ill laugh my ass off with everyone else. But he did improve this team from what they were last season. It doesn't mean they were good, it doesn't mean they were avg, but they were better and more competitive.
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You are literally saying that it's best to compare this year to a single year instead of 10 years in order to set the threshold that Deon should meet. That makes no sense unless you simply are trying to prop up what he did for whatever reason. Taking a 10-year average shows what the program is capable of doing across a broad spectrum of schedules, coaches, players, etc. It inherently establishes what an average year has been like at Colorado, and therefore is the baseline against which you would compare the new coach. If the new coach simply does what has been done in average years in the past it was a bad hire. How much more he has to win to determine if a coach is successful is then dictated by the program's expectations.

It's even more disingenuous to say that he took a 1-11 squad to 4-8. He actually didn't do that. He brought in a brand new squad and took it to 4-8. To say he took a 1-11 squad to 4-8 is trying to make it look like he is some great developer of players. You could look at the NW coach and say he did that ... he was playing with the same team and did better. It kind of makes you wonder if Fitzgerald at NW had reached his limits. What the new coach did at NW is way more impressive than what Deon did. One might conclude that letting your entire team go and rebuilding from the portal isn't as good as taking your core team and building around it. I haven't and won't take the time to average the last 10 years of NW results, but it would be interesting to see what the coach did based on that.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
You are literally saying that it's best to compare this year to a single year instead of 10 years in order to set the threshold that Deon should meet. That makes no sense unless you simply are trying to prop up what he did for whatever reason. Taking a 10-year average shows what the program is capable of doing across a broad spectrum of schedules, coaches, players, etc. It inherently establishes what an average year has been like at Colorado, and therefore is the baseline against which you would compare the new coach. If the new coach simply does what has been done in average years in the past it was a bad hire. How much more he has to win to determine if a coach is successful is then dictated by the program's expectations.

It's even more disingenuous to say that he took a 1-11 squad to 4-8. He actually didn't do that. He brought in a brand new squad and took it to 4-8. To say he took a 1-11 squad to 4-8 is trying to make it look like he is some great developer of players. You could look at the NW coach and say he did that ... he was playing with the same team and did better. It kind of makes you wonder if Fitzgerald at NW had reached his limits. What the new coach did at NW is way more impressive than what Deon did. One might conclude that letting your entire team go and rebuilding from the portal isn't as good as taking your core team and building around it. I haven't and won't take the time to average the last 10 years of NW results, but it would be interesting to see what the coach did based on that.
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I think Fitzgerald was growing stale at NW for awhile now. 2020 was a series of very fortunate circumstances for them, I don't even count that year. They probably wanted to make a change earlier but it's hard to fire a guy like that at a school like NW, all the shit coming out this summer was probably a godsend for them to have a excuse to move in a new direction.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
You are literally saying that it's best to compare this year to a single year instead of 10 years in order to set the threshold that Deon should meet. That makes no sense unless you simply are trying to prop up what he did for whatever reason. Taking a 10-year average shows what the program is capable of doing across a broad spectrum of schedules, coaches, players, etc. It inherently establishes what an average year has been like at Colorado, and therefore is the baseline against which you would compare the new coach. If the new coach simply does what has been done in average years in the past it was a bad hire. How much more he has to win to determine if a coach is successful is then dictated by the program's expectations.

It's even more disingenuous to say that he took a 1-11 squad to 4-8. He actually didn't do that. He brought in a brand new squad and took it to 4-8. To say he took a 1-11 squad to 4-8 is trying to make it look like he is some great developer of players. You could look at the NW coach and say he did that ... he was playing with the same team and did better. It kind of makes you wonder if Fitzgerald at NW had reached his limits. What the new coach did at NW is way more impressive than what Deon did. One might conclude that letting your entire team go and rebuilding from the portal isn't as good as taking your core team and building around it. I haven't and won't take the time to average the last 10 years of NW results, but it would be interesting to see what the coach did based on that.
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Northwestern averaged 6 wins a year over the previous 10 years.

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WhosYourDawggy said:
You are literally saying that it's best to compare this year to a single year instead of 10 years in order to set the threshold that Deon should meet. That makes no sense unless you simply are trying to prop up what he did for whatever reason. Taking a 10-year average shows what the program is capable of doing across a broad spectrum of schedules, coaches, players, etc. It inherently establishes what an average year has been like at Colorado, and therefore is the baseline against which you would compare the new coach. If the new coach simply does what has been done in average years in the past it was a bad hire. How much more he has to win to determine if a coach is successful is then dictated by the program's expectations.

It's even more disingenuous to say that he took a 1-11 squad to 4-8. He actually didn't do that. He brought in a brand new squad and took it to 4-8. To say he took a 1-11 squad to 4-8 is trying to make it look like he is some great developer of players. You could look at the NW coach and say he did that ... he was playing with the same team and did better. It kind of makes you wonder if Fitzgerald at NW had reached his limits. What the new coach did at NW is way more impressive than what Deon did. One might conclude that letting your entire team go and rebuilding from the portal isn't as good as taking your core team and building around it. I haven't and won't take the time to average the last 10 years of NW results, but it would be interesting to see what the coach did based on that.
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Let me reiterate, I don't give a shit about Colorado or Deion. As a program from one year to the next, they were much improved. If he would have taken over after the 2021 4-win season, it would be different. They were one of the worst teams in the FBS in 2022. He had to bring in a brand new team, because the team in 2022 was historically awful. Why wouldn't he do that?

Yes, I would agree what the coach at NW did was way more impressive.
 
ericd7633 said:
Let me reiterate, I don't give a shit about Colorado or Deion. As a program from one year to the next, they were much improved. If he would have taken over after the 2021 4-win season, it would be different. They were one of the worst teams in the FBS in 2022. He had to bring in a brand new team, because the team in 2022 was historically awful. Why wouldn't he do that?

Yes, I would agree what the coach at NW did was way more impressive.
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Could argue that NW was just as bad last year, they did it with a much easier schedule too

NW lost to Southern Illinois who was a 5-6 FCS team and a 6-7 Miami of Ohio team. Colorado didn't quite have losses like that.
 
ericd7633 said:
Let me reiterate, I don't give a shit about Colorado or Deion. As a program from one year to the next, they were much improved. If he would have taken over after the 2021 4-win season, it would be different. They were one of the worst teams in the FBS in 2022. He had to bring in a brand new team, because the team in 2022 was historically awful. Why wouldn't he do that?

Yes, I would agree what the coach at NW did was way more impressive.
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He wouldn't do that for the reason you state - what NW did was way more impressive. My guess is that had Deon kept the core of the team he had, and supplemented it with 20-30 transfers, he would have had a better team and would have been more like NW. He didn't have to bring in a new team, he chose to do so and it cost him in a number of ways.
 
The whole “he quadrupled their win total from last year” thing is really kinda dumb.

Colorado had a much easier schedule this season, a new, first-time HC and a whole new team. Kind of hard to not do better than 1-11. M inlnv
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A lot of other new, first-time HC’s probably would’ve had at least similar or better results in the same circumstances.

The “so many close losses, could’ve been 8-4” really doesn’t have any merit imo. 3 of the 4 wins were really close (needed a 2nd half comeback in 2 of them). The USC & ORST games weren’t that close. Both teams were just so exhausted from kicking the shit out of the Buffs in the first 3 & 1/2 qrts, the Buffs were just the fresher team and had nothing to lose. Onlylike 2 of their losses were close for the whole game, Arizona & Utah.

Deion didn’t really do anything special in year 1.
 
Fields looking good on this opening drive
 
TE coach quit today too. Now the staff is abandoning ship? But hey Warren Sapp will be on staff for some reason next year.
 
jjc2009 said:
TE coach quit today too. Now the staff is abandoning ship? But hey Warren Sapp will be on staff for some reason next year.
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Apparently Deion doesn’t have enough ego so had to add Sapp
 
Kburjr said:
The thing Deion did was put asses in seats and eyeballs on the TV. I don't think his success can be measured by Ws and Ls.
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Ok, for a year or two. Then that novelty wears off. Then what? A mediocre football team
 
jjc2009 said:
TE coach quit today too. Now the staff is abandoning ship? But hey Warren Sapp will be on staff for some reason next year.
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Bet the OC leaves too. He had a nice gig at Kent as HC and left for Colorado. That was a mistake
 
osubuckeye89 said:
I think Fitzgerald was growing stale at NW for awhile now. 2020 was a series of very fortunate circumstances for them, I don't even count that year. They probably wanted to make a change earlier but it's hard to fire a guy like that at a school like NW, all the shit coming out this summer was probably a godsend for them to have a excuse to move in a new direction.
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Fitzgerald was thick headed and didn't seem to realize its not 1995 anymore. NW is better off
 
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