Coach Prime did the impossible!!!

ericd7633 said:
They were arguably the worst FBS team last year. They definitely weren't that this year. They lost last year by an avg of 29 ppg.
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And they had a top 5 college qb this yr
 
Knight&Day said:
The whole “he quadrupled their win total from last year” thing is really kinda dumb.

Colorado had a much easier schedule this season, a new, first-time HC and a whole new team. Kind of hard to not do better than 1-11. M inlnv
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A lot of other new, first-time HC’s probably would’ve had at least similar or better results in the same circumstances.

The “so many close losses, could’ve been 8-4” really doesn’t have any merit imo. 3 of the 4 wins were really close (needed a 2nd half comeback in 2 of them). The USC & ORST games weren’t that close. Both teams were just so exhausted from kicking the shit out of the Buffs in the first 3 & 1/2 qrts, the Buffs were just the fresher team and had nothing to lose. Onlylike 2 of their losses were close for the whole game, Arizona & Utah.

Deion didn’t really do anything special in year 1.
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People seem to want to ignore that Deion basically brought a whole fucking new team with him too. It's not like he molded that same group of guys from last year into a improved team. He just built a new team with the portal.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
People seem to want to ignore that Deion basically brought a whole fucking new team with him too. It's not like he molded that same group of guys from last year into a improved team. He just built a new team with the portal.
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And acted like he had nothing to do with the lineman he brought in
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
He wouldn't do that for the reason you state - what NW did was way more impressive. My guess is that had Deon kept the core of the team he had, and supplemented it with 20-30 transfers, he would have had a better team and would have been more like NW. He didn't have to bring in a new team, he chose to do so and it cost him in a number of ways.
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I won't blame him for flipping a roster than produced one of the worst teams in FBS. If it happens again, that's not good.
 
ericd7633 said:
I won't blame him for flipping a roster than produced one of the worst teams in FBS. If it happens again, that's not good.
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The point is that no one had ever tried it. The rules didn't allow it. We now have two examples where one coach tried it and another didn't. The outcomes are obvious. Now, correlation is not causation. It could be the NW coach is actually a really good coach, and knows how to build character and culture, while Deon is Gucci and keeps receipts. I'm thinking turning over 65 plus players is a sub-optimal strategy.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
The point is that no one had ever tried it. The rules didn't allow it. We now have two examples where one coach tried it and another didn't. The outcomes are obvious. Now, correlation is not causation. It could be the NW coach is actually a really good coach, and knows how to build character and culture, while Deon is Gucci and keeps receipts. I'm thinking turning over 65 plus players is a sub-optimal strategy.
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The NW coach did a good job, but it certainly was aided by playing in that garbage division. We saw what Colorado did against a Big West team.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
The point is that no one had ever tried it. The rules didn't allow it. We now have two examples where one coach tried it and another didn't. The outcomes are obvious. Now, correlation is not causation. It could be the NW coach is actually a really good coach, and knows how to build character and culture, while Deon is Gucci and keeps receipts. I'm thinking turning over 65 plus players is a sub-optimal strategy.
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Tough to say. They were definitely improved over last year, but there's no way of knowing what would have been the result going the other way.
 
Kburjr said:
The thing Deion did was put asses in seats and eyeballs on the TV. I don't think his success can be measured by Ws and Ls.
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Right. Because he lost.

You're saying that the basic qualifier of every winning coach in history doesn't apply to Deion Sanders. He gets to define success and it has nothing to do with, you know... actually succeeding.

wow
 
Across The Field said:
The move to the new Big 12 next year will be a blessing for him. He should easily be able to go 6-6 against this slate:
08/31 - North Dakota State
09/07 - at Nebraska
09/14 - at Colorado State
TBA - Baylor
TBA - Oklahoma State
TBA - Kansas State
TBA - Cincinnati
TBA - at Kansas
TBA - at Texas Tech
TBA - at UCF

If Leopold and Kleiman are poached from KU and KSU, this is going to be a breeze.
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god, this sport is about to suck ass. just put the Big 12 and ACC out of their misery like the Pac-12
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Is blowing a 29-0 lead to a totally garbage 3-9 Stanford team at home and losing 56-14 to a well below average 5-7 Wazzu squad all part of the right step?
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We weren’t below average, we were making a political statement by protesting football in October and early November.
 
HammerDown said:
Right. Because he lost.

You're saying that the basic qualifier of every winning coach in history doesn't apply to Deion Sanders. He gets to define success and it has nothing to do with, you know... actually succeeding.

wow
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You can't measure his success by wins and losses because he failed.

What part of sarcasm do you have a problem with?

BTW, Fat Bert has an attendance clause in his contract.
 
Hitman Hart said:
god, this sport is about to suck ass. just put the Big 12 and ACC out of their misery like the Pac-12
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It's definitely trending that way. I'm sure Florida State and Clemson will head to the SEC shortly and basically everything outside of that and the B1G will be a G5.
 
ericd7633 said:
The NW coach did a good job, but it certainly was aided by playing in that garbage division. We saw what Colorado did against a Big West team.
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I think you also are aware of the massive talent different between Colorado and Northwestern this year. You saw one game when they played Nebraska that still inexplicably had Jeff Sims playing QB. Not that the other two QBs were Jayden Daniels, but Sims was absolutely horrible. We also saw Colorado struggle mightily vs. Colorado State and lose to a horrible Stanford. Hard to say if NW and Colorado played right now that NW wouldn't win.
 
Across The Field said:
I think you also are aware of the massive talent different between Colorado and Northwestern this year. You saw one game when they played Nebraska that still inexplicably had Jeff Sims playing QB. Not that the other two QBs were Jayden Daniels, but Sims was absolutely horrible. We also saw Colorado struggle mightily vs. Colorado State and lose to a horrible Stanford. Hard to say if NW and Colorado played right now that NW wouldn't win.
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NW probably would win. I never said Colorado was good or avg. Simply they were improved from last year. Would Colorado have a better record if they played NW's schedule? I think so, and I think that's fair. Just depends which Colorado team shows up. They were very inconsistent, even from half to half like the Stanford game.
 
Kburjr said:
You can't measure his success by wins and losses because he failed.

What part of sarcasm do you have a problem with?

BTW, Fat Bert has an attendance clause in his contract.
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Sorry, ser. I have calibrated my sarcasm meter.
 
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