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Wild Turkey said:
What he is doing is the following:

1. Probably going to earn 3mm and triple his income guaranteed for 5 years.

2. He is going to have way more resources,

3. He is now at a P5 school and doesn’t have to win the conference to get to the big dance (this is a major consideration).

What is yet to be seen if he can recruit the athletes he will need to compete in the Big 12.
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He’s not a terrible coach. But he can thank his 2 tourney runs with a lot of upsets that help him land this better job. Before that final 4 run, I believe it was @ChiSoxFan that said he was on the hot seat?
 
ralphiewvu said:
He’s not a terrible coach. But he can thank his 2 tourney runs with a lot of upsets that help him land this better job. Before that final 4 run, I believe it was @ChiSoxFan that said he was on the hot seat?
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I said Moser was on the hot seat before 2018? Don’t recall if I did at this point. Wouldn’t be surprised if I did.
 
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ChiSoxFan said:
I said Moser was on the hot seat before 2018? Don’t recall if I did at this point. Wouldn’t be surprised if I did.
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I forgot who had mentioned it. Maybe it wasn’t you. But it seems his runs in the tourney helped him get this okie gig. But just my opinion.
 
ralphiewvu said:
I forgot who had mentioned it. Maybe it wasn’t you. But it seems his runs in the tourney helped him get this okie gig. But just my opinion.
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Those runs definitely helped him land that job.
 
Just to throw my opinion out there:

1. Marquette and OU are similar in nature as far as programs. Claiming OU as a much better program, just isn't true.

2. Marquette choosing to go with Shaka over Moser(if he was a candidate, which I believe he was going to be) was the correct call for Marquette.

3. After Marquette closed, I thought Moser might stay at Loyola. OU is certainly a surprising fit, given his coaching history. I don't blame him for taking it though, given how much he'll be making.
 
ericd7633 said:
Just to throw my opinion out there:

1. Marquette and OU are similar in nature as far as programs. Claiming OU as a much better program, just isn't true.

2. Marquette choosing to go with Shaka over Moser(if he was a candidate, which I believe he was going to be) was the correct call for Marquette.

3. After Marquette closed, I thought Moser might stay at Loyola. OU is certainly a surprising fit, given his coaching history. I don't blame him for taking it though, given how much he'll be making.
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1) don’t agree even a little

2) never an argument about shaka over moser. The argument was if moser given his choice of open programs Marquette was his first choice.

3) Moser leaving Loyola for OU is surprising. That’s what leads me To believe he wouldn’t have landed at Marquette given his options. (My opinion)
 
tbh, i'd be somewhat nervous if my favorite team hired Moser

.below 500 conference record in the MVC and Horizon League. Took him seven years at Loyola to finish a season above .500 in-conference.

one of the stranger collegiate coaching resumes that I have seen. i think it's fair to ask if Oklahoma hired the MWC's version of Paul Hewitt.
 
ralphiewvu said:
1) don’t agree even a little

2) never an argument about shaka over moser. The argument was if moser given his choice of open programs Marquette was his first choice.

3) Moser leaving Loyola for OU is surprising. That’s what leads me To believe he wouldn’t have landed at Marquette given his options. (My opinion)
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1. That's fine if you don't agree. There isn't any indication that OU is a much better job, if at all. I'd be curious what facts lead you to believe that.

2. I do think Marquette was his first choice. Given his coaching background it's much more of a fit than OU is.

3. It's surprising only because OU isn't an ideal fit like Marquette would have been.
 
ericd7633 said:
1. That's fine if you don't agree. There isn't any indication that OU is a much better job, if at all. I'd be curious what facts lead you to believe that.

2. I do think Marquette was his first choice. Given his coaching background it's much more of a fit than OU is.

3. It's surprising only because OU isn't an ideal fit like Marquette would have been.
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1) I’d say how they‘ve done in the tournament recently with the conference they are in.

2) I disagree, I think we’ll never know for sure. But I do agree I was thinking there fits for him then OU.

3) A very fair point.
 
ralphiewvu said:
1) I’d say how they‘ve done in the tournament recently with the conference they are in.

2) I disagree, I think we’ll never know for sure. But I do agree I was thinking there fits for him then OU.

3) A very fair point.
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Neither have really done anything in the last 5 years in the tournament. If you go back 10, both have been in two S16's and an E8 with OU making a FF. Conference affiliation doesn't mean anything when Marquette spends and has the resources they have.

We'll never know, you're right, but there were a lot of indicators, and things aligning where I do think Marquette was his 1st option. Him leaving for OU, IMO, suggests he was leaving one way or another to get paid, and Marquette would have been the ideal place for him.
 
ericd7633 said:
Neither have really done anything in the last 5 years in the tournament. If you go back 10, both have been in two S16's and an E8 with OU making a FF. Conference affiliation doesn't mean anything when Marquette spends and has the resources they have.

We'll never know, you're right, but there were a lot of indicators, and things aligning where I do think Marquette was his 1st option. Him leaving for OU, IMO, suggests he was leaving one way or another to get paid, and Marquette would have been the ideal place for him.
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OU made a final 4 5 tourneys ago. That’s something. Absolutely conference affiliation matters when comparing jobs. It’s not the end all be all but it’s something.

As I stated, we’ll never know unless it comes from him. My opinion is Marquette wouldn’t have even his first option he would have went to.
 
Hitman Hart said:
tbh, i'd be somewhat nervous if my favorite team hired Moser

.below 500 conference record in the MVC and Horizon League. Took him seven years at Loyola to finish a season above .500 in-conference.

one of the stranger collegiate coaching resumes that I have seen. i think it's fair to ask if Oklahoma hired the MWC's version of Paul Hewitt.
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You have to factor how bad Loyola was when Moser took over and the up hill climb. No resources, tradition was dust on the floor and you were basically picking through Chicago recruits the other programs passed on.

There was luck involved with that freshman class in the final 4 year and a couple of key transfers but he built off it and had three solid years.
 
ralphiewvu said:
OU made a final 4 5 tourneys ago. That’s something. Absolutely conference affiliation matters when comparing jobs. It’s not the end all be all but it’s something.

As I stated, we’ll never know unless it comes from him. My opinion is Marquette wouldn’t have even his first option he would have went to.
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Yeah I mentioned OU made the FF in 2016. They had a good two year stretch in 2015, 2016, no different than Marquette's stretch in 2011-2013, except OU won the E8 game.

Conference affiliation does matter, just not in the example we are using. The Big East is a power league, with a power league TV deal. Marquette puts a ton of resources into basketball, has great facilities and is able to get players. There is just nothing to suggest OU is a much better job. They are pretty much identical as far as comparing everything IMO. It's not as though OU is pulling coaches from other P6 programs. Kruger came from UNLV, Capel came from VCU, Sampson came from Wazzu, a historically bad P6 program. Marquette has tended to go the P6 assistant route, with Wojo, promoting Buzz and hiring Crean.
 
ericd7633 said:
Yeah I mentioned OU made the FF in 2016. They had a good two year stretch in 2015, 2016, no different than Marquette's stretch in 2011-2013, except OU won the E8 game.

Conference affiliation does matter, just not in the example we are using. The Big East is a power league, with a power league TV deal. Marquette puts a ton of resources into basketball, has great facilities and is able to get players. There is just nothing to suggest OU is a much better job. They are pretty much identical as far as comparing everything IMO. It's not as though OU is pulling coaches from other P6 programs. Kruger came from UNLV, Capel came from VCU, Sampson came from Wazzu, a historically bad P6 program. Marquette has tended to go the P6 assistant route, with Wojo, promoting Buzz and hiring Crean.
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You stated both haven’t done much the last 5 years. Making the final 4 makes that comment invalid.

The amount of resources OU pours into basketball seem more then what Marquette puts in. The Big East isn’t a bad conference. But there is nothing to suggest it is a better conference then the B12 recently. But again, to each their own.
 
ralphiewvu said:
You stated both haven’t done much the last 5 years. Making the final 4 makes that comment invalid.

The amount of resources OU pours into basketball seem more then what Marquette puts in. The Big East isn’t a bad conference. But there is nothing to suggest it is a better conference then the B12 recently. But again, to each their own.
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2021, 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017. Are the last 5 seasons. Neither has done much in that time frame, nothing I said is invalid. It sucks the tournament was canceled in 2020, but that doesn't mean the FF didn't happen any less later.

And you would be wrong about that. Marquette spends alot more on basketball than OU does. A quick Google search would verify that. I'm not one to make stuff up out of thin air. This is why conference affiliation doesn't matter.
 
Wild Turkey said:
You have to factor how bad Loyola was when Moser took over and the up hill climb. No resources, tradition was dust on the floor and you were basically picking through Chicago recruits the other programs passed on.

There was luck involved with that freshman class in the final 4 year and a couple of key transfers but he built off it and had three solid years.
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i mean, he also sucked at Illinois State, too. Didn't exactly set the world on fire @ Arkansas-Little Rock, either. His first thirteen years of collegiate coaching were absolutely mediocre.
 
ericd7633 said:
2021, 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017. Are the last 5 seasons. Neither has done much in that time frame, nothing I said is invalid. It sucks the tournament was canceled in 2020, but that doesn't mean the FF didn't happen any less later.

And you would be wrong about that. Marquette spends alot more on basketball than OU does. A quick Google search would verify that. I'm not one to make stuff up out of thin air. This is why conference affiliation doesn't matter.
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yup, thought it was decently known that Marquette has way deeper pockets than the rest of the Big East.

With that said, why did Buzz leave Marquette? Would like to know the answer to that, because it feeds into the "the new Big East can't keep coaches around" narrative that has been floating around.
 
ericd7633 said:
2021, 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017. Are the last 5 seasons. Neither has done much in that time frame, nothing I said is invalid. It sucks the tournament was canceled in 2020, but that doesn't mean the FF didn't happen any less later.

And you would be wrong about that. Marquette spends alot more on basketball than OU does. A quick Google search would verify that. I'm not one to make stuff up out of thin air. This is why conference affiliation doesn't matter.
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I took your wording to mean the last 5 tournaments. One year more they were in the final 4.

Wow you are right n the spending. I miss took OUs spending on all male sports. My B
Still disagree on conference affiliation. But to each their own.
 
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