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Across The Field said:
58th, of course not, but that's getting into mostly G5 territory. I'd take a group of 25-30th ranked class guys with excellent coaches over a team of top 5 class recruits with shit coaching any day.
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Glad we agree that Wisconsin recruited at a G5 level last year...since they had the 58th ranked class.
 
Rolltide94 said:
The danger with LSU and Florida is their recruiting, they have talented players on campus. Penn State is a contender because of this. If Wisconsin has too many more recruiting classes like this past one, they won't be a contender in the West, let alone nationally.
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You are under estimating how bad the recruiting is in the B1G West. Even with as bad as Wisconsin's recruiting class was. They only signed 1 less blue chip recruit than the B1G West team who signed the most. Nebraska sign 4 four star recruits. Wisconsin signed 3 four star recruits.

The B1G East and B1G West are polar opposites in recruiting. The top recruiting class in the B1G West is usually the 4th or 5th best recruiting class in the B1G.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
To go back to this, Florida has largely been a mess since Urban left.

I think people forget that Florida was in no way a historic blue blood before Steve Spurrier got there in 1990, they were mostly a middling average-below average program. They reverted back to being incredibly average under Ron Zook before Urban came in. Now they've once again reverted back to average (and downright bad at times)

It's possible that Florida having 2 generational coaches almost back to back in the 90s/2000s blinds us from what their actual long term sustainability is.
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Florida is the one of the most fertile recruiting lands in the country. In 1990 there were 9 million less Floridians than there are today. The population is now 3 times larger than it was in 1970....an increase of 15 million people. To put that into context, Ohio, had just under 11 million people in 1970, it has around 12 million now. Florida isn't reverting back to anything. All the Florida schools are sleeping giants...it's just a numbers game.
 
Across The Field said:
They only have a national title ceiling because at one time they each had really good coaching staffs (or in LSU's case, got extremely lucky for one season that they had Joe Brady). That said, without Urban Meyer, Florida is going on 3 decades without a title and is most likely a mediocre team this century outside of a few 10-3 type years. LSU largely has been mediocre-above average for the past 15 years aside from the Burrow year and 2013. Thing is, with the recruiting advantages these schools have, not to mention the complete and total lack of interest the NCAA has in actually investigating anything that happens there, they should never have mediocrity. The reality is, though, they only have a national title ceiling when they have elite coaching, which goes for every team.
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Okay, well without Urban OSU would be going on 2 decades without a title. I don't see the point in taking away accomplishments? Michigan is the 2nd best program in the B1G, and they aren't even on Auburn's level of accomplishment the last 15 years. You can't just subtract things to help your argument.
 
Rolltide94 said:
Florida is the one of the most fertile recruiting lands in the country. In 1990 there were 9 million less Floridians than there are today. The population is now 3 times larger than it was in 1970....an increase of 15 million people. To put that into context, Ohio, had just under 11 million people in 1970, it has around 12 million now. Florida isn't reverting back to anything. All the Florida schools are sleeping giants...it's just a numbers game.
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Florida, Florida State & Cryami sure can't pull it together though. Lol.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
You are under estimating how bad the recruiting is in the B1G West. Even with as bad as Wisconsin's recruiting class was. They only signed 1 less blue chip recruit than the B1G West team who signed the most. Nebraska sign 4 four star recruits. Wisconsin signed 3 four star recruits.

The B1G East and B1G West are polar opposites in recruiting. The top recruiting class in the B1G West is usually the 4th or 5th best recruiting class in the B1G.
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Actually, I am not...Wisconsin finished in 12th place in the B1G last year...right behind Rutgers. Yes recruiting in the B1G West sucks, Wisconsin is part of that suck....the only West team they beat out was Purdue. I don't know how I could convey that I think Wisconsin is less of a national contender.
 
Rolltide94 said:
Glad we agree that Wisconsin recruited at a G5 level last year...since they had the 58th ranked class.
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Yeah that's probably a big part of why they fired Chryst and brought in Fickell. They should have no worse than a top 15-25 recruiting class every year.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
You are under estimating how bad the recruiting is in the B1G West. Even with as bad as Wisconsin's recruiting class was. They only signed 1 less blue chip recruit than the B1G West team who signed the most. Nebraska sign 4 four star recruits. Wisconsin signed 3 four star recruits.

The B1G East and B1G West are polar opposites in recruiting. The top recruiting class in the B1G West is usually the 4th or 5th best recruiting class in the B1G.
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Yea nobody in the B1G West is ever going to recruit at a high high level. There just isnt that type of program there.

Best bets for those teams is finishing in the 20s nationally and developing those guys they get really well. Probably not going to win them a national title but they could at least maybe sneak up and win the B1G title maybe every so often.
 
ericd7633 said:
Okay, well without Urban OSU would be going on 2 decades without a title. I don't see the point in taking away accomplishments? Michigan is the 2nd best program in the B1G, and they aren't even on Auburn's level of accomplishment the last 15 years. You can't just subtract things to help your argument.
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I never said you could, I'm just stating an objective truth. The difference is when Urban left Florida, they immediately became shit and have stayed shit for the most part, while Ohio State is still among the nation's elite and is arguably a shanked FG away from being the defending champ right now. Ohio State's program is simply far above Florida's and has been for the majority of this century.

As far as michigan goes, they're not the second best program in the B1G. They finally woke up the last two years but they were outside the top 30 in the nation in wins the previous 15 years. Obviously recruiting plays a massive part in being a champ, but coaching is much more important. That's been Florida's issue since Urban left, it's been LSU/Auburn's issue for the better part of the last 15 years, and basically been michigan's issue since before 1950.
 
Rolltide94 said:
Florida is the one of the most fertile recruiting lands in the country. In 1990 there were 9 million less Floridians than there are today. The population is now 3 times larger than it was in 1970....an increase of 15 million people. To put that into context, Ohio, had just under 11 million people in 1970, it has around 12 million now. Florida isn't reverting back to anything. All the Florida schools are sleeping giants...it's just a numbers game.
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Potential =/= results. Reality is that Florida, much like Texas, has wide open borders and has for some time now. The bleeding won't stop until the top programs in each state figure out the coaching situation. Even then pipelines are being built outside of the state that are becoming very fruitful.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Florida, Florida State & Cryami sure can't pull it together though. Lol.
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You should be thankful for that...as I am. There has been one season in the last 5 that the majority of the top 15 Florida players stayed in the state, and that was the travel restricted covid year. Alabama has pulled more of their top 15 than all 3 combined in the last 5 years. We took 6 of their top 15 in the 2021 class.
 
Across The Field said:
Potential =/= results. Reality is that Florida, much like Texas, has wide open borders and has for some time now. The bleeding won't stop until the top programs in each state figure out the coaching situation. Even then pipelines are being built outside of the state that are becoming very fruitful.
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Ask Nebraska how fragile pipelines are.
 
Rolltide94 said:
You should be thankful for that...as I am. There has been one season in the last 5 that the majority of the top 15 Florida players stayed in the state, and that was the travel restricted covid year. Alabama has pulled more of their top 15 than all 3 combined in the last 5 years. We took 6 of their top 15 in the 2021 class.
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That's probably a big part of the problem for the Florida schools. The other SEC regional schools are better so they swoop in and take the best guys. Leaving Florida, Florida State & Miami to battle for the next ring of guys after the top.
 
Rolltide94 said:
Actually, I am not...Wisconsin finished in 12th place in the B1G last year...right behind Rutgers. Yes recruiting in the B1G West sucks, Wisconsin is part of that suck....the only West team they beat out was Purdue. I don't know how I could convey that I think Wisconsin is less of a national contender.
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No B1G West team is going to be a national contender ever unless lightning in a bottle happens. You could let the B1G West hand pick the best recruits off every team in the conference to make a super team and they still wouldn't have a top 5 recruiting class.
 
Across The Field said:
Well, yeah, you can't have repeated failures at HC like Nebraska, FSU, Texas, Florida, Miami, etc.
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I still laugh at Miami fans. I remember when they joined the ACC they loved saying ACC = ALL CANES CONFERENCE!

18 seasons later and they've won exactly 0 ACC titles while only making it to the ACC title game 1 time

Wake Forest, Ga Tech & Pitt all have appeared in and won more ACC titles than Miami since they joined the ACC.
 
Rolltide94 said:
You're 8-19 versus other Power 5's in the last 3 years, near even against the Mountain West and BYU is 5-1 over that last two seasons. Going to 9 conference games likely improved your overall record.
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Likely not. As it is now, PAC teams play at a minimum 9 Power 5 games, most play 10. 8 game conference record would mean 8 min, with most playing 9. The conference game would be replaced with a patsy, ie SEC schedule of 8 conference, 1 PF and 2 cupcakes and 1 D2.
 
ericd7633 said:
Then let an OSU or PSU fan bring it up because they play teams OOC. Your team is literally doing the same thing you're making fun of the SEC for doing.
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One season? Michigan plays Texas literally next year.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Yea nobody in the B1G West is ever going to recruit at a high high level. There just isnt that type of program there.

Best bets for those teams is finishing in the 20s nationally and developing those guys they get really well. Probably not going to win them a national title but they could at least maybe sneak up and win the B1G title maybe every so often.
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I've been saying that for a long while. Nebraska fans didn't like to hear that. It is simply the truth in today's CFB. If you can't recruit like the elite programs (which no B1G West team ever will be able to) -- you aren't going to be winning a national title.

As you said -- they may have a year where they upset the B1G East champ and get to be fodder for whoever in the CFP, but winning a national title is never happening unless they completely revamp recruiting.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
I've been saying that for a long while. Nebraska fans didn't like to hear that. It is simply the truth in today's CFB. If you can't recruit like the elite programs (which no B1G West team ever will be able to) -- you aren't going to be winning a national title.

As you said -- they may have a year where they upset the B1G East champ and get to be fodder for whoever in the CFP, but winning a national title is never happening unless they completely revamp recruiting.
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I think a lot of Nebraska's success in the 80s/90s had to do with them willing to push things and take guys that other schools probably wouldn't take because of character or academic issues. Once they stopped being able to do that they fell apart pretty quickly.
 
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