Daddy Nick tried to warn everyone

Deep Creek said:
Good problem to have since most of those 91 are 4&5*s. No?
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Oh, yeah ... great problem to have until you realize the team you have to get past was able to add 6 really talented and key pieces. It would have been nice to have been able to do that. Look, we just had 2 5* OL go into the portal, and candidly it really isn't going to hurt us. Webb is a undersized OL who couldn't put on weight. Great guy, but he wasn't going to start a game at UGA. Will end up at UAB or similar school. Mims on the other hand would have played a lot, but has better players in front of him and is not willing to wait. He'll end up at FSU or Miami and will likely be a 1st round draft pick in 2 years. You can't sit better more experienced players, and he wasn't willing to wait. Good luck to him.

We will likely get down to the point in the next few weeks where we can add 2 or 3. Look for transfer news out of Athens after the spring game. We'll lose at least 5 more.
 
Volbound1700 said:
I am going to address both your and @WhosYourDawggy posts at the same time since they are similar.

I do agree but I think Michigan has, for the most part, out recruited most of their B1G rivals excluding Ohio State and general has more ability to compete nationally than most of the B1G. However, I agree with premise that Texas A&M has recruited far better. I was just using the example that Fisher has them in the running (like Harbaugh did at Michigan for years) but is missing a few pieces that is preventing a breakthrough. Michigan finally had that breakthrough this year and it is a matter of time before Aggie does it as well.
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Michigan is a distant second in recruiting to OSU. To put it in perspective how distant. The one year OSU was 4th and we were 10th in the nation in recruiting. The #1 recruiting UM signed was AJ Henning. He would have ranked as the 11th best recruit in OSU's recruiting class.

OSU recruits on the level with Bama and Georgia. UM most definitely doesn't. Michigan's 'breakthrough' was taking advantage of a soft OSU defense, who couldn't handle teams playing physical. OSU still had, by far, the best offense in college football last year and will have it again this year.

I get what you are saying though. A&M is going to be a legit power team if they find an elite QB.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Michigan is a distant second in recruiting to OSU. To put it in perspective how distant. The one year OSU was 4th and we were 10th in the nation in recruiting. The #1 recruiting UM signed was AJ Henning. He would have ranked as the 11th best recruit in OSU's recruiting class.

OSU recruits on the level with Bama and Georgia. UM most definitely doesn't. Michigan's 'breakthrough' was taking advantage of a soft OSU defense, who couldn't handle teams playing physical. OSU still had, by far, the best offense in college football last year and will have it again this year.

I get what you are saying though. A&M is going to be a legit power team if they find an elite QB.
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King was still an INT machine in maroon and white. Max looked good having a full season under his belt. Connor needs at least a year to learn.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Michigan is a distant second in recruiting to OSU. To put it in perspective how distant. The one year OSU was 4th and we were 10th in the nation in recruiting. The #1 recruiting UM signed was AJ Henning. He would have ranked as the 11th best recruit in OSU's recruiting class.

OSU recruits on the level with Bama and Georgia. UM most definitely doesn't. Michigan's 'breakthrough' was taking advantage of a soft OSU defense, who couldn't handle teams playing physical. OSU still had, by far, the best offense in college football last year and will have it again this year.

I get what you are saying though. A&M is going to be a legit power team if they find an elite QB.
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I don't think the casual fan actually understands the difference you state. Up until around 2014, it wasn't that way. A top 10 class meant you were 4 or 5 players behind no. 1 and 2. Since then, a huge percent of the best players go to the top 3 teams. The distance between 1 and 4 is like the difference between 4 and 18. I don't mean that to be exact, it's an example. I once compared UF's no. 9 class to UGA's no. class. It was the difference between UF at no. 9 and Purdue at no. 48. Again, don't recall the exact specifics, but that's the difference.

Just this past year, ATM, Bama, and UGA got something like 45 of the top 100 players. ATM got more 5 stars than all the teams in each of the B1G and the ACC. Those disparities are huge and why I pointed out you have to do it year in and year out if you want to beat Bama.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I don't think the casual fan actually understands the difference you state. Up until around 2014, it wasn't that way. A top 10 class meant you were 4 or 5 players behind no. 1 and 2. Since then, a huge percent of the best players go to the top 3 teams. The distance between 1 and 4 is like the difference between 4 and 18. I don't mean that to be exact, it's an example. I once compared UF's no. 9 class to UGA's no. class. It was the difference between UF at no. 9 and Purdue at no. 48. Again, don't recall the exact specifics, but that's the difference.

Just this past year, ATM, Bama, and UGA got something like 45 of the top 100 players. ATM got more 5 stars than all the teams in each of the B1G and the ACC. Those disparities are huge and why I pointed out you have to do it year in and year out if you want to beat Bama.
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This statement sums up perfectly why College Football has lost a lot of parity over the last 10 years.
 
Volbound1700 said:
This statement sums up perfectly why College Football has lost a lot of parity over the last 10 years.
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Let's assume that the illegal bagman wasn't the cause of the disparity. By that I mean that all teams drop some bags at some level, but let's assume that all the top 10-20 schools were equal in their cheating and that isn't the reason for the disparity. Now, what do you do? You don't penalize Bama because Saban is the GOAT and has his system. You can't penalize Smart because he uses the same system and is a tireless recruiter. Same with Day. Those guys are good recruiters, they have top end facilities and a history of putting players in the league. And, they are really liked and respected by the recruits and their families. You can't penalize them and reward the Mullens of the world.

So, what do you do? I have posted many times my hope that NIL, the portal, and an expanded CFP will be the answer. There are some signs it may be. ATM used NIL, we believe, to land the no. 1 class. UTjr is using it this year in perhaps a similar way. USC, LSU, Ole Miss and others used the hell out of the transfer portal and immediately got better. Can ATM? UGA, Bama and tSOU aren't going to sit around and not react. All 3 have collectives, and Bama is playing the transfer portal like a boss. But, I am hopeful we will see a dozen programs get better because of those two things. Now, throw in an expanded CFP and maybe we can get a dozen a year that can really compete.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Let's assume that the illegal bagman wasn't the cause of the disparity. By that I mean that all teams drop some bags at some level, but let's assume that all the top 10-20 schools were equal in their cheating and that isn't the reason for the disparity. Now, what do you do? You don't penalize Bama because Saban is the GOAT and has his system. You can't penalize Smart because he uses the same system and is a tireless recruiter. Same with Day. Those guys are good recruiters, they have top end facilities and a history of putting players in the league. And, they are really liked and respected by the recruits and their families. You can't penalize them and reward the Mullens of the world.

So, what do you do? I have posted many times my hope that NIL, the portal, and an expanded CFP will be the answer. There are some signs it may be. ATM used NIL, we believe, to land the no. 1 class. UTjr is using it this year in perhaps a similar way. USC, LSU, Ole Miss and others used the hell out of the transfer portal and immediately got better. Can ATM? UGA, Bama and tSOU aren't going to sit around and not react. All 3 have collectives, and Bama is playing the transfer portal like a boss. But, I am hopeful we will see a dozen programs get better because of those two things. Now, throw in an expanded CFP and maybe we can get a dozen a year that can really compete.
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I think it is as simple as Saban retiring in 2-3 years. The issue is the regionality of College Football being dominated by SEC now. Ohio State, Clemson, maybe USC Trojans, and maybe a few others may make a splash here and there but the SEC is going to dominate and that really isn't good for College Football.

I miss the days when teams like even BYU, Pittsburgh, Georgia Tech, Syracuse, and Kansas State could compete for National Titles.
 
Red_Alert said:
How good was the SEC though?

Miami - (7-5) No bowl
Mercer - FCS
Florida - Lost bowl game 29-17 to UCF
Southern Miss - (3-9) Finish
Ole Miss - Lost Bowl game 21-7 to Baylor
Texas A&M - Lost 38-41 (A&M dnp bowl)
Mississippi St - Lost bowl game to Texas Tech 34-7
Tennessee - Lost bowl game to Purdue 48-45
LSU - Lost bowl game to Kansas St 42-20
New Mexico St - (2-10) Finish
Arkansas - Beat Penn St 24-10 in bowl game
Auburn - Lost bowl game to Houston 17-13

Beat Cincinnati - G5 (Cincy's best win was Notre Dame who lost their bowl game)
Beat Georgia - SEC CCG
Lost to Georgia - Natty

3 wins against Mercer (FCS), Southern Miss (3-9), New Mexico St (2-10)
Of their SEC opponents in the regular season, they went a combined 1-6 in their bowl games.
Bama lost to A&M in regular season who did not play a bowl game
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I mean Bama did beat UGA who won the NC
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Let's assume that the illegal bagman wasn't the cause of the disparity. By that I mean that all teams drop some bags at some level, but let's assume that all the top 10-20 schools were equal in their cheating and that isn't the reason for the disparity. Now, what do you do? You don't penalize Bama because Saban is the GOAT and has his system. You can't penalize Smart because he uses the same system and is a tireless recruiter. Same with Day. Those guys are good recruiters, they have top end facilities and a history of putting players in the league. And, they are really liked and respected by the recruits and their families. You can't penalize them and reward the Mullens of the world.

So, what do you do? I have posted many times my hope that NIL, the portal, and an expanded CFP will be the answer. There are some signs it may be. ATMI used NIL, we believe, to land the no. 1 class. UTjr is using it this year in perhaps a similar way. USC, LSU, Ole Miss and others used the hell out of the transfer portal and immediately got better. Can ATM? UGA, Bama and tSOU aren't going to sit around and not react. All 3 have collectives, and Bama is playing the transfer portal like a boss. But, I am hopeful we will see a dozen programs get better because of those two things. Now, throw in an expanded CFP and maybe we can get a dozen a year that can really compete.
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I think it is safe to say -- the perks (i.e. bagman) is what separated many schools, to go along with the built in home grown advantage.

A&M is the first team to take it to a different level and instead of a bag man, they backed the brinks truck up for an entire class. Now Tennessee -- i have no clue what they are doing, but buying one recruit isn't going to draw others in, unless you are paying the others like you did the one recruit. So they are ass backwards in their philosophy to go public with it.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
I think it is safe to say -- the perks (i.e. bagman) is what separated many schools, to go along with the built in home grown advantage.

A&M is the first team to take it to a different level and instead of a bag man, they backed the brinks truck up for an entire class. Now Tennessee -- i have no clue what they are doing, but buying one recruit isn't going to draw others in, unless you are paying the others like you did the one recruit. So they are ass backwards in their philosophy to go public with it.
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That is the plan. Apparently Nico has a lot of relationships. Still too early to identify, correctly, the layout of the 2023 class. However, getting a big name recruit catches eyeballs and makes other recruits consider going to Tennessee. That and Nico had, apparently, a great relationship with a few other top recruits. Supposedly Carnell Tate is on our radar as WR and had a great relationship with Nico. I believe he retweeted the commitment announcement.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
I think it is safe to say -- the perks (i.e. bagman) is what separated many schools, to go along with the built in home grown advantage.

A&M is the first team to take it to a different level and instead of a bag man, they backed the brinks truck up for an entire class. Now Tennessee -- i have no clue what they are doing, but buying one recruit isn't going to draw others in, unless you are paying the others like you did the one recruit. So they are ass backwards in their philosophy to go public with it.
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I believe the bagman exists. I don't think it made the difference that many think. For example, UTjr got caught literally giving McDonald's bags of cash. So let's say UGA and Bama were doing that, too. Didn't help UTjr land the classes that Bama and UGA were landing. You have campus, winning, NFL, conference you play in, facilities, and really dynamic coaches, and the cool programs to play for. The idea that Bama, UGA, tOSU, etc were simply buying all their players is just too simple in a very complex situation.

The good thing about NIL is that it is now legal, although they need to have some guardrails so everyone is playing by the same rules. But like it or not, NIL is Legal, Over the Table, Bagman v 2.0. I am okay by that. We have the alumns to go toe to toe with ATM and UTjr. And, I am hopeful it will drive some parity.

UTjr just got news that one of the top WR "suddenly" has UTjr first, over long time leader tOSU. They will distribute the cash. The question is what will that do in the locker room for those not getting the cash, and let's see how team chemistry is. That going to be the interesting thing for NIL for all teams ... what are the dynamics to paying players legally?
 
Volbound1700 said:
That is the plan. Apparently Nico has a lot of relationships. Still too early to identify, correctly, the layout of the 2023 class. However, getting a big name recruit catches eyeballs and makes other recruits consider going to Tennessee. That and Nico had, apparently, a great relationship with a few other top recruits. Supposedly Carnell Tate is on our radar as WR and had a great relationship with Nico. I believe he retweeted the commitment announcement.
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No doubt if you are passing out money many will come. But one thing I have found about recruiting is that the old "I am going to go where so and so goes" rarely if ever works out. And when it does, it's a player or two, not 20 or 25. That said, certain players can be pied pipers ... I suspect that Manning will be wherever he ends up. As the no. 4 ranked player, from SoCal, does he have the pull? Justin Fields did at UGA, but it was a hand full of players, not the whole class.
 
Volbound1700 said:
That is the plan. Apparently Nico has a lot of relationships. Still too early to identify, correctly, the layout of the 2023 class. However, getting a big name recruit catches eyeballs and makes other recruits consider going to Tennessee. That and Nico had, apparently, a great relationship with a few other top recruits. Supposedly Carnell Tate is on our radar as WR and had a great relationship with Nico. I believe he retweeted the commitment announcement.
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The only way you will sway a top recruit is if you pay that recruit like you did Nico. They aren't going to Tennessee empty handed just because Nico is there, after making it public what you paid Nico. I don't care how "great" the relationships are.
It sounds good, but the elite recruits have every elite school knocking on their door and they will go to the elite school unless you give them an absurd amount of money like Nico.
The crystal balls are all on Ohio State right now. So while an elite QB does help recruit a class, when those elite recruits know what the school gave that recruit -- they will all have their hands out now. So if Tennessee offers 7 figures to Carnell Tate, sure he will choose Tennessee over OSU, Georgia, Alabama. If Tennessee doesn't, he will go to OSU, who produces 1st round NFL draft picks on a yearly basis it seems.
 


ROLL DAMN TAMPERING!!!
 
Mistaken4193 said:
He tried to warn y’all about the portal. Y’all just didn’t listen.

After Already adding Jermaine Burton, Jahmyr Gibbs, and Eli Ricks…….Today Alabama added:



And now we are expected to add:


Alabama had probably Sabans weakest team (other than 07) last year and still won the SEC and played for National Title. Y’all might as well not even show up this year.
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And looks like you will lose Eli Ricks for the first half of the first game. T's and P's

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Bama CB Ricks arrested for speeding, marijuana

Alabama newcomer and former LSU All-American cornerback Eli Ricks was booked on charges of speeding, driving without insurance and possession of marijuana on Sunday evening in Mississippi.
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Did Eli ricks die? Haven’t heard his name all year
 
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