FSU Leaving the ACC?

Thiefery said:
yeah.. i think they can get out but it's gonna cost a lot.. UT and ou worked something out after ESPN threw the Big12 a huge bone
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$120 million for the buyout, about $350 million in media rights. FSU doesn't have that kind of money. This guy is an idiot ... he's out of his range on this.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
$120 million for the buyout, about $350 million in media rights. FSU doesn't have that kind of money. This guy is an idiot ... he's out of his range on this.
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FSU would need the help with at least 2 maybe 3 other schools to fight the GOR.. But that will take time and money and if they are that strapped for cash and worried about future payouts.. yikes
 
Thiefery said:
FSU would need the help with at least 2 maybe 3 other schools to fight the GOR.. But that will take time and money and if they are that strapped for cash and worried about future payouts.. yikes
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As an attorney, I am incredibly amused that anyone thinks they can break the GOR. I hope they try, it'll be great entertainment.

1. OU and TX, with all their resources and wealth, and with only a 3 or 4 year period to work with and couldn't do it. FSU is locked in for 13 years. That's 4X the amount at risk. The ACC will fight it to the end.

2. FSU and others are considered sophisticated entities, with legions of attorneys. They aren't some rubes who got taken advantage of.

3. In fact, what makes the ACC GOR even more ironclad is that it was written due to a team - Maryland - leaving. So, they can't say they didn't know what they were doing. They were specifically writing an agreement to make it so that teams could not and would not leave the conference early. The exact reason they entered the agreement was so that a team couldn't see that they could make more money elsewhere and leave. Exactly what FSU is trying to do.

4. GORs are not in any way novel. They have been used in entertainment law for a century. They have been litigated hundreds of times. The arguments are known. The language in the GOR will have been lifted directly from case law approving of said language. I know this because I was undefeated defending yellow pages contracts - the language came directly from case law that had been litigated in all 50 states. The GOR will be the same.

5. FSU has zero leverage here to force the ACC to do anything. They better hope they are really back, because they will have a target on them from all the other teams that aren't good enough to get an FSU share.

Now, only if they would have incorporated in Delaware, they could have gotten out of it.
 
Volbound1700 said:
Is Syracuse far enough away that they don't bring NYC and NJ? For example take the Knoxville-Memphis example that I gave. Tennessee still has a significant presence in Memphis but it is as far if not further from UTK as Syracuse is from NYC. Syracuse is still a New York University.
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I think we need a New Yorker to chime in on that. I think it is too far away from the city but I cant say for sure.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Rutgers, which is in NJ, brought in NJ. The coup was that it also put the BTN into all cable households in NY as "in footprint" subscribers. That was worth tens of millions of dollars to the BTN. Syracuse would have delivered NY, but maybe not southern NY which is NYC, and not NJ.
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Thanks, I was wondering... I know Rutgers was closer but Syracuse seems like an overall larger money maker and a stronger brand.

Granted, Syracuse was putrid in Football at the time of that expansion so that didn't help their case either.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
As an attorney, I am incredibly amused that anyone thinks they can break the GOR. I hope they try, it'll be great entertainment.

1. OU and TX, with all their resources and wealth, and with only a 3 or 4 year period to work with and couldn't do it. FSU is locked in for 13 years. That's 4X the amount at risk. The ACC will fight it to the end.

2. FSU and others are considered sophisticated entities, with legions of attorneys. They aren't some rubes who got taken advantage of.

3. In fact, what makes the ACC GOR even more ironclad is that it was written due to a team - Maryland - leaving. So, they can't say they didn't know what they were doing. They were specifically writing an agreement to make it so that teams could not and would not leave the conference early. The exact reason they entered the agreement was so that a team couldn't see that they could make more money elsewhere and leave. Exactly what FSU is trying to do.

4. GORs are not in any way novel. They have been used in entertainment law for a century. They have been litigated hundreds of times. The arguments are known. The language in the GOR will have been lifted directly from case law approving of said language. I know this because I was undefeated defending yellow pages contracts - the language came directly from case law that had been litigated in all 50 states. The GOR will be the same.

5. FSU has zero leverage here to force the ACC to do anything. They better hope they are really back, because they will have a target on them from all the other teams that aren't good enough to get an FSU share.

Now, only if they would have incorporated in Delaware, they could have gotten out of it.
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The thing is that I agree with all your posts related to realignment but your "absolutism" is what I disagree with. I think you are 85-90% right but not 100%. It is funny coming from a lawyer that you would guarantee 100% that the GOR is enforceable. Nothing in law is 100% based on my experience and politics often trump good law unfortunately.

One red herring is that if Rick DeSantis' office and the Florida Legislature decide that it is not in FSU's best interest, as a public institute, to stay in the ACC and take legislative action, the GOR is gone. There is no way a GOR is going to trump a State Ruling. The GOR would be unenforceable because you literally have no Executive Enforcement then to back it. Judicial decisions have been ignored or overturned constantly. I guess someone could go to the Federal Government to get it enforced but even the Federal Government is unlikely to care or do anything. Heck, they could pass a law citing some health and safety issue with the student athletes to get out of the ACC, it would be that simple and that law, based on welfare of the athlete, would be enforceable and they would have the political cache to back it up as well. This is why being a public, educational institute, is, in my opinion, a gamechanger. The focus would be on the student athletes and not some football money or tv deals.

That being said, I don't think FSU has that political cause or good will so all of that is a mute point.

Now one major issue with FSU is the fact that their TV deal is with ESPN. ESPN is also the SEC provider. This makes any action to get out ludicrous because ESPN is going to control FSU's future fate as well. I guess FSU could run to FOX and the B1G as another option.

A judge or jury could also rule against the GOR for a variety of reasons. I haven't seen the contract and I doubt anyone on here has so I am not sure how ironclad this contract may be. There could be an out.

My speculation for the ACC to expand to renegotiate was perhaps based on clauses that I saw in other TV contracts but may not be in the ACC TV contract.

As stated numerous times, I do think this is FSU's attempt to renegotiate terms on the TV deal and not a move to leave the conference. When teams have moved conferences, they have done it quietly. This was the case with OU, Texas, UCLA, and USC.

The conference we should be watching right now for realignment is the Pac12 (and Big12/B1G).

I disagree with you on whether the SEC would bring in FSU. FSU makes enough $$$$ to drive value in being added to the SEC plus FSU versus SEC schools would draw eyeballs. Issue is that the SEC doesn't have a reason, right now, to go out of the way or make sacrifices to include FSU so at the present, you are correct. SEC is probably more worried about how to integrate OU and Texas and get the 16-team format to work than what is going on with the ACC.
 
Volbound1700 said:
The thing is that I agree with all your posts related to realignment but your "absolutism" is what I disagree with. I think you are 85-90% right but not 100%. It is funny coming from a lawyer that you would guarantee 100% that the GOR is enforceable. Nothing in law is 100% based on my experience and politics often trump good law unfortunately.

One red herring is that if Rick DeSantis' office and the Florida Legislature decide that it is not in FSU's best interest, as a public institute, to stay in the ACC and take legislative action, the GOR is gone. There is no way a GOR is going to trump a State Ruling. The GOR would be unenforceable because you literally have no Executive Enforcement then to back it. Judicial decisions have been ignored or overturned constantly. I guess someone could go to the Federal Government to get it enforced but even the Federal Government is unlikely to care or do anything. Heck, they could pass a law citing some health and safety issue with the student athletes to get out of the ACC, it would be that simple and that law, based on welfare of the athlete, would be enforceable and they would have the political cache to back it up as well. This is why being a public, educational institute, is, in my opinion, a gamechanger. The focus would be on the student athletes and not some football money or tv deals.

That being said, I don't think FSU has that political cause or good will so all of that is a mute point.

Now one major issue with FSU is the fact that their TV deal is with ESPN. ESPN is also the SEC provider. This makes any action to get out ludicrous because ESPN is going to control FSU's future fate as well. I guess FSU could run to FOX and the B1G as another option.

A judge or jury could also rule against the GOR for a variety of reasons. I haven't seen the contract and I doubt anyone on here has so I am not sure how ironclad this contract may be. There could be an out.

My speculation for the ACC to expand to renegotiate was perhaps based on clauses that I saw in other TV contracts but may not be in the ACC TV contract.

As stated numerous times, I do think this is FSU's attempt to renegotiate terms on the TV deal and not a move to leave the conference. When teams have moved conferences, they have done it quietly. This was the case with OU, Texas, UCLA, and USC.

The conference we should be watching right now for realignment is the Pac12 (and Big12/B1G).

I disagree with you on whether the SEC would bring in FSU. FSU makes enough $$$$ to drive value in being added to the SEC plus FSU versus SEC schools would draw eyeballs. Issue is that the SEC doesn't have a reason, right now, to go out of the way or make sacrifices to include FSU so at the present, you are correct. SEC is probably more worried about how to integrate OU and Texas and get the 16-team format to work than what is going on with the ACC.
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You have a way inflated opinion of what the state can do. DeSantis can whine all he wants, he can't break contracts and not pay for it. Now, if he wants to pony up half a billion to get FSU out, the ACC will take the money and run. But he won't do that. Yes, the GOR trumps anything the state can do. Man, you have a weird opinion of what our government can do.

Give me one valid reason that a judge would find the GOR invalid. Read my past posts on this. It's rock solid. It's not novel law. OU and TX couldn't do it, FSU won't.

FSU is blowing smoke. That's it.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
As an attorney, I am incredibly amused that anyone thinks they can break the GOR. I hope they try, it'll be great entertainment.

1. OU and TX, with all their resources and wealth, and with only a 3 or 4 year period to work with and couldn't do it. FSU is locked in for 13 years. That's 4X the amount at risk. The ACC will fight it to the end.

2. FSU and others are considered sophisticated entities, with legions of attorneys. They aren't some rubes who got taken advantage of.

3. In fact, what makes the ACC GOR even more ironclad is that it was written due to a team - Maryland - leaving. So, they can't say they didn't know what they were doing. They were specifically writing an agreement to make it so that teams could not and would not leave the conference early. The exact reason they entered the agreement was so that a team couldn't see that they could make more money elsewhere and leave. Exactly what FSU is trying to do.

4. GORs are not in any way novel. They have been used in entertainment law for a century. They have been litigated hundreds of times. The arguments are known. The language in the GOR will have been lifted directly from case law approving of said language. I know this because I was undefeated defending yellow pages contracts - the language came directly from case law that had been litigated in all 50 states. The GOR will be the same.

5. FSU has zero leverage here to force the ACC to do anything. They better hope they are really back, because they will have a target on them from all the other teams that aren't good enough to get an FSU share.

Now, only if they would have incorporated in Delaware, they could have gotten out of it.
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Texas and ou had two things to worry about when the news first broke that they would be leaving.. actually 3 issues come to think of it. The news was not supposed to come out to the public when it did. They were going to keep that underwraps for another year.

They had to wait for the Big12 to either implode or stabilize itself.. and finally when the Big12 was ready to negotiate after agreeing to bringing in 4 new schools.. Fox was the last hurdle. The conference buyout wasn't a thing since it normally is reduced to 60% of whatever the conference is asking. However due to the conference having 2 media partners that was the roadblock. ESPN was ready..Fox wasn't.. and no matter what deal the other 3 came to agreement with..FOX had the veto power.

Problem for FSU is that they are wanting a possible move with more than a decade left in their agreement..and the bigger problem is ESPN.. ESPN didn't have a network channel to worry about in the Big12.. they had 3rd tier rights to multiple schools there.

ESPN has the ACC network, which is carried on almost every single platform.. LHN wasn't. They have no incentive to blow up the ACC right now this early, PLUS they are paying a bargain price for it.

FSU has no leverage, which is why they are talking tough to the press.. they are trying to put pressure on the ACC for unequal shares when the new CFP money is coming through..problem is.. when you come out like this it rubs other schools who's best bet is to stay in the ACC the wrong way. Why would Pitt or NC St give up it's shares now? They can agree to give them an extra 8-12 mil a year and guess what? They probably bail anyways when the 20 year agreement comes to a close.

So if I were the other schools, i'd tell them shut up and figure it out.. challenge ESPN/ACC/GOR or get back in line
 
The ACC wanted a binding agreement to keep the conference intact. They created one and every member school is bound by it.

The GOR is doing EXACTLY what it was designed to do. Keep the schools from bolting and destroying the conference.

FSU is Full of Shit U. They have nothing, doesn't mean they can't pretend and threaten, but at the end of the day they aren't going anywhere for a long time. Same with everyone else.

ACC schools have never balked at adding shitty teams so they could do it again and renegotiate to a point nobody is really interested in leaving.

The only way the GOR end happens is if enough schools decide all at once to leave and the ACC devolves as a conference by default. But for that to happen the other conferences would have to initiate a simultaneous raid on the ACC and the leaving schools would all have to be in on the agreement to do it. Smells like a whole bunch of lawsuits to me.

ACC has 10 more years as it is now annobody is s leaving.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
You have a way inflated opinion of what the state can do. DeSantis can whine all he wants, he can't break contracts and not pay for it. Now, if he wants to pony up half a billion to get FSU out, the ACC will take the money and run. But he won't do that. Yes, the GOR trumps anything the state can do. Man, you have a weird opinion of what our government can do.

Give me one valid reason that a judge would find the GOR invalid. Read my past posts on this. It's rock solid. It's not novel law. OU and TX couldn't do it, FSU won't.

FSU is blowing smoke. That's it.
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Based on what little I know, I agree with you.

I don't agree with your arrogance, certainty, etc. on the topic and it makes me think you are not a lawyer. I would not trust a lawyer that guarantees 100% wins because those are the cases people end up losing. OJ Simpson looked like a slam dunk but that turned out differently. Also Judicial cases have been ignored with enough backing politically. You did not even address my comment about student athletes. That is a HUGE game changer because these decisions impact Education and Voters. These are not private companies. It opens up other items that would be at least discussed or challenged. One classic case we talk about is Dredd Scott. Most states in the North totally refused to enforce that Supreme Court Ruling. Andrew Jackson did the same thing with Worcester vs. Georgia. You can't enforce Judicial rulings without support from the Executive Branch. The Legislative Branch can also step in and totally overturn decisions. They have forced schools to play each other in the past. I don't think that would happen here but it is a feasible scenario.

I have seen iron clad agreements broken for social/political reasons. I imagine the Florida State AD and Clemson AD plus their lawyers have something or else they wouldn't be making noise. But then again, they are stupid and you know everything. Sorry, I don't trust an anonymous message board person that much. Keep in mind that NONE of us have even seen the contract so I can't make a 100% guarantee on a contract that I have never seen nor would I.

I guess running off your comments, why are Clemson and FSU challenging it right now publicly? What do they hope to gain if they are locked in and there is nothing they can do? Big University officers don't get up and challenge stuff on a whim based on my experience. This was the logic Josh Pate was pointing out and he said people with the in-side info that he knows says there is something about the GOR that isn't making it that iron tight. Go watch his video.

Also making 100% guarantees on contracts that you have never read is very scary.

I probably shouldn't make a big deal of it because, from what I know and see which isn't much, I agree with your posts in theme but it is your "I am 100% right" attitude that has me stepping back.
 
Thiefery said:
Texas and ou had two things to worry about when the news first broke that they would be leaving.. actually 3 issues come to think of it. The news was not supposed to come out to the public when it did. They were going to keep that underwraps for another year.

They had to wait for the Big12 to either implode or stabilize itself.. and finally when the Big12 was ready to negotiate after agreeing to bringing in 4 new schools.. Fox was the last hurdle. The conference buyout wasn't a thing since it normally is reduced to 60% of whatever the conference is asking. However due to the conference having 2 media partners that was the roadblock. ESPN was ready..Fox wasn't.. and no matter what deal the other 3 came to agreement with..FOX had the veto power.

Problem for FSU is that they are wanting a possible move with more than a decade left in their agreement..and the bigger problem is ESPN.. ESPN didn't have a network channel to worry about in the Big12.. they had 3rd tier rights to multiple schools there.

ESPN has the ACC network, which is carried on almost every single platform.. LHN wasn't. They have no incentive to blow up the ACC right now this early, PLUS they are paying a bargain price for it.

FSU has no leverage, which is why they are talking tough to the press.. they are trying to put pressure on the ACC for unequal shares when the new CFP money is coming through..problem is.. when you come out like this it rubs other schools who's best bet is to stay in the ACC the wrong way. Why would Pitt or NC St give up it's shares now? They can agree to give them an extra 8-12 mil a year and guess what? They probably bail anyways when the 20 year agreement comes to a close.

So if I were the other schools, i'd tell them shut up and figure it out.. challenge ESPN/ACC/GOR or get back in line
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Well stated, IMO.
 
rfjeff9 said:
The ACC wanted a binding agreement to keep the conference intact. They created one and every member school is bound by it.

The GOR is doing EXACTLY what it was designed to do. Keep the schools from bolting and destroying the conference.

FSU is Full of Shit U. They have nothing, doesn't mean they can't pretend and threaten, but at the end of the day they aren't going anywhere for a long time. Same with everyone else.

ACC schools have never balked at adding shitty teams so they could do it again and renegotiate to a point nobody is really interested in leaving.

The only way the GOR end happens is if enough schools decide all at once to leave and the ACC devolves as a conference by default. But for that to happen the other conferences would have to initiate a simultaneous raid on the ACC and the leaving schools would all have to be in on the agreement to do it. Smells like a whole bunch of lawsuits to me.

ACC has 10 more years as it is now annobody is s leaving.
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Back to back well stated, IMO. This is a bunch of bluster. Fuck off, FSU.
 
Thiefery said:
Texas and ou had two things to worry about when the news first broke that they would be leaving.. actually 3 issues come to think of it. The news was not supposed to come out to the public when it did. They were going to keep that underwraps for another year.

They had to wait for the Big12 to either implode or stabilize itself.. and finally when the Big12 was ready to negotiate after agreeing to bringing in 4 new schools.. Fox was the last hurdle. The conference buyout wasn't a thing since it normally is reduced to 60% of whatever the conference is asking. However due to the conference having 2 media partners that was the roadblock. ESPN was ready..Fox wasn't.. and no matter what deal the other 3 came to agreement with..FOX had the veto power.

Problem for FSU is that they are wanting a possible move with more than a decade left in their agreement..and the bigger problem is ESPN.. ESPN didn't have a network channel to worry about in the Big12.. they had 3rd tier rights to multiple schools there.

ESPN has the ACC network, which is carried on almost every single platform.. LHN wasn't. They have no incentive to blow up the ACC right now this early, PLUS they are paying a bargain price for it.

FSU has no leverage, which is why they are talking tough to the press.. they are trying to put pressure on the ACC for unequal shares when the new CFP money is coming through..problem is.. when you come out like this it rubs other schools who's best bet is to stay in the ACC the wrong way. Why would Pitt or NC St give up it's shares now? They can agree to give them an extra 8-12 mil a year and guess what? They probably bail anyways when the 20 year agreement comes to a close.

So if I were the other schools, i'd tell them shut up and figure it out.. challenge ESPN/ACC/GOR or get back in line
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I agree with most of this but the "shut up and get back in line" attitude can't be done because although you have the GOR (which no one on here has read but let's assume there isn't any loop holes), FSU can still leave in 2034 when it ends. Long term, you still have to take it serious because all you can do is delay the inevitable.

Also it isn't just FSU, Clemson is basically making the same noise. (If they are going revenue sharing, Miami would have an argument to get more as well).

I guess the big take on my end is people on here say it is impossible for FSU to lose, I am saying it is improbably. I don't think we have all the facts of what is going on and the ACC GOR may NOT be the same as the Big12 GOR.

I also think there are legal theories/arguments that could end the GOR. They are a major stretch and fall into that improbable category and I wouldn't bank on them but to say that they can't 100% win on these theories is where I disagree.
 
Volbound1700 said:
Based on what little I know, I agree with you.

I don't agree with your arrogance, certainty, etc. on the topic and it makes me think you are not a lawyer. I would not trust a lawyer that guarantees 100% wins because those are the cases people end up losing. OJ Simpson looked like a slam dunk but that turned out differently. Also Judicial cases have been ignored with enough backing politically. You did not even address my comment about student athletes. That is a HUGE game changer because these decisions impact Education and Voters. These are not private companies. It opens up other items that would be at least discussed or challenged. One classic case we talk about is Dredd Scott. Most states in the North totally refused to enforce that Supreme Court Ruling. Andrew Jackson did the same thing with Worcester vs. Georgia. You can't enforce Judicial rulings without support from the Executive Branch. The Legislative Branch can also step in and totally overturn decisions. They have forced schools to play each other in the past. I don't think that would happen here but it is a feasible scenario.

I have seen iron clad agreements broken for social/political reasons. I imagine the Florida State AD and Clemson AD plus their lawyers have something or else they wouldn't be making noise. But then again, they are stupid and you know everything. Sorry, I don't trust an anonymous message board person that much. Keep in mind that NONE of us have even seen the contract so I can't make a 100% guarantee on a contract that I have never seen nor would I.

I guess running off your comments, why are Clemson and FSU challenging it right now publicly? What do they hope to gain if they are locked in and there is nothing they can do? Big University officers don't get up and challenge stuff on a whim based on my experience. This was the logic Josh Pate was pointing out and he said people with the in-side info that he knows says there is something about the GOR that isn't making it that iron tight. Go watch his video.

Also making 100% guarantees on contracts that you have never read is very scary.

I probably shouldn't make a big deal of it because, from what I know and see which isn't much, I agree with your posts in theme but it is your "I am 100% right" attitude that has me stepping back.
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Wrong side of the bed day for you? Go take your meds and then come back.

1. This is a fucking sports board. Do you really think I would ever guarantee anything to a client? I can say whatever the fuck I want here, with whatever level of "arrogance" (you seem to be an insecure twit) and if I am wrong you get all happy and post some posts telling me I am wrong. Like I give a fuck. If I do that with clients, I get a malpractice suit. Can you not see the difference?

1a. "I don't trust an anonymous message board person that much." The fuck are you talking about. Do I look like I am trying to get you as a client? I don't care what you think or whether you trust me or not. I'll put out my info and opinions. Believe it or not. No fucks given what you do.

2. It's up to you whether you believe I am an attorney or not. Do you think I care if some toothless, hillbilly, UTjr fan got his panties in a twist because I disagreed with him, and is now saying you don't think I am a lawyer? GTFOH. UGA Law School 1986, member of the Georgia Bar for 36 years.

3. Just because you post doesn't mean I have to respond. You keep throwing out this conspiracy "the government" is going to do this or that bullshit I will respond less and less. I mean you have literally posted here and before that a university can simply ignore judgments against it. I'm not sure I have ever seen something so stupid and devoid of legal understanding.

The rest of your post is a bunch of moronic rambling - Dred Scott, LOL. Go take your meds.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Wrong side of the bed day for you? Go take your meds and then come back.

1. This is a fucking sports board. Do you really think I would ever guarantee anything to a client? I can say whatever the fuck I want here, with whatever level of "arrogance" (you seem to be an insecure twit) and if I am wrong you get all happy and post some posts telling me I am wrong. Like I give a fuck. If I do that with clients, I get a malpractice suit. Can you not see the difference?

1a. "I don't trust an anonymous message board person that much." The fuck are you talking about. Do I look like I am trying to get you as a client? I don't care what you think or whether you trust me or not. I'll put out my info and opinions. Believe it or not. No fucks given what you do.

2. It's up to you whether you believe I am an attorney or not. Do you think I care if some toothless, hillbilly, UTjr fan got his panties in a twist because I disagreed with him, and is now saying you don't think I am a lawyer? GTFOH. UGA Law School 1986, member of the Georgia Bar for 36 years.

3. Just because you post doesn't mean I have to respond. You keep throwing out this conspiracy "the government" is going to do this or that bullshit I will respond less and less. I mean you have literally posted here and before that a university can simply ignore judgments against it. I'm not sure I have ever seen something so stupid and devoid of legal understanding.

The rest of your post is a bunch of moronic rambling - Dred Scott, LOL. Go take your meds.
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What a baby...
 
Volbound1700 said:
I agree with most of this but the "shut up and get back in line" attitude can't be done because although you have the GOR (which no one on here has read but let's assume there isn't any loop holes), FSU can still leave in 2034 when it ends. Long term, you still have to take it serious because all you can do is delay the inevitable.

Also it isn't just FSU, Clemson is basically making the same noise. (If they are going revenue sharing, Miami would have an argument to get more as well).
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yeah but they would leave regardless..no way the ACC makes up that gap..which is why the others should not take a paycut because FSU is throwing a tantrum.

Gotta throw honor/loyalty/friendship out the window..it's about the bottom line, and if the BiG or SEC comes calling FSU will jump in 2036
 
Volbound1700 said:
I agree with most of this but the "shut up and get back in line" attitude can't be done because although you have the GOR (which no one on here has read but let's assume there isn't any loop holes), FSU can still leave in 2034 when it ends. Long term, you still have to take it serious because all you can do is delay the inevitable.

Also it isn't just FSU, Clemson is basically making the same noise. (If they are going revenue sharing, Miami would have an argument to get more as well).

I guess the big take on my end is people on here say it is impossible for FSU to lose, I am saying it is improbably. I don't think we have all the facts of what is going on and the ACC GOR may NOT be the same as the Big12 GOR.

I also think there are legal theories/arguments that could end the GOR. They are a major stretch and fall into that improbable category and I wouldn't bank on them but to say that they can't 100% win on these theories is where I disagree.
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No you don't. When a little boy whines you don't give in. When a puppy misbehaves you smack them on the nose with a newspaper. FSU is simply whining. The ACC will not likely survive 2036 no matter what they do for FSU right now. Why give an inch when they are gone from the ACC in 2037 already? Just tell them to fuck off on the way out the door.
 
Thiefery said:
yeah but they would leave regardless..no way the ACC makes up that gap..which is why the others should not take a paycut because FSU is throwing a tantrum.

Gotta throw honor/loyalty/friendship out the window..it's about the bottom line, and if the BiG or SEC comes calling FSU will jump in 2036
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I agree, the ACC just has to be diplomatic about it.
 
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