HooplaNation's 2023 CFB Week 8 Rankings - Discussion Thread

Across The Field said:
Eh I guess. UCLA beat Wazzou, who is better than Clemson's best win, and UCLA hasn't been smoked the way Clemson was vs. Duke and they also have struggled vs a shitty team like WF. UCLA just looks better right now.

Yep Leonard being out really sucks for them. I hope he's at least able to be back by the UNC game.

I don't think App State is "really bad". They have an OT loss and two 3-point losses to solid G5s. BC lost to a bad P5 and barely beat an FCS school. I also don't know what you mean by my "own rankings". I just know BC is awful and has been on a downward spiral for several years while App State has played very strongly vs P5 teams for years while normally winning 9+ games. They're just a better program.
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And UCLA struggled against an equally bad CCU team.

App State is really bad this year. Yes, they are a great program, but that's not the case this year. You're not penalizing UNC for their bad game, but are for FSU.

When I say your rankings I mean your top 25 rankings. Duke hasn't beaten anybody in your rankings, and has a loss to a team in your rankings. Oregon State has one win against a team in your rankings and a loss to an unranked team in your rankings. FSU has a win against a team in your rankings.
 
ericd7633 said:
Yeah, but this App State team isn't any good. Worst team since they joined FBS.
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Kind of an overreaction. Season’s only half-over.

App St’s an enigma with a 3-3 record rn. Struggle wins vs crap teams and razor-thin, rollercoaster losses to solid teams.

The 2014 (7-5) & 2022 (6-6) teams were probably worse, tbh.
 
ericd7633 said:
And UCLA struggled against an equally bad CCU team.

App State is really bad this year. Yes, they are a great program, but that's not the case this year. You're not penalizing UNC for their bad game, but are for FSU.

When I say your rankings I mean your top 25 rankings. Duke hasn't beaten anybody in your rankings, and has a loss to a team in your rankings. Oregon State has one win against a team in your rankings and a loss to an unranked team in your rankings. FSU has a win against a team in your rankings.
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Again, barely escaping by 2 isn't the same as winning by 14, come on now. I'd disagree that they're "really bad". They're literally a few bounces away from being unbeaten. Meanwhile, BC is very lucky to not be 0-6. Fortunately for them, they won't face UNC. I can guarantee they wouldn't be taking them to OT like App did.

I see what you mean by rankings. You're right about Duke, but they were obviously significantly more convincing against Clemson than FSU was, and they took what I believe to be a pretty good ND team to the end. With a healthy Riley Leonard, I have them ahead of FSU but I suppose it isn't fair for me to include that as part of my rankings. Like I said, this weekend will put that to bed either way. Oregon State has a win vs. a good Utah team, who is better than LSU, and they also beat UCLA who I went back and forth with in my rankings. That UCLA team will be ranked at some point though, as I see 8-4 as their basement at this point. Either way, bottom line is I'm just not impressed overall with FSU.
 
Knight&Day said:
Kind of an overreaction. Season’s only half-over.

App St’s an enigma with a 3-3 record rn. Struggle wins vs crap teams and razor-thin, rollercoaster losses to solid teams.

The 2014 (7-5) & 2022 (6-6) teams were probably worse, tbh.
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This year they are ranked #83 in the Massey Composite. Last year they were #76. Not a big difference so if you want to argue one way or another, I'm okay with that. But from a results standpoint, they started off last year better. Maybe they will close better than they did last year and outperform what they did in 2022.

For reference their 2014 was #88 in the Massey Composite, so as of now they are slightly better than that. But they aren't a good team this season.
 
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Across The Field said:
Again, barely escaping by 2 isn't the same as winning by 14, come on now. I'd disagree that they're "really bad". They're literally a few bounces away from being unbeaten. Meanwhile, BC is very lucky to not be 0-6. Fortunately for them, they won't face UNC. I can guarantee they wouldn't be taking them to OT like App did.

I see what you mean by rankings. You're right about Duke, but they were obviously significantly more convincing against Clemson than FSU was, and they took what I believe to be a pretty good ND team to the end. With a healthy Riley Leonard, I have them ahead of FSU but I suppose it isn't fair for me to include that as part of my rankings. Like I said, this weekend will put that to bed either way. Oregon State has a win vs. a good Utah team, who is better than LSU, and they also beat UCLA who I went back and forth with in my rankings. That UCLA team will be ranked at some point though, as I see 8-4 as their basement at this point. Either way, bottom line is I'm just not impressed overall with FSU.
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Agreed, but overall it was still a bad performance by both teams. App State is really bad, yes slightly better than BC, but the only thing they've done well this season is have a close loss to UNC. They have a 1 point win over ULM, and struggled in wins against ECU and an FCS team. And lost to a bad CCU team. My point is both BC and App State are bad this season.

Yes, Oregon State has 2 quality wins(I'd agree slightly better than what FSU has). But they've also got a loss to a now unranked team.
 
ericd7633 said:
Agreed, but overall it was still a bad performance by both teams. App State is really bad, yes slightly better than BC, but the only thing they've done well this season is have a close loss to UNC. They have a 1 point win over ULM, and struggled in wins against ECU and an FCS team. And lost to a bad CCU team. My point is both BC and App State are bad this season.

Yes, Oregon State has 2 quality wins(I'd agree slightly better than what FSU has). But they've also got a loss to a now unranked team.
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"struggles" had in games when you win by 15 and 21 don't really resonate as much as major struggles in games that end up being extremely close. I can very easily say the same thing about FSU vs. a bad VT team at home. It means they eventually pulled away, which FSU did vs. VT, but is not what happened for FSU against BC. If you're going to ding App for their "struggles", you rightfully need to do the same for FSU, especially considering the talent gap FSU has vs those teams.

I'm also very high on what Oregon State is doing overall. I think they're better coached than FSU, and you could argue DJU has been better than Jordan Travis so far. FSU probably has more talent but we both know that doesn't always matter in CFB (see: Duke/Clemson).
 
Across The Field said:
"struggles" had in games when you win by 15 and 21 don't really resonate as much as major struggles in games that end up being extremely close. I can very easily say the same thing about FSU vs. a bad VT team at home. It means they eventually pulled away, which FSU did vs. VT, but is not what happened for FSU against BC. If you're going to ding App for their "struggles", you rightfully need to do the same for FSU, especially considering the talent gap FSU has vs those teams.

I'm also very high on what Oregon State is doing overall. I think they're better coached than FSU, and you could argue DJU has been better than Jordan Travis so far. FSU probably has more talent but we both know that doesn't always matter in CFB (see: Duke/Clemson).
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App State was only up by a score in both heading to the 4th quarter. FSU was up by 2 scores mid-way through the 3rd against VT. Certainly not a great performance by FSU though. I have dinged FSU for their game against BC. I had FSU at #2 at one point during the season and now I have them 5th. Also, outside of Michigan and PSU(who neither have played anyone) everyone has struggled this year against mediocre to bad teams.

And yeah, I like Oregon State too. I think they are a very good team. But they do have a loss to a team that rates very similarly to Clemson, a team FSU beat on the road.
 
ericd7633 said:
App State was only up by a score in both heading to the 4th quarter. FSU was up by 2 scores mid-way through the 3rd against VT. Certainly not a great performance by FSU though. I have dinged FSU for their game against BC. I had FSU at #2 at one point during the season and now I have them 5th. Also, outside of Michigan and PSU(who neither have played anyone) everyone has struggled this year against mediocre to bad teams.

And yeah, I like Oregon State too. I think they are a very good team. But they do have a loss to a team that rates very similarly to Clemson, a team FSU beat on the road.
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Again, you have to consider the talent gap between App and those two teams and FSU against BC and VT. Bottom line, App pulled away in both games, while FSU still barely escaped a bad BC who lost to Northern Illinois and barely escaped Holy Cross. Also, I wouldn't say neither michigan nor PSU has struggled. michigan needed to pull away in the 2nd half vs. a horrible BG team while PSU inexplicably struggled with NW before finally pulling away later in the 2nd half. Those games both should've been blowouts from the start but were anything but.

I won't argue your thoughts on FSU being ahead of Oregon State, they're perfectly valid. It's just my own opinion on FSU. It's unfortunate we likely won't get a good idea vs Duke without Riley Leonard, but if they struggle again, I don't plan on moving them up much.
 
Across The Field said:
Again, you have to consider the talent gap between App and those two teams and FSU against BC and VT. Bottom line, App pulled away in both games, while FSU still barely escaped a bad BC who lost to Northern Illinois and barely escaped Holy Cross. Also, I wouldn't say neither michigan nor PSU has struggled. michigan needed to pull away in the 2nd half vs. a horrible BG team while PSU inexplicably struggled with NW before finally pulling away later in the 2nd half. Those games both should've been blowouts from the start but were anything but.

I won't argue your thoughts on FSU being ahead of Oregon State, they're perfectly valid. It's just my own opinion on FSU. It's unfortunate we likely won't get a good idea vs Duke without Riley Leonard, but if they struggle again, I don't plan on moving them up much.
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All fair points. I would be intrigued by an Oregon State/FSU game. It would be a nice contrast of styles.
 
ericd7633 said:
All fair points. I would be intrigued by an Oregon State/FSU game. It would be a nice contrast of styles.
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It'd make for an awesome NY6 game but Oregon State still has to beat Washington and Oregon B2B weeks for that to happen unfortunately. I'm sure FSU will get by Duke without Leonard, but the UNC game is going to be great assuming UNC doesn't slip up. I'd say the winner of that game will be in the CFP more than likely (assuming Oklahoma/Georgia/Pac12 champ/Big10 champ don't all finish with an unbeaten record).

This coming Saturday will definitely shake things up a lot. Thankfully I've got nothing on my schedule but some light yardwork in the morning and then enjoy some beers in the living room all day :beer2:
 
Across The Field said:
It'd make for an awesome NY6 game but Oregon State still has to beat Washington and Oregon B2B weeks for that to happen unfortunately. I'm sure FSU will get by Duke without Leonard, but the UNC game is going to be great assuming UNC doesn't slip up. I'd say the winner of that game will be in the CFP more than likely (assuming Oklahoma/Georgia/Pac12 champ/Big10 champ don't all finish with an unbeaten record).

This coming Saturday will definitely shake things up a lot. Thankfully I've got nothing on my schedule but some light yardwork in the morning and then enjoy some beers in the living room all day :beer2:
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Yeah, looking like an FSU/UNC CG is almost guaranteed with an FSU win over Duke this weekend. Should be a great game.

Yeah, a lot going on this weekend. Perfectly spread out day with at least one marquee game in every window. OSU/PSU is going to get a monster rating. 10+ million maybe even 12+.
 
ericd7633 said:
Yeah, looking like an FSU/UNC CG is almost guaranteed with an FSU win over Duke this weekend. Should be a great game.

Yeah, a lot going on this weekend. Perfectly spread out day with at least one marquee game in every window. OSU/PSU is going to get a monster rating. 10+ million maybe even 12+.
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The ratings are cool and all, but Fox is really bending the B1G elite teams over with these constant noon kicks. I get OSU/michigan is always a noon kick, but now so is PSU at OSU and michigan at PSU. I was kind of relieved that Iowa beat Wisconsin last Saturday so we didn't go into that game with them only having 1-loss and Fox grabbing that one too. They could still grab it but having an OSU game two weeks in a row is overkill, so hopefully it's MSU at Minnesota.
 
Across The Field said:
"struggles" had in games when you win by 15 and 21 don't really resonate as much as major struggles in games that end up being extremely close. I can very easily say the same thing about FSU vs. a bad VT team at home. It means they eventually pulled away, which FSU did vs. VT, but is not what happened for FSU against BC. If you're going to ding App for their "struggles", you rightfully need to do the same for FSU, especially considering the talent gap FSU has vs those teams.

I'm also very high on what Oregon State is doing overall. I think they're better coached than FSU, and you could argue DJU has been better than Jordan Travis so far. FSU probably has more talent but we both know that doesn't always matter in CFB (see: Duke/Clemson).
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Ok that was funny and I like both players
 
TaikoTiger said:
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Ok that was funny and I like both players
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I'm interested in your thoughts without just jumping to hyperbole. DJU has a higher QB rating, more yards, a higher YPA, better TD%, and doesn't have freak WRs like Keon Coleman or Johnny Wilson that Travis has. Clemson might have messed up bad with DJU. Dude has never looked this good.
 
Across The Field said:
I'm interested in your thoughts without just jumping to hyperbole. DJU has a higher QB rating, more yards, a higher YPA, better TD%, and doesn't have freak WRs like Keon Coleman or Johnny Wilson that Travis has. Clemson might have messed up bad with DJU. Dude has never looked this good.
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Neither are high draft prospects but one is going undrafted, the other at least a team will take flyer on in the mid rounds.
DJ is a great kid, smart, and has arm talent but he's the same QB in a different scheme. Inconsistent accuracy, slow at processing plays after the snap and 0 ability to extend plays. Jordan Travis doesn't have off the charts accuracy and could be better at playing within the pocket but his ability to extend plays along is enough to take him over DJ and the passing concepts at FSU is a lot more complex than the play-action half field reads OrSt. Stat padding against San Jose St. and Cal is not going to change my mind on this
 
TaikoTiger said:
Neither are high draft prospects but one is going undrafted, the other at least a team will take flyer on in the mid rounds.
DJ is a great kid, smart, and has arm talent but he's the same QB in a different scheme. Inconsistent accuracy, slow at processing plays after the snap and 0 ability to extend plays. Jordan Travis doesn't have off the charts accuracy and could be better at playing within the pocket but his ability to extend plays along is enough to take him over DJ and the passing concepts at FSU is a lot more complex than the play-action half field reads OrSt. Stat padding against San Jose St. and Cal is not going to change my mind on this
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Not really talking about draft prospects here, of which I'm not sure either offers much. Travis is undersized and will be 24 by the draft. DJ is also old but he has the size and arm strength that scouts act like idiots over. If he can keep it up this year and have a solid combine I'm sure he'll get drafted.

Fact is, he's playing as well or better than Travis in several key areas, and if we're talking about how they'd perform in a H2H matchup in college, I see no reason to think Travis is somehow laughably better than DJU, as you suggested.
 
Getting the WR eligible has taken UNC up a notch or two imo.

Gonna be fun to see how they do if everyone stays healthy ect.
 
DG now 2nd favorite for Heisman

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