Poll HooplaNation's All-Time Greatest CFB Coach Tourney - #6 Switzer vs #7 Hayes

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Winners this week face each other for 5th Place. Losers face each other for 7th Place.

Poll is open for 4 days.

Week 12 | Consolation Semifinals

Matchup #23 (This thread) - #6 seed Barry Switzer vs #7 seed Woody Hayes
Matchup #24 (link) - #9 seed Bob Devaney vs #12 seed Bobby Bowden

Spoiler: Pre-Tournament Threads

HooplaNation's All-Time Greatest CFB Coach Tourney - Entry Thread

I am thinking 16-seed double-elimination bracket with semifinal losers going for 3rd, but could change on how these early threads go. Which coaches do you think should be included in this bracket? Don't have to rank them, just list.

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Poll - HooplaNation's All-Time Greatest CFB Coach Tourney - Bracket Builder #1

The main purpose of this thread is to filter out those who will not be in the 16-man bracket. We will have two "Bracket Builder" threads and a "Seeding" thread. The seeding thread will be another thread like this thread, but will use the results to determine the seeds in the tournament. Vote...

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Poll - HooplaNation's All-Time Greatest CFB Coach Tourney - Bracket Builder #2

Vote for the maximum 8 coaches you feel are the greatest on this list of 18 coaches. The top 12-16 (depending on results) will make the Seeding thread. Poll is open for 4 days. Will be able to vote and change vote until close. These 12 coaches from Bracket Builder #1 thread advances to the...

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Poll - HooplaNation's All-Time Greatest CFB Coach Tourney - Seeding Thread

This thread will determine which 16 will make the tournament and what seed they receive. Coaches winning percentage will decide tie breakers. You have 4 days to vote for 8 coaches. Here is what the bracket looks like.

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Poll - HooplaNation's All-Time Greatest CFB Coach Tourney - Bottom Feeders

There was a coach I forgot to add, so here is a poll that will give him a chance - I am going to make one more poll before the tournament begins. This poll will determine seeds 13-16. You will be able to vote for 4 of these. Poll is open for 2 days. And again, seeds will be determined by...

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Spoiler: Round 1

Poll - HooplaNation's All-Time Greatest CFB Coach Tourney - 1 Saban vs 16 Heisman

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Poll - HooplaNation's All-Time Greatest CFB Coach Tourney - 8 Robinson vs 9 Devaney

Who do you think has/had a better CFB coaching career? Poll is open for 4 days Winners of this week matchups meet in the Quarterfinals and Losers meet up in the Elimination Round 11 Round 1 | Week 1 Matchup #1 (link) - #1 seed Nick Saban vs #16 John Heisman Matchup #2 (this thread) - #8...

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Poll - HooplaNation's All-Time Greatest CFB Coaches Tourney - 5 Meyer vs 12 Bowden

Posting this a night early because I will be busy tomorrow. Who do you think has/had a better CFB coaching career? Poll is open for 4 days Winners of this week matchups meet in the Quarterfinals and Losers meet up in the Elimination Round 11 Round 1 | Week 2 Matchup #3 (this thread) - #1...

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Poll - HooplaNation's All-Time Greatest CFB Coaches Tourney - 4 Wilkinson vs 13 Rockne

Posting this a night early because I will be busy tomorrow. Who do you think has/had a better CFB coaching career? Poll is open for 4 days Winners of this week matchups meet in the Quarterfinals and Losers meet up in the Elimination Round 11 Round 1 | Week 2 Matchup #3 (link) - #5 seed...

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Poll - HooplaNation's All-Time Greatest CFB Coaches Tourney - 3 Osborne vs 14 Warner

Posting this a night early because I will be busy tomorrow. Who do you think has/had a better CFB coaching career? Poll is open for 4 days Winners of this week matchups meet in the Quarterfinals and Losers meet up in the Elimination Round 11 Round 1 | Week 3 Matchup #5 (This thread) - #3...

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Poll - HooplaNation's All-Time Greatest CFB Coaches Tourney - 6 Switzer vs 11 Swinney

Posting this a night early because I will be busy tomorrow. Who do you think has/had a better CFB coaching career? Poll is open for 4 days Winners of this week matchups meet in the Quarterfinals and Losers meet up in the Elimination Round 11 Round 1 | Week 3 Matchup #5 (link) - #3 seed Tom...

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Poll - HooplaNation's All-Time Greatest CFB Coaches Tourney - 7 Hayes vs 10 Paterno

Who do you think has/had a better CFB coaching career? Poll is open for 4 days Winners of this week matchups meet in the Quarterfinals and Losers meet up in the Elimination Round 11 Round 1 | Week 4 Matchup #7 (This thread) - #7 seed Woody Hayes vs #10 seed Joe Paterno Matchup #8 (link) - #2...

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Poll - HooplaNation's All-Time Greatest CFB Coaches Tourney - 2 Bryant vs 15 Spurrier

Who do you think has/had a better CFB coaching career? Poll is open for 4 days Winners of this week matchups meet in the Quarterfinals and Losers meet up in the Elimination Round 11 Round 1 | Week 4 Matchup #7 (link) - #7 seed Woody Hayes vs #10 seed Joe Paterno Matchup #8 (This thread) - #2...

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Spoiler: Elimination Round 1

Poll - HooplaNation's All-Time Greatest CFB Coaches Tourney - 8 Robinson vs 16 Heisman

Almost forgot about this. Been quite busy. Loser of this round is eliminated. Winner faces the loser of Bear Bryant/Woody Hayes (Matchup #16) Poll is open for 4 days. Elimination Round 1 | Week 5 Matchup #9 (This thread) - #8 seed Eddie Robinson vs #16 seed John Heisman Matchup #10 (link)...

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Poll - HooplaNation's All-Time Greatest CFB Coaches Tourney - 5 Meyer vs 13 Rockne

Almost forgot about this. Been quite busy. Loser of this round is eliminated. Winner faces the loser of Bear Tom Osborne/Barry Switzer (Matchup #15) Poll is open for 4 days. Elimination Round 1 | Week 5 Matchup #9 (link) - #8 seed Eddie Robinson vs #16 seed John Heisman Matchup #10 (This...

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Poll - HooplaNation's All-Time Greatest CFB Coaches Tourney - 11 Swinney vs 14 Warner

Loser of this round is eliminated. Winner faces the loser of Bobby Bowden/Bud Wilkinson (Matchup #14) Poll is open for 4 days. Elimination Round 1 | Week 5 Matchup #11 (This thread) - #11 seed Dabo Swinney vs #14 seed Pop Warner Matchup #12 (link) - #10 seed Joe Paterno vs #15 seed Steve...

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HooplaNation's All-Time Greatest CFB Coaches Tourney - 10 Paterno vs 15 Spurrier

Loser of this round is eliminated. Winner faces the loser of Nick Saban/Bob Devaney (Matchup #13) Poll is open for 4 days. Elimination Round 1 | Week 5 Matchup #11 (link) - #11 seed Dabo Swinney vs #14 seed Pop Warner Matchup #12 (This thread) - #10 seed Joe Paterno vs #15 seed Steve...

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Spoiler: Semifinals

Poll - HooplaNation's All-Time Greatest CFB Coaches Tourney - 1 Saban vs 9 Devaney

The winner of this round advances to the semifinals and faces the winner of Wilkinson/Bowden (Matchup #14). The loser will face Joe Paterno in Elimination Round 2. Poll is open for 4 days Quarterfinals | Week 7 Matchup #13 (This Thread) - #1 seed Nick Saban vs #9 seed Bob Devaney Matchup #14...

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Poll - HooplaNation's All-Time Greatest CFB Coaches Tourney - 4 Wilkinson vs 12 Bowden

The winner of this round advances to the semifinals and faces the winner of Saban/Devaney (Matchup #13). The loser will face Dabo Swinney in Elimination Round 2. Poll is open for 4 days Quarterfinals | Week 7 Matchup #13 (link) - #1 seed Nick Saban vs #9 seed Bob Devaney Matchup #14 (This...

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Poll - HooplaNation's All-Time Greatest CFB Coach Tourney - 3 Osborne vs 6 Switzer

The winner of this round advances to the semifinals and faces the winner of Bryant/Hayes (Matchup #16). The loser will face Urban Meyer in Elimination Round 2. Poll is open for 4 days Quarterfinals | Week 8 Matchup #15 (This thread) - #3 Tom Osborne vs #6 seed Barry Switzer Matchup #16 (link)...

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Poll - HooplaNation's All-Time Greatest CFB Coaches Tourney - 2 Bryant vs 7 Hayes

The winner of this round advances to the semifinals and faces the winner of Osborne/Switzer (Matchup #15). The loser will face Eddie Robinson in Elimination Round 2. Poll is open for 4 days Quarterfinals | Week 8 Matchup #15 (link) - #3 Tom Osborne vs #6 seed Barry Switzer Matchup #16 (This...

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Spoiler: Elimination Round 2

Poll - HooplaNation's All-Time Greatest CFB Coach Tourney - #7 Hayes vs #8 Robinson

The winner faces the winner of Meyer/Switzer (Matchup #18). The loser is eliminated. Poll is open for 4 days Elimination Round 2 | Week 9 Matchup #17 (This thread) - #7 Woody Hayes vs #8 Eddie Robinson Matchup #18 (link) - #5 seed Urban Meyer vs #6 seed Barry Switzer

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HooplaNation's All-Time Greatest CFB Coach Tourney - #5 Meyer vs #6 Switzer

The winner faces the winner of Hayes/Robinson (Matchup #17). The loser is eliminated. Poll is open for 4 days Elimination Round 2 | Week 9 Matchup #17 (link) - #7 Woody Hayes vs #8 Eddie Robinson Matchup #18 (This thread) - #5 seed Urban Meyer vs #6 seed Barry Switzer

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Poll - HooplaNation's All-Time Greatest CFB Coach Tourney - #11 Swinney vs #12 Bowden

The winner faces the winner of Devaney/Paterno (Matchup #20). The loser is eliminated. Poll is open for 4 days Elimination Round 2 | Week 10 Matchup #19 (This thread) - #11 seed Dabo Swinney vs #12 seed Bobby Bowden Matchup #20 (link) - #9 seed Bob Devaney vs #10 seed Joe Paterno

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Poll - HooplaNation's All-Time Greatest CFB Coach Tourney - #9 Devaney vs #10 Paterno

The winner faces the winner of Swinney/Bowden (Matchup #19). The loser is eliminated. Poll is open for 4 days Elimination Round 2 | Week 10 Matchup #19 (link) - #11 seed Dabo Swinney vs #12 seed Bobby Bowden Matchup #20 (This thread) - #9 seed Bob Devaney vs #10 seed Joe Paterno

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Spoiler: Semifinals

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Poll - HooplaNation's All-Time Greatest CFB Coach Tourney - #2 Bryant vs #3 Osborne

The winner faces the winner of Saban/Wilkinson (Matchup #21) in the Finals. The loser faces the loser of Saban/Wilkinson for 3rd Place. Poll is open for 4 days Semifinals | Week 11 Matchup #21 (link) - #1 seed Nick Saban vs #4 seed Bud Wilkinson Matchup #22 (This thread) - #2 seed Bear...

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[outofyourmind]

 

[We Are Decent]

Switzer because f**k Woody & the Buckeyes that's why.

 

[iowajerms]

Barry Switzer	W 157	L 29	T 4	% 0.8263
Woody Hayes	238	72	10	0.7438

Switzer - 1 school | 16 seasons (16 at Oklahoma)
Hayes - 3 schools | 33 seasons (2 at Denison, 3 at Miami OH, 28 at Ohio State)

Switzer - 3 National Championships | 12 Conference Championships
Hayes - 5 National Championships | 15 Conference Championships (1 at Denison, 1 at Miami, 13 at Ohio State)

The one stat I want to know is how did they do vs AP Final Top 25 and Top 10. I won't have time to do the # crunching before poll closes. But this makes Switzer look more impressive.

 

[outofyourmind]

Hayes - 5 National Championships

Wrong

 

[Wishbone]

Uwe Von Schomann!

 

[78Cyclones]

Wrong

What say you @Illustrious Potentate?

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

Fine, I will go with Switzer on this one.

But only this one time!

 

[Illustrious Potentate]

What say you @Illustrious Potentate?

They claim titles in 1954, 1957, 1961, 1968 and 1970.

1954 and 1968 are the only legit claims for Woody. You'd even agree that two of them aren't legit since neither the AP nor UPI had them as champs. 1957 they were UPI champs, but that had to just be a case of northern bias against all southern teams not named Alabama(that's the only way they could justify UGA not getting the nod in 1946)

 

[Illustrious Potentate]

I originally voted for Hayes, but now being reminded that OSU was just as egregious if not more so than Bama when it came to claiming natties during the Hayes era, I switched my vote to Switzer.

 

[outofyourmind]

What say you

It's easy.
If you are going to count NC's from all sources, then you need to do that with both Coaches.
If you only count AP/Coaches end of year NC's, then it breaks down like this.

Woody - 1AP 1Coaches 1 Concensus
Barry - 1AP 2 Consensus

 

[78Cyclones]

They claim titles in 1954, 1957, 1961, 1968 and 1970.

1954 and 1968 are the only legit claims for Woody. You'd even agree that two of them aren't legit since neither the AP nor UPI had them as champs. 1957 they were UPI champs, but that had to just be a case of northern bias against all southern teams not named Alabama(that's the only way they could justify UGA not getting the nod in 1946)

Appreciate your input on these two coaches!

I have no issue with Ohio State's 1957 UPI. I also have no issue with either 1961 (FWAA) or 1970 (NFF), as that is who the selectors selected. For what it's worth, the FWAA is the selector that chose Arkansas in 1964.

Interestingly, Tennessee (1951 AP and UPI), Auburn (1957 AP) and LSU (1958 AP and UPI) all won AP and / or UPI in the 1950s before Alabama won their first of each in 1961.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

Ohio State and Texas for that matter are not rightful national champs in 1970.


Nebraska is. #Facts

 

[outofyourmind]

The one stat I want to know is how did they do vs AP Final Top 25 and Top 10.

I ran onto these numbers in an article comparing Switzer to Saban.
It doesn't say if they are end of year rankings or time of game rankings, but here they are.


Switzer vs Top 25 43-21-4 66%
Switzer vs Top 10 23-17-2 57%

 

[Illustrious Potentate]

Ohio State and Texas for that matter are not rightful national champs in 1970.


Nebraska is. #Facts

Ohio State's 1970 claim is one of the weakest claims post WW2. Texas too.

 

[outofyourmind]

I ran onto these numbers in an article comparing Switzer to Saban.
It doesn't say if they are end of year rankings or time of game rankings, but here they are.


Switzer vs Top 25 43-21-4 66%
Switzer vs Top 10 23-17-2 57%

Ok, the same source had these Woody Hayes numbers:
Hayes vs Top 25 41-31-5 56%
Hayes vs Top 10 23-21-4 52%

 

[iowajerms]

I ran onto these numbers in an article comparing Switzer to Saban.
It doesn't say if they are end of year rankings or time of game rankings, but here they are.


Switzer vs Top 25 43-21-4 66%
Switzer vs Top 10 23-17-2 57%

I went through and did it with Switzer vs Osborne

Osborne (25 seasons) - 90/25=2.6 ranked opponents a season
-- vs 11-25 (AP Final Poll) 33-8-1 - (.786)
-- vs Top 10 (AP Final Poll) 17-31 - (.354)

-- vs Top 25 (AP Final Poll) 50-39-1 - (.556)

Switzer (16 seasons) - 49/16=3.1 ranked opponents a season
-- vs 11-25 (AP Final Poll) 10-8 - (.556)
-- vs Top 10 (AP Final Poll) 16-14-1 - (.516)

--vs Top 25 (AP Final Poll) 26-22-1 - (.531)


Switching back to Switzer.