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bragging about having subscriptions to three college football recruiting websites is essentially admitting you have no idea what a pussy feels like
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Do you deny that the teams with the best recruits win? Not just football, it’s also hoops although hoops can put together an older experienced class and win it.

At the end of the day, with rare exceptions the teams with the best players have always won CFB. The main difference today is that a smaller number of teams have really separated themselves from everyone else. Hoping NIL, free agency and expanded CFP drives some parity in recruiting. That’s against my best interests, but is good for my CFB love.
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You are way too damned objective. You are risking your SEC Homer Card with that type of objectivity. :beer2:

But you are right. Until the upper talent is more widely dispersed, it ain't going to change much. Maybe once in a blue moon, but that's it.
 
Kburjr said:
Why even play the games? It's all about recruiting. Just hand out natty trophies to the best recruiting class and move on to basketball.
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They won't do that because fans of so many programs think they have a legit shot, so they shell out a fortune for apparel, tickets, food, drink, etc.

Simple truth though is -- you could let someone pick 6-7 schools and I'd say 90% of the national championships in the next 20 years would be from one of those 6-7 teams. Reality is -- the overwhelming majority of have no chance in hell of ever winning a national title. Wisconsin is a quality program. Been playing for 100+ years. How many titles do they have?
 
Kburjr said:
If college football is just about winning the CFB, then just crown the recruiting champs. No sense wasting all that time and money playing the games. However, it is about the next game. It is about the work and challenging yourself. As a Wisconsin fan, a game against South Dakota is as important as a game against Georgia. 60 minutes of football. Saturday afternoons. All that other stuff does not interest me at all.
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I think we agree on most things … I love all the aspects of CFB - tradition, rivalries, reconnecting with your alma mater, etc. But, the CFP means a lot. Even in the Richt years when we were just on the outside, sort of like Wisky is right now, I loved it.
 
Hitman Hart said:
bragging about having subscriptions to three college football recruiting websites is essentially admitting you have no idea what a pussy feels like
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Not bragging, just responding to a post. The fact that people think it is stupid that someone might actually subscribe to something that is a huge part of CFB seems far crazier than me saying I do it. It’s an odd flex to say that I’m stupid because I spend a tiny amount of money on part of my hobby. Think about that for a minute.

What an odd analogy … FYI, I have 2 kids.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I think we agree on most things … I love all the aspects of CFB - tradition, rivalries, reconnecting with your alma mater, etc. But, the CFP means a lot. Even in the Richt years when we were just on the outside, sort of like Wisky is right now, I loved it.
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I just am in it for the 12-14 games we play. I know that there a fans that live and breathe every mention about their team. Go for it.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
They won't do that because fans of so many programs think they have a legit shot, so they shell out a fortune for apparel, tickets, food, drink, etc.

Simple truth though is -- you could let someone pick 6-7 schools and I'd say 90% of the national championships in the next 20 years would be from one of those 6-7 teams. Reality is -- the overwhelming majority of have no chance in hell of ever winning a national title. Wisconsin is a quality program. Been playing for 100+ years. How many titles do they have?
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0 and it doesn't bother me.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
You could put Saban at Nebraska or Michigan and he isn't bringing in a class even close to what he does at Bama. You could put Smart at Nebraska or Michigan and he isn't bringing in a class even close to what he does at Georgia.
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I'm not so sure about that. Recruits follow the winning as much if not more than anything else. Bama was recruiting top 20 classes prior to Saban. Saban wins in 2009 and takes like 7 of the next ten #1 classes (with many titles that help keep that up in that time). In 2005 (according to rivals) Nebraska had a top 5 recruiting class due to the hype surrounding Callahan and Nebraska still being semi-relevant at that time. Callahan didn't have nearly the clout that Saban, Smart or even fucking Kelly or Fisher currently have in CFB. If one of them jumped ship and went to Nebraska or Michiga, I think they could put together a hell of a class and build consistency if they were able to put together winning programs. Especially Michigan, they recruit much better than Nebraska regularly. Smart or Saban could easily take that task easily imo.
 
Blackshirts BLVD said:
I'm not so sure about that. Recruits follow the winning as much if not more than anything else. Bama was recruiting top 20 classes prior to Saban. Saban wins in 2009 and takes like 7 of the next ten #1 classes (with many titles that help keep that up in that time). In 2005 (according to rivals) Nebraska had a top 5 recruiting class due to the hype surrounding Callahan and Nebraska still being semi-relevant at that time. Callahan didn't have nearly the clout that Saban, Smart or even fucking Kelly or Fisher currently have in CFB. If one of them jumped ship and went to Nebraska or Michiga, I think they could put together a hell of a class and build consistency if they were able to put together winning programs. Especially Michigan, they recruit much better than Nebraska regularly. Smart or Saban could easily take that task easily imo.
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The issue at both schools is -- they'd have to rely almost solely on out of state recruits. The closest talent rich state to Michigan is Ohio. Essentially UM and MSU get the left overs that OSU don't sign from that state.

It simply isn't feasible to keep up recruiting with those schools located in talent rich states. You may have a year where a team breaks thru. like Michigan getting to the CFP this year, but that is not the norm. Go look at the elite recruiting schools and look how many 5 star and top 100 recruits they sign from their backyard each year. If you don't have that advantage, you are NEVER recruiting like those schools, unless you pull an A&M and buy a class.

And putting a class together is different than the elite programs. They put elite classes together EVERY year. That is why there are about 5-6 schools who simply reload, where as every other team in CFB has to rebuild if they lose a bunch of talent to the NFL.
 
Kburjr said:
0 and it doesn't bother me.
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And Wisconsin is a very good program. They've never won a national title in 100+ years. Unfortunately for Wisconsin fans, that is never going to change, because they simply will never have the talent that you see on the rosters of the elite programs.
They could be like Michigan or Michigan State and break through one year to be the patsy for one of the elite programs to beat up on in the CFP, but winning a title is never happening unless they change how recruiting is done.
 
Blackshirts BLVD said:
I'm not so sure about that. Recruits follow the winning as much if not more than anything else. Bama was recruiting top 20 classes prior to Saban. Saban wins in 2009 and takes like 7 of the next ten #1 classes (with many titles that help keep that up in that time). In 2005 (according to rivals) Nebraska had a top 5 recruiting class due to the hype surrounding Callahan and Nebraska still being semi-relevant at that time. Callahan didn't have nearly the clout that Saban, Smart or even fucking Kelly or Fisher currently have in CFB. If one of them jumped ship and went to Nebraska or Michiga, I think they could put together a hell of a class and build consistency if they were able to put together winning programs. Especially Michigan, they recruit much better than Nebraska regularly. Smart or Saban could easily take that task easily imo.
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I'd love to be wrong, but in today's CFB -- it is all about location. UM's only chance is for our huge alumni base with deep pockets to open their wallets and buy us some recruits.

We had alumni fighting over who would pay $1 million+ a year to send those teams on those ridiculous trips before the season, so I know we have alumni willing to shell out cash. We just need the administration to stay out of the way.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
I'd love to be wrong, but in today's CFB -- it is all about location. UM's only chance is for our huge alumni base with deep pockets to open their wallets and buy us some recruits.

We had alumni fighting over who would pay $1 million+ a year to send those teams on those ridiculous trips before the season, so I know we have alumni willing to shell out cash. We just need the administration to stay out of the way.
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Why not just buy the trophy?
 
Kburjr said:
Why not just buy the trophy?
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That is essentially what CFB is turning into with the NIL deals. The schools with the rich boosters at the bigger programs are going to open their wallets and do just that.

That's how A&M got the recruiting class they did this year. They signed more 5 star recruits this year than they have had in the last decade combined because rumors are they spent about 20 million on the class. What will happen? They will be a top team again soon.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
That is essentially what CFB is turning into with the NIL deals. The schools with the rich boosters at the bigger programs are going to open their wallets and do just that.

That's how A&M got the recruiting class they did this year. They signed more 5 star recruits this year than they have had in the last decade combined because rumors are they spent about 20 million on the class. What will happen? They will be a top team again soon.
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Gonna need a salary cap, arbitration etc, etc. Not my college football. I'll go find a D-3 team.
 
Kburjr said:
Gonna need a salary cap, arbitration etc, etc. Not my college football. I'll go find a D-3 team.
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With or without NIL -- it wasn't going to matter for Wisconsin. They are never winning a national title anyway -- they can't compete in recruiting. And I don't mean that in a disrespectful way, but just being honest.
 
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