How have football programs fared after leaving or joining the Big 12?

So Nebraska and Colorado tanked and A&M and Missouri basically stayed the same.
 
duckboy33 said:
So Nebraska and Colorado tanked and A&M and Missouri basically stayed the same.
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honestly, I think the program that actually benefited was aggy. Being an SEC school in TX gave them an identity. Mizzu.. ehhh i'm not sure anyone really cares about them, they are an odd fit who rather be in the BiG.

Colorado obviously has taken the biggest hit.. they for sure thought being in the PAC was going to benefit them the most since it has a large alumni base in CA. But it hasn't worked at all on the field, nor at the bank.

To me Nebraska has been an odd fit in the BiG..maybe with the Rhule era about to start, it changes things for them

TCU has benefitted with being part of the Big 12 the most while I feel WV is still an odd fit because of it being further away from the main footprint. They have no rivalries, but i'm sure the conference will try to make UC and UCF fill that void.

As far as money.. they all benefitted outside Colorado
 
Thiefery said:
honestly, I think the program that actually benefited was aggy. Being an SEC school in TX gave them an identity. Mizzu.. ehhh i'm not sure anyone really cares about them, they are an odd fit who rather be in the BiG.

Colorado obviously has taken the biggest hit.. they for sure thought being in the PAC was going to benefit them the most since it has a large alumni base in CA. But it hasn't worked at all on the field, nor at the bank.

To me Nebraska has been an odd fit in the BiG..maybe with the Rhule era about to start, it changes things for them

TCU has benefitted with being part of the Big 12 the most while I feel WV is still an odd fit because of it being further away from the main footprint. They have no rivalries, but i'm sure the conference will try to make UC and UCF fill that void.

As far as money.. they all benefitted outside Colorado
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Nebraska hasn't been physical enough up-front for Big 10 play since Riley arrived.

Pelini at least had them competitive in the West, but Riley and Frost would have struggled to win the AAC or Sun Belt.
 
Four ex-Big 12 teams; two have absolutely faceplanted, one has regressed somewhat, one stuck in neutral.


I guess The Hateful 8 really do remember. Okay then.
 
Knight&Day said:
Four ex-Big 12 teams; two have absolutely faceplanted, one has regressed somewhat, one stuck in neutral.


I guess The Hateful 8 really do remember. Okay then.
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who are the schools that face-planted? I know Colorado.. but who is the other one?
 
Thiefery said:
who are the schools that face-planted? I know Colorado.. but who is the other one?
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You could argue a small portion for WVU too. Sure they were in a much easier conference in the BE. But they were routinely ranked mid teens and won 3 huge bowl games. Since they joined the B12 they have had 4 losing seasons (in 11 years) and have lived basically on 7-6 every other year while losing just about every bowl game they have played.
 
On the field WVU looks like a step back but in the pocketbook it was a great move compared to what they had as an alternative.. which was the American conference that paid pocket change compared to the Big12 with OU/TX in the conference. That will take a big hit now but it will still be better that being stuck in the American minus Cincy, UCF ect.
 
CoalTrain said:
On the field WVU looks like a step back but in the pocketbook it was a great move compared to what they had as an alternative.. which was the American conference that paid pocket change compared to the Big12 with OU/TX in the conference. That will take a big hit now but it will still be better that being stuck in the American minus Cincy, UCF ect.
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Ohh no doubt, WVU had to make the move to the B12 and I'm happy they did. Luck deserves hero status in Morgantown for that forever.
 
Thiefery said:
TCU has benefitted with being part of the Big 12 the most
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Financially, no doubt. Del Conte even stated it helped out in being competitive with coaching salaries and the other sports. But, I'm not sure it helped that much with the football program. TCU was pretty damn good as a MWC team. In fact, they'd have made the four team playoff in 2010 had there been one.

I think Ann Richards getting Baylor in as the 12th team in the Big 12 was the biggest beneficiary. They'd have roamed around like in the desert like TCU did without as good of results IMO.
 
The SEC was the real losers in the Big 12 exodus. Everything was perfect with 12 teams, now it’s about to have 16 and will probably add more with the ACC schools can leave
 
"other factors have had an impact"

Yeah, ya think, Craig??? I mean, Baylor's increase in average ranking probably has more to do with Art Briles, and Nebraska's drop might be due to not having Osborne around anymore. Colorado certainly did better when McCartney was there, and have struggled until Coach Prime (heavenly choir sound) signed. Texas had a great run while Mack Brown was there.
 
Deep Creek said:
He's got some data but I'm not sure he gets it. How their football teams "fare" hasn't really mattered when schools decide to join/leave a conference. For the most part, only money mattered.

I'd like to see this for other conferences.

How have football programs fared after leaving or joining the Big 12? A guest analysis
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SEC:

Sewanee is not interested in opening old wounds.
Georgia Tech - WTF were we thinking?

Everyone else:

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Wild Turkey said:
SEC:

Sewanee is not interested in opening old wounds.
Georgia Tech - WTF were we thinking?

Everyone else:

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Georgia Tech got mad at Alabama and left and have regretted it ever since. Made sense for Sewanee and Tulane to leave, but GT really fucked themselves
 
Illustrious Potentate said:
Georgia Tech got mad at Alabama and left and have regretted it ever since. Made sense for Sewanee and Tulane to leave, but GT really fucked themselves
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I would love to hear your argument that it made sense for Sewanee and Tulane to leave. I don't see any plausible path where they wouldn't be better off in the SEC.

My favorite thing about GT is that for years their fans made the argument that it made more sense for them and that they were a more national-based program and being independent gave them a bigger platform.....until they begged the ACC to take them.
 
TCU is the absolute winner among these teams in all this shuffle.

Once upon a time, TCU had to beg, borrow and steal to get a BCS Bowl bid. One year, they were let into a BCS bowl and still couldn't get a P5 opponent.

Now, even with a loss, TCU gets into the CFP.

Aggie gets a big upgrade as well. No way does Manziel win the Heisman without the Alabama game.

These are things these teams and players do not get if they stayed in the conference they had been in.
 
Wild Turkey said:
I would love to hear your argument that it made sense for Sewanee and Tulane to leave. I don't see any plausible path where they wouldn't be better off in the SEC.

My favorite thing about GT is that for years their fans made the argument that it made more sense for them and that they were a more national-based program and being independent gave them a bigger platform.....until they begged the ACC to take them.
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Sewanee wanted to de-emphasize athletics and dropped down divisions

Tulane made a poor financial decision, but they would have been the Vandy of the west. From a competitive standpoint, they made the right call. They don’t have a baseball program like Vandy.

Tech begged the SEC to take em back for they went to the ACC. They were rejected
 
Wild Turkey said:
SEC:

Sewanee is not interested in opening old wounds.
Georgia Tech - WTF were we thinking?

Everyone else:

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Like I said, I'd like to see the data for other conferences. Taking money out of the equation, it seems like Maryland is on the skids since joining the B1G as far as how the football program and overall athletic program have "fared". But I'm not familiar with how they "fared" in the ACC prior to moving.

My memory ain't that great but I'm pretty sure their athletic program was in a BIG financial hole when they decided to make the move.
 
Bring Back The Oilers said:
TCU is the absolute winner among these teams in all this shuffle.

Once upon a time, TCU had to beg, borrow and steal to get a BCS Bowl bid. One year, they were let into a BCS bowl and still couldn't get a P5 opponent.

Now, even with a loss, TCU gets into the CFP.

Aggie gets a big upgrade as well. No way does Manziel win the Heisman without the Alabama game.

These are things these teams and players do not get if they stayed in the conference they had been in.
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Not sure about your thinking on this. TCU was damn good prior to joining the Big 12. In 2010 TCU was in the MWC, played in the Rose Bowl (BCS) and beat B1G champ Wisconsin (P5 opponent). Had the CFP been in existance, they'd have probably beat Cincy as the first G5 school to make a playoff.

Outside the financial standing, and as far as how the TCU football program "fared" prior to joining the Big 12, they've really done about the same IMO. TCU's football program started getting "revitalized" in 1998 when Franchione took over. Hell, they beat USC in the Sun Bowl that year. While not a BCS Bowl, USC is damn sure a P5 blue blood.

Check out how their football since 1998. TCU Horned Frogs Football Record By Year | College Football at Sports-Reference.com
 
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