If You Were Hoping For CFP Expansion You’re Going To Have To Wait A Few Years

jjc2009 said:
You mean classes like this?

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They finished with the #7 247 composite class this year. Kelly was pretty consistently just outside the top 10 most of his tenure. So what changed? Let’s see. Must be the new head coach who’s first year on staff was this season. Maybe it’s the guy who has made it pretty clear recruiting is his top priority.

If it took Kelly this long to realize he could recruit easier elsewhere then that’s not a compliment for Kelly.

Beyond your ND hate it’s pretty clear you know nothing about this team.
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Did you seriously point out the 2023 classes that don't sign for another year? :rofl: :rofl:
 
jjc2009 said:
True. Don’t count your chickens before they’re hatched. But I’d be surprised (barring any flips) that ND ends up outside the top 5 with this class.

But the point I am making is Freeman has made recruiting a very specific emphasis for him and the staff he hires. He may end up not being as good a CEO type as Kelly. He may even (gasp) he not as good a game day coach. But he has the energy and drive to sell the school on the top talent and not just cede it like his predecessor. People scoffing at the idea that Kelly wasn’t big on recruiting simply don’t know what they’re talking about.
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And where is one of your 5 star guys from? Your backyard. That isn't the norm and will never be the norm in Indiana.

Also -- EVERY coach makes recruiting a very specific emphasis. That is the overwhelming majority of the battle in CFB. Accumulating enough talent to compete with the elite.

And if you think ANY coach isn't 'big on recruiting' -- it is you who doesn't know what he is talking about. Saying a P5 coach in college isn't big on recruiting is like saying NFL teams aren't big on 1st and 2nd round picks. They'd rather build their team with the back half of the draft:facepalm:
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
And where is one of your 5 star guys from? Your backyard. That isn't the norm and will never be the norm in Indiana.

Also -- EVERY coach makes recruiting a very specific emphasis. That is the overwhelming majority of the battle in CFB. Accumulating enough talent to compete with the elite.

And if you think ANY coach isn't 'big on recruiting' -- it is you who doesn't know what he is talking about. Saying a P5 coach in college isn't big on recruiting is like saying NFL teams aren't big on 1st and 2nd round picks. They'd rather build their team with the back half of the draft:facepalm:
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You’re wrong. A guy who’s made his living being a recruiting analyst says you’re wrong.

 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Did you seriously point out the 2023 classes that don't sign for another year? :rofl: :rofl:
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Do you have any other data points for a first year head coach? Can only go off this year and this last class. And Early NSD is less than a year away. If you’re not building it now you’re behind.
 
jjc2009 said:
I don’t have any data points beyond this class and next years. Freeman has only been on staff a year and head coach for a couple of months.
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And the one 5 star guy you signed out of state. He committed to ND when he was the 216th ranked recruit. He has went up since then to a 5 star. So now ND will have to try and hold off the sharks circling.
 
jjc2009 said:
Do you have any other data points for a first year head coach? Can only go off this year and this last class. And Early NSD is less than a year away. If you’re not building it now you’re behind.
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Again, you are off to a great start. This time last year tOSU was way ahead and heading to a record no. 1 class. Ended up 4, which is really good, but not close to the no. 1 class they thought they would have.

We can all assume that Bama will do just fine? They are currently no. 22. No one is behind right now, just a couple teams are ahead. Best thing to do here is look at averages and you guys look good when you do that. But, there is a lot to go ... official visits are just getting setup.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
And the one 5 star guy you signed out of state. He committed to ND when he was the 216th ranked recruit. He has went up since then to a 5 star. So now ND will have to try and hold off the sharks circling.
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And?? How is this different any other year. It says a lot that when BK departed they only lost CJ Williams who was already cold on ND and wanted to stay home in So Cal and a Florida guy that ended up at Fla. They picked up one of the top OL in Billy Scrauth who (surprise surprise) didn’t like BK.
 
jjc2009 said:
Do y ou have any other data points for a first year head coach? Can only go off this year and this last class. And Early NSD is less than a year away. If you’re not building it now you’re behind.
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I can give you data points. ND's class is an anomaly thus far. They have 2 five star recruits. One if a kid from Indiana and we both know Indiana is NOT producing five star football recruits on the reg.
The second kid committed to ND as the 216th ranked recruit in the country. It is only recently he went up over 100 spots, then went up to the top 30. So if ND's goal is find recruits in the 200's and hope they sky rocket to 5 star status from Sophomore to Junior year -- then good luck on that.

As stated -- these kids do what they please. I'd rather not have 5 star guys signed right now other than a 5 star QB, as they don't bounce around with their commitments too much and instead try to recruit others to play with them and it would shock me in the least bit to see him bounce and go elsewhere. The other 5 star is an instate kid -- so he should be a lock to stay at ND.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Again, you are off to a great start. This time last year tOSU was way ahead and heading to a record no. 1 class. Ended up 4, which is really good, but not close to the no. 1 class they thought they would have.

We can all assume that Bama will do just fine? They are currently no. 22. No one is behind right now, just a couple teams are ahead. Best thing to do here is look at averages and you guys look good when you do that. But, there is a lot to go ... official visits are just getting setup.
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Well like I said I don’t fully expect to stay no 1 but it would take a catastrophic exodus of commits to fall out if the top 10 and it’s not unreasonable to stay top 5.

BK’s average classes over his entire tenure fell between 10-15. An outlier top 10 or as low as 18 also occurred.

The point of all of this is to respond to that chucklehead that thinks ND will always be a 10-15 ranked class and that none of that was BK’s fault.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
The other 5 star is an instate kid -- so he should be a lock to stay at ND.
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I assume you mean Drayk Bowen. I’m more worried about him decommitting than anyone else. He’s expressed a desire to play in the south before. So once again you speak on which you do not know.

And your “data points” are nothing but speculation.
 
jjc2009 said:
I assume you mean Drayk Bowen. I’m more worried about him decommitting than anyone else. He’s expressed a desire to play in the south before. So once again you speak on which you do not know.
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You should be more worried about the kid from the South. The in state kid -- you have access to at all times. They grew up a ND fan. His family is there. It will take a lot more to get him to go to the South than it will be for Keeley to be swayed elsewhere. He has zero allegiance to ND.

Now that is he in elite recruit rankings as a 5 star DE -- he will be hounded by every school offering him ridiculous money in NIL deals, which you know, as well as I, ND won't be doing, because schools like UM and ND have sticks up their asses and have archaic administrations.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
You should be more worried about the kid from the South. The in state kid -- you have access to at all times. They grew up a ND fan. His family is there. It will take a lot more to get him to go to the South than it will be for Keeley to be swayed elsewhere. He has zero allegiance to ND.

Now that is he in elite recruit rankings as a 5 star DE -- he will be hounded by every school offering him ridiculous money in NIL deals, which you know, as well as I, ND won't be doing, because schools like UM and ND have sticks up their asses and have archaic administrations.
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This makes zero sense. Schools have no direct involvement with NIL deals (at least they’re not supposed to). Are you saying there are no well heeled ND alums who won’t be in on this? They may be late to the game but they’ll come around.
 
jjc2009 said:
Well like I said I don’t fully expect to stay no 1 but it would take a catastrophic exodus of commits to fall out if the top 10 and it’s not unreasonable to stay top 5.

BK’s average classes over his entire tenure fell between 10-15. An outlier top 10 or as low as 18 also occurred.

The point of all of this is to respond to that chucklehead that thinks ND will always be a 10-15 ranked class and that none of that was BK’s fault.
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Oh, yeah, unless you really screw up you are looking top 5 if you keep this up. It could be that a young, dynamic, black coach is what ND needed all along. Imagine that.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Actually, many will have been and will have lost. UGA this last year would have been the no. 5, and we lost the SEC. OkStU would have and they lost. tOSU would be a good example of a team that didn't play in the CC and would get in. Same with Ole Miss.

It's interesting, the home game scenario was actually one of the most popular parts of the proposal. You're the first I've seen that doesn't like that.

FWIW, here is the scenario applied to this past year:

This is what you would have had in round 1 this year:

Byes to Bama, Michigan, Cincy and Baylor.

Pitt @ UGA
Utah @ ND
Mich State @ tOSU
OkState @ Ole Miss

First, those are way more interesting as they are 4 home field games in the second week of December. They would all have been better games than any bowl games that were played. Our game might not have been competitive, but we are the outlier as the best team but laid an egg in the SECCG.

The second round would have been in the Sugar, Peach, Rose, and Fiesta:

Bama v. winner OkState @ Ole Miss (Peach)
Michigan v. winner Mich State @ tOSU (Rose)
Cincy v. winner Utah @ ND (Fiesta)
Baylor v. Pitt @ UGA (Sugar)

Bama and UGA probably win easily
The other two games are likely very competitive.

That means that so far we would have had 8 games, at least 5 would have been competitive.

Semis would have been:

Bama v. UGA (Cotton)
tOSU v. Utah (Orange)

Having our game as a semi would have been a let down, but the winner would have take on tOSU which would have been a great game, I am guessing.

UGA v. tOSU - UGA National Champs. (IndY)

That is actually an exciting playoff right there, with way more competitive games than you get with the 4 team plus NY6 bowl games with people opting out.
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so if im a college player at Michigan state my reward and possibly final game is at Ohio State where i have likely already played at least 2 times instead of going to Chik fil a in Atlanta? or in another season maybe Orlando for Citrus? and if im an Ohio State player and lose i finish my career at home instead of the Rose Bowl or another nice weather game where i may also have hit Disney or other park and the beach?
 
OlyDuck said:
so if im a college player at Michigan state my reward and possibly final game is at Ohio State where i have likely already played at least 2 times instead of going to Chik fil a in Atlanta? or in another season maybe Orlando for Citrus? and if im an Ohio State player and lose i finish my career at home instead of the Rose Bowl or another nice weather game where i may also have hit Disney or other park and the beach?
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And your reward for winning that game is another divisional rematch.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Actually, many will have been and will have lost. UGA this last year would have been the no. 5, and we lost the SEC. OkStU would have and they lost. tOSU would be a good example of a team that didn't play in the CC and would get in. Same with Ole Miss.

It's interesting, the home game scenario was actually one of the most popular parts of the proposal. You're the first I've seen that doesn't like that.

FWIW, here is the scenario applied to this past year:

This is what you would have had in round 1 this year:

Byes to Bama, Michigan, Cincy and Baylor.

Pitt @ UGA
Utah @ ND
Mich State @ tOSU
OkState @ Ole Miss

First, those are way more interesting as they are 4 home field games in the second week of December. They would all have been better games than any bowl games that were played. Our game might not have been competitive, but we are the outlier as the best team but laid an egg in the SECCG.

The second round would have been in the Sugar, Peach, Rose, and Fiesta:

Bama v. winner OkState @ Ole Miss (Peach)
Michigan v. winner Mich State @ tOSU (Rose)
Cincy v. winner Utah @ ND (Fiesta)
Baylor v. Pitt @ UGA (Sugar)

Bama and UGA probably win easily
The other two games are likely very competitive.

That means that so far we would have had 8 games, at least 5 would have been competitive.

Semis would have been:

Bama v. UGA (Cotton)
tOSU v. Utah (Orange)

Having our game as a semi would have been a let down, but the winner would have take on tOSU which would have been a great game, I am guessing.

UGA v. tOSU - UGA National Champs. (IndY)

That is actually an exciting playoff right there, with way more competitive games than you get with the 4 team plus NY6 bowl games with people opting out.
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I mean would it really be hard to add in the Holiday, Sun, Citrus and Gator bowls?
 
jjc2009 said:
This makes zero sense. Schools have no direct involvement with NIL deals (at least they’re not supposed to). Are you saying there are no well heeled ND alums who won’t be in on this? They may be late to the game but they’ll come around.
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Yeah -- if you believe schools won't have involvement in NIL deals -- you are clueless. That's like saying schools didn't pay recruits under the table before all this NIL stuff because the NCAA says it is illegal. A&M literally just bought the #1 draft class of all time. You don't think the school had any idea this was going on.

And UM has deeper pockets than pretty much any D1 schools, but it means little if the administration blocks them from utilizing it. It is why I was shocked UM opened the public NIL network for their athletes to set up deals. We shall see if it is put to use though.
 
OlyDuck said:
thats more on circumstance of the rankings tho
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I get that, but just showing how shitty it can be. Need to try and avoid first and second round rematches.
 
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