If You Were Hoping For CFP Expansion You’re Going To Have To Wait A Few Years

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Oh, yeah, unless you really screw up you are looking top 5 if you keep this up. It could be that a young, dynamic, black coach is what ND needed all along. Imagine that.

I think it is the young coach and a stroke of luck too. The one 5 star guy is from their backyard in Indiana. That is something that will happen once every 10+ years. Their 2nd 5 star guy committed to ND as the 216th ranked recruit in his class. From his sophomore to junior year, he went from 216th to 30th. So the kid must have made some enormous leaps in size and strength, as well as production in that one year to jump that high.

 

[jjc2009]

That's like saying schools didn't pay recruits under the table before all this NIL stuff because the NCAA says it is illegal.

I think you would be hard pressed to find direct payments from schools to players. Boosters sure but it’s not like they’re cutting checks. Would be sort of easy to track.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

so if im a college player at Michigan state my reward and possibly final game is at Ohio State where i have likely already played at least 2 times instead of going to Chik fil a in Atlanta? or in another season maybe Orlando for Citrus? and if im an Ohio State player and lose i finish my career at home instead of the Rose Bowl or another nice weather game where i may also have hit Disney or other park and the beach?

Correct. And the players want to play for championships. Also, don't forget where I said they have discussed the idea that the 4 losing teams in round 1 might be available for bowl games.

Do you really think playing a meaningless bowl game in a warm weather environment is better than a shot at national championship? SMH.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I mean would it really be hard to add in the Holiday, Sun, Citrus and Gator bowls?

Trust me, the bowls are on your side and want exactly what you are saying. It will come up. But, most people I've talked to, or read their opinions, love the idea of the home game. I would much rather have played Pitt in Athens than in Miami/Jax/Tuscon, etc. That's a no brainer.

I went to the NCG in Indy. Here's what I would have had to do last year:

- Atlanta - SECCG
- Orlando - Round1
- New Orleans - Round2
- Dallas - Semis
- Indy - Finals

Not many people can afford that.

Round1 at home fields is awesome.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

I think you would be hard pressed to find direct payments from schools to players. Boosters sure but it’s not like they’re cutting checks. Would be sort of easy to track.

No school is directly cutting a check from payroll. But these boosters are right in the middle of these programs. Now it is simply out in the open.

 

[OlyDuck]

Trust me, the bowls are on your side and want exactly what you are saying. It will come up. But, most people I've talked to, or read their opinions, love the idea of the home game. I would much rather have played Pitt in Athens than in Miami/Jax/Tuscon, etc. That's a no brainer.

I went to the NCG in Indy. Here's what I would have had to do last year:

- Atlanta - SECCG
- Orlando - Round1
- New Orleans - Round2
- Dallas - Semis
- Indy - Finals

Not many people can afford that.

Round1 at home fields is awesome.

not everyone would feel the need to go to all those games either.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

not everyone would feel the need to go to all those games either.

But, if you are selling games and want sell outs, you want butts in seats. Are you seriously telling me you don't want a CFP game in Autzen, because that crazy as fuck to me.

 

[OlyDuck]

But, if you are selling games and want sell outs, you want butts in seats. Are you seriously telling me you don't want a CFP game in Autzen, because that crazy as fuck to me.

if oregon was 8 and UGA was 9 would you really want Eugene Oregon as possible final game destination?
I love my home town but it aint that place

how about when that place a stadium like Wake Forest or Washington State or Duke or Houston? 40000 or less

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

if oregon was 8 and UGA was 9 would you really want Eugene Oregon as possible final game destination?
I love my home town but it aint that place

how about when that place a stadium like Wake Forest or Washington State or Duke or Houston? 40000 or less

Yep, that's exactly what I would want. Would teach us a lesson - don't be 9th. Be 8th, or better yet win the SEC and be sitting at home.

Interestingly, while the home games was one of the sexier aspects of the whole thing, it's also the part that might be the most up for change. There are weirdos like you (I kid, I kid) who don't want a home game, I and many others don't want games decided by weather , and you know the next 4 bowls will be fighting for those games.

 

[OlyDuck]

Yep, that's exactly what I would want. Would teach us a lesson - don't be 9th. Be 8th, or better yet win the SEC and be sitting at home.

Interestingly, while the home games was one of the sexier aspects of the whole thing, it's also the part that might be the most up for change. There are weirdos like you (I kid, I kid) who don't want a home game, I and many others don't want games decided by weather , and you know the next 4 bowls will be fighting for those games.

so if by random chance 5-8 were Oregon, Penn State, Pitt and Notre Dame games in december woulndt exactly be friendly to those in warm weather states.

 

[Deep Creek]

Yep, that's exactly what I would want. Would teach us a lesson - don't be 9th. Be 8th, or better yet win the SEC and be sitting at home.

Interestingly, while the home games was one of the sexier aspects of the whole thing, it's also the part that might be the most up for change. There are weirdos like you (I kid, I kid) who don't want a home game, I and many others don't want games decided by weather , and you know the next 4 bowls will be fighting for those games.

Money will win out in the end like it always does. So those next four bowls will up the ante. The powers that be don't give one flying shit if fans have to fork over a lot of money to travel all over God's creation in order to see their teams play. They'll say that is just the price for continuing to win.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

so if by random chance 5-8 were Oregon, Penn State, Pitt and Notre Dame games in december woulndt exactly be friendly to those in warm weather states.

Agreed ... so don't be 9-12. Problem solved. The B1G commissioner said they might move their games into indoor stadium near their schools.

 

[OlyDuck]

Agreed ... so don't be 9-12. Problem solved. The B1G commissioner said they might move their games into indoor stadium near their schools.

sure ok if there is one.

 

[TaikoTiger]

Don't think you can go past 12 ... too many games. And football is different from hoops about more games.

Also, 12 works for conferences ... 6 AQ, 6 at-large. 4 just never made sense with 5 P5 conferences and then the G5.

12 is probably the best compromise and what we'll end up with by 2026. I do find the Alliance holding out interesting, it's not like they're going to convince the G5s and ND to go with an 8-team over a 12-team. I'm still trying to wrap my head around how ESPN plays apart the Alliance trying to hold out. The Cover 3 podcast mention a little of this, how will holding out help out the BIG and PAC?

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

12 is probably the best compromise and what we'll end up with by 2026. I do find the Alliance holding out interesting, it's not like they're going to convince the G5s and ND to go with an 8-team over a 12-team. I'm still trying to wrap my head around how ESPN plays apart the Alliance trying to hold out. The Cover 3 podcast mention a little of this, how will holding out help out the BIG and PAC?

Yeah, I don't really get it. You never have all the things worked out on something like this. You have a framework and then 2 years to get it done. The idea that the Alliance can't check gum and walk is just nuts - about half a billion lost in nuts.

ACC holding out for 8 made sense if they thought that ND would capitulate ... they would have to join a conference if it was 8, or at least it would be the main reason they would. But what happened is that the minute the killed the current negotiations, they lost any leverage they had. The new deal won't require unanimity. And even though 3 of power 5 will have to agree, we all know that the SEC will blow up the Power5 before it lets the Alliance dictate to them.

As for ESPN, no one disagrees that having 2 or more broadcasters is the way to go. Like the SEC likes ESPN more than money. I don't think so.

Thanks for the podcast, looking forward to listening to it. Here are several from Pat Forde and Dan Wetzel ... I think these guys are funny. I don't always agree with them, but I get a laugh or two in each podcast. The last 2 podcasts have segments on the CFP expansion.

College Sports Podcasts | Yahoo Sports

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

12 is probably the best compromise and what we'll end up with by 2026. I do find the Alliance holding out interesting, it's not like they're going to convince the G5s and ND to go with an 8-team over a 12-team. I'm still trying to wrap my head around how ESPN plays apart the Alliance trying to hold out. The Cover 3 podcast mention a little of this, how will holding out help out the BIG and PAC?

Actually disappointed in their lack of knowledge. I get that they have to have broader knowledge of more sports than I do, but dang they were ignorant on some important issues;
- AQs is not in dispute ... Fornelli said there are going to be 6 AQs, formatted 5-1, as if that was something only he knew about. All 11 stakeholders have agreed on 6 AQs, the issue is 6 best v. 5+1. Explain why the B1G needs 5+1 ... they will never have a CC get left out.
- They didn't know that even though unanimity is gone, 3 of the P5 can block the other 2. Now, the SEC can just say fuck off, and that will end that. But that's kind of an important fact.
- The idea that somehow the SEC getting UT and OU is a bad thing is ridiculous. No one can point out how that affects the 12 team CFP ... it doesn't. What it does do is piss everyone off because their conference didn't get OU and TX, because we know every one of the ACC, B1G and PAC would have signed up OU and TX in a heartbeat if they had gotten the call.
- and more ...

Thanks for the cite ... good stuff.