Interest Decline in College Football?

[Deep Creek]

I am as well for 20 + years. And that’s a fallacy. Short succinct and to the point. That’s how judges want it. They don’t have all day to read long winded diatribes.

Well you are a rare breed then and my hats off to you. I’ve never met one like you.

I play golf twice a week with our district judge and he damn sure ain’t succinct and to the point! We make him keep score so we can just say a single word like four, par, bogey etc when he asks us what we had on the previous hole. If one of us keeps score we have to listen to a play by play detail of every stroke he had on the previous hole!

 

[ericd7633]

Forget your dodge by trying to excuse your lack of a conference championship game but putting down my team the SEC. Whether it matters that you don't have a CCG has no relationship to whether the SEC plays FCS teams or how they schedule. Nice try to distract. It is patently obvious that if you were in the ACC or the B1G, the two conferences you most likely would be in, that you would have to play an extra game against Clemson or tOSU. Now can you see why that's important? You would have a large likelihood of losing those games, and they would likely keep you out of the CFP. So, yes, playing a CCG matters ... it matters a lot in the current configuration. I think you know that.

Now to the BCS games and the way we schedule. Let's first look at your upcoming schedule. Do you think it is any coincidence that you have a bye week (your second of the year) the week before you play Clemson? See, while you criticize us for that, I think it is smart you do that. Nothing wrong with optimizing your schedule, and you shouldn't throw stones while living in a glass house. I'd bet if I went back and looked, ND is smart and strategically places its bye weeks.

I happen to agree that we shouldn't play FCS teams. I do that understanding that we do, and that there is a good rationale for doing it - it funds those programs. But, if we never played another I'd be behind that. I won't pay for tickets to go to such a game. None of us play 1-2 such games. And, I'd put or schedule up against yours all day long. As for the week 11 "byes" who cares when you play them. The SEC starts conference play sooner than other conferences, and we scatter in cupcakes in week 11. It's smart ... and it helps before our weekend of rivalry games. Other teams front load their cupcakes in what is the equivalent of a pre-season. We just happen to use the cupcakes as a byte week later in the season.

I've made it clear I like ND, and that I have a lot of respect for your school and team. You'd be better off just admitting that not playing in a CCG helps you, and that at least in the last decade or so your SOS has not been all that good.

1. We were in the ACC in 2020(one of the years we made the playoffs)
2. When we made it in 2018, OSU wasn't what they were in 2019, 2020 or even last year. They were beatable, especially away from home. I would have taken our chances against them in a B1GCG setting. I'm not guaranteeing anything, but I don't think us losing that particular game is as large as you do.

Not playing in a CCG, has had no bearing thus far on whether we qualify for the CFP. And it definitely won't help is when/if it moves to 12.

As far as our schedule the last decade, our avg SOS according to Sagarin in 27. So it's not great, but certainly not awful. I would consider that playing a good schedule. It also hasn't helped that USC has been down for the last decade, outside of like a year.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

1. We were in the ACC in 2020(one of the years we made the playoffs)
2. When we made it in 2018, OSU wasn't what they were in 2019, 2020 or even last year. They were beatable, especially away from home. I would have taken our chances against them in a B1GCG setting. I'm not guaranteeing anything, but I don't think us losing that particular game is as large as you do.

Not playing in a CCG, has had no bearing thus far on whether we qualify for the CFP. And it definitely won't help is when/if it moves to 12.

As far as our schedule the last decade, our avg SOS according to Sagarin in 27. So it's not great, but certainly not awful. I would consider that playing a good schedule. It also hasn't helped that USC has been down for the last decade, outside of like a year.

You would have lost to Clemson in 2018, so there is that and it's exactly what I am saying ... not playing a CCG is to your benefit. I don't really care that you aren't in a conference. I really don't have a dog in the hunt ... it just seems to me you are trying to defend the obvious. I mean you avoid having to play what is likely the most difficult game of the year, and what would likely be a loss more often than not based on past performance. Not sure how you can say that doesn't matter. It would be like an SEC homer saying only playing 8 IC games doesn't make a difference in our bowl qualifications when of course it does.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Blah blah blah. Do you get paid by the word? You’re also protesting a bit too loudly. I didn’t refer to any one team or conference yet you jumped all over this like a fat girl on a Twinkie.

I am discussing a thread that others brought up. I couldn't care less about you being in a conference or not ... my posts here show that. I am a ND fan of sorts. If you don't want to discuss it, cool. I'll move on.

 

[ericd7633]

You would have lost to Clemson in 2018, so there is that and it's exactly what I am saying ... not playing a CCG is to your benefit. I don't really care that you aren't in a conference. I really don't have a dog in the hunt ... it just seems to me you are trying to defend the obvious. I mean you avoid having to play what is likely the most difficult game of the year, and what would likely be a loss more often than not based on past performance. Not sure how you can say that doesn't matter. It would be like an SEC homer saying only playing 8 IC games doesn't make a difference in our bowl qualifications when of course it does.

Yeah we would have lost to them, but we lost to them in 2020 and still got in. I'm saying with or without playing in one, we still would have made the 2020 CFP, and had we lost to Clemson in 2018, it would have came down to ND, UGA and OSU for the final spot. There's a very real scenario where ND ends up 4. Looking at it from that perspective, it wouldn't have mattered(assuming ND got the 4 seed in 2018).

And we don't have an example of looking at it from the other end, because outside of last year, we wouldn't have been in a position to have 1 loss win a CCG and get in.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Yeah we would have lost to them, but we lost to them in 2020 and still got in. I'm saying with or without playing in one, we still would have made the 2020 CFP, and had we lost to Clemson in 2018, it would have came down to ND, UGA and OSU for the final spot. There's a very real scenario where ND ends up 4. Looking at it from that perspective, it wouldn't have mattered(assuming ND got the 4 seed in 2018).

And we don't have an example of looking at it from the other end, because outside of last year, we wouldn't have been in a position to have 1 loss win a CCG and get in.

I am not saying a loss in the CCG means you are automatically out ... we got in this year and we lost our CCG. As you point out, you got in in 2020 when you lost the CCG. But in 2018 I think tOSU gets in before you had you lost to Clemson in the CCG. They won their CCG and that likely makes the difference. We lost 2 regular season games, so you would have gotten in before UGA that year.

You probably need to ignore 2020 ... being COVID year and all.

We can look at the scenarios like this, but just use your common sense. Playing a CCG every year is normally going to be a against a really good team in the conference you are in, and there will be years when it knocks you out. There will be years when it won't.

At the end of the day, your AD made the concession for the CFP expansion that you would never get a bye. That was a stand-up concession by ND. And once we get to 12 teams, there will be 6 byes and in many years, perhaps most years, you will be in the top 12 so it won't hurt you. But you have to understand that for those teams who have to play in CCG, it seems unfair that you get to avoid what you would be the most likely loss you would face all year. Now, get your SOS up, starting playing UM, MSU, and better teams every year and you can then point out that like some older ND teams you play as a tough a schedule as anyone else CCG or not.

 

[ericd7633]

I am not saying a loss in the CCG means you are automatically out ... we got in this year and we lost our CCG. As you point out, you got in in 2020 when you lost the CCG. But in 2018 I think tOSU gets in before you had you lost to Clemson in the CCG. They won their CCG and that likely makes the difference. We lost 2 regular season games, so you would have gotten in before UGA that year.

You probably need to ignore 2020 ... being COVID year and all.

We can look at the scenarios like this, but just use your common sense. Playing a CCG every year is normally going to be a against a really good team in the conference you are in, and there will be years when it knocks you out. There will be years when it won't.

At the end of the day, your AD made the concession for the CFP expansion that you would never get a bye. That was a stand-up concession by ND. And once we get to 12 teams, there will be 6 byes and in many years, perhaps most years, you will be in the top 12 so it won't hurt you. But you have to understand that for those teams who have to play in CCG, it seems unfair that you get to avoid what you would be the most likely loss you would face all year. Now, get your SOS up, starting playing UM, MSU, and better teams every year and you can then point out that like some older ND teams you play as a tough a schedule as anyone else CCG or not.

Maybe, maybe not. UGA did finish ahead of OSU so it's not out of the question ND gets in. Our SoS would have been significantly better than OSU's adding a game against Clemson.

It's tough for me to ignore 2020 when it's the only point of reference we'll ever have on this topic, unless ND ever does join a conference.

Coming from my point of view, I'm already of the the thinking that 12-0 is what's needed to get into the CFP(4 teamer) so just like with UGA last year and ND the year before, losing that game might not, and in the case of 2020, didn't knock ND out.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Fuck no.