Is Tom Brady the GOAT or just a QB in a great system?

Hmmmm?

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Rock Strongo said:
more roster turnover at key positions (OL, WR, RB) than any other QB in NFL history to play at least 15 years according to the elias sports bureau.

the stat takes into account journeymen and has a GS min.

then theres this stuff:


Regular Season: 541 TDs to 77 different targets ​

  • Rob Gronkowski (78)
  • Randy Moss (39)
  • Julian Edelman (36)
  • Wes Welker (34)
  • James White (24)
  • Deion Branch (24)
  • Aaron Hernandez (18)
  • Daniel Graham (17)
  • Benjamin Watson (17)
  • David Patten (16)
  • Troy Brown (15)
  • Christian Fauria (13)
  • David Givens (12)
  • Chris Hogan (11)
  • Danny Amendola (10)
  • Kevin Faulk (10)
  • Mike Vrabel (8)
  • Phillip Dorsett (7)
  • Brandin Cooks (7)
  • Brandon LaFell (7)
  • Shane Vereen (7)
  • Martellus Bennett (6)
  • Jabar Gaffney (6)
  • Tim Wright (6)
  • Dion Lewis (5)
  • Josh Gordon (4)
  • Reche Caldwell (4)
  • Scott Chandler (4)
  • Aaron Dobson (4)
  • Bethel Johnson (4)
  • Brandon Lloyd (4)
  • Malcolm Mitchell (4)
  • Donte' Stallworth (4)
  • Kenbrell Thompkins (4)
  • Danny Woodhead (4)
  • Rex Burkhead (4)
  • Doug Gabriel (3)
  • Chad Jackson (3)
  • Antowain Smith (3)
  • Jermaine Wiggins (3)
  • Brandon Bolden (3)
  • N'Keal Harry (2)
  • Sam Aiken (2)
  • Kyle Brady (2)
  • Chris Baker (2)
  • Alge Crumpler (2)
  • Corey Dillon (2)
  • Tim Dwight (2)
  • Marc Edwards (2)
  • Donald Hayes (2)
  • Keshawn Martin (2)
  • Cordarrelle Patterson (2)
  • Brandon Tate (2)
  • Dwayne Allen (1)
  • Tom Ashworth (1)
  • LaGarrette Blount (1)
  • Matt Lengel (1)
  • Michael Floyd (1)
  • Larry Centers (1)
  • Cam Cleeland (1)
  • Andre' Davis (1)
  • Heath Evans (1)
  • Terry Glenn (1)
  • Michael Hoomanawanui (1)
  • Charles Johnson (1)
  • Laurence Maroney (1)
  • Mathew Mulligan (1)
  • Chad Ochocinco (1)
  • Patrick Pass (1)
  • David Thomas (1)
  • Brian Tyms (1)
  • Dedric Ward (1)
  • Matt LaCosse (1)
  • Ryan Izzo (1)
  • Elandon Roberts (1)
  • Antonio Brown (1)
  • Mohamed Sanu (1)

Postseason: 73 TDs to 28 different targets​

  • Rob Gronkowski (12)
  • David Givens (7)
  • Danny Amendola (5)
  • Julian Edelman (5)
  • Deion Branch (4)
  • Chris Hogan (4)
  • Wes Welker (4)
  • Jabar Gaffney (3)
  • Benjamin Watson (3)
  • James White (3)
  • Aaron Hernandez (2)
  • Brandon LaFell (2)
  • Shane Vereen (2)
  • Mike Vrabel (2)
  • Phillip Dorsett (2)
  • Troy Brown (1)
  • Reche Caldwell (1)
  • Alge Crumpler (1)
  • James Develin (1)
  • Kevin Faulk (1)
  • Daniel Graham (1)
  • Bethel Johnson (1)
  • Brandon Lloyd (1)
  • Randy Moss (1)
  • David Patten (1)
  • Nate Solder (1)
  • Dion Lewis (1)
  • Danny Woodhead (1)
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HammerDown said:
...not to mention the opposing coach making the worst playcall in the history of organized American sports.

Like I said on tHoop, had that not happened, Brady was going to retire in complete humiliation. He even admitted it.

That one play call put $100M in his pocket.
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Dude.....still WAY too soon.
 
Guns N Guitars said:
Brady won a lot of SBs but he's not the GOAT in my opinion. I doubt he'd have been that successful if he hadn't played under Belichick.
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if montana played for marty schottenheimer...
 
RP-29 said:
There is no definitive QB GOAT.

There are at least 10 guys legitimately in the discussion and how someone ranks them is determined by one's own weight of one's own criteria.
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Rock Strongo said:
more roster turnover at key positions (OL, WR, RB) than any other QB in NFL history to play at least 15 years according to the elias sports bureau.

the stat takes into account journeymen and has a GS min.

then theres this stuff:


Regular Season: 541 TDs to 77 different targets ​

  • Rob Gronkowski (78)
  • Randy Moss (39)
  • Julian Edelman (36)
  • Wes Welker (34)
  • James White (24)
  • Deion Branch (24)
  • Aaron Hernandez (18)
  • Daniel Graham (17)
  • Benjamin Watson (17)
  • David Patten (16)
  • Troy Brown (15)
  • Christian Fauria (13)
  • David Givens (12)
  • Chris Hogan (11)
  • Danny Amendola (10)
  • Kevin Faulk (10)
  • Mike Vrabel (8)
  • Phillip Dorsett (7)
  • Brandin Cooks (7)
  • Brandon LaFell (7)
  • Shane Vereen (7)
  • Martellus Bennett (6)
  • Jabar Gaffney (6)
  • Tim Wright (6)
  • Dion Lewis (5)
  • Josh Gordon (4)
  • Reche Caldwell (4)
  • Scott Chandler (4)
  • Aaron Dobson (4)
  • Bethel Johnson (4)
  • Brandon Lloyd (4)
  • Malcolm Mitchell (4)
  • Donte' Stallworth (4)
  • Kenbrell Thompkins (4)
  • Danny Woodhead (4)
  • Rex Burkhead (4)
  • Doug Gabriel (3)
  • Chad Jackson (3)
  • Antowain Smith (3)
  • Jermaine Wiggins (3)
  • Brandon Bolden (3)
  • N'Keal Harry (2)
  • Sam Aiken (2)
  • Kyle Brady (2)
  • Chris Baker (2)
  • Alge Crumpler (2)
  • Corey Dillon (2)
  • Tim Dwight (2)
  • Marc Edwards (2)
  • Donald Hayes (2)
  • Keshawn Martin (2)
  • Cordarrelle Patterson (2)
  • Brandon Tate (2)
  • Dwayne Allen (1)
  • Tom Ashworth (1)
  • LaGarrette Blount (1)
  • Matt Lengel (1)
  • Michael Floyd (1)
  • Larry Centers (1)
  • Cam Cleeland (1)
  • Andre' Davis (1)
  • Heath Evans (1)
  • Terry Glenn (1)
  • Michael Hoomanawanui (1)
  • Charles Johnson (1)
  • Laurence Maroney (1)
  • Mathew Mulligan (1)
  • Chad Ochocinco (1)
  • Patrick Pass (1)
  • David Thomas (1)
  • Brian Tyms (1)
  • Dedric Ward (1)
  • Matt LaCosse (1)
  • Ryan Izzo (1)
  • Elandon Roberts (1)
  • Antonio Brown (1)
  • Mohamed Sanu (1)

Postseason: 73 TDs to 28 different targets​

  • Rob Gronkowski (12)
  • David Givens (7)
  • Danny Amendola (5)
  • Julian Edelman (5)
  • Deion Branch (4)
  • Chris Hogan (4)
  • Wes Welker (4)
  • Jabar Gaffney (3)
  • Benjamin Watson (3)
  • James White (3)
  • Aaron Hernandez (2)
  • Brandon LaFell (2)
  • Shane Vereen (2)
  • Mike Vrabel (2)
  • Phillip Dorsett (2)
  • Troy Brown (1)
  • Reche Caldwell (1)
  • Alge Crumpler (1)
  • James Develin (1)
  • Kevin Faulk (1)
  • Daniel Graham (1)
  • Bethel Johnson (1)
  • Brandon Lloyd (1)
  • Randy Moss (1)
  • David Patten (1)
  • Nate Solder (1)
  • Dion Lewis (1)
  • Danny Woodhead (1)
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so we proved its a system thing.....
 
huskers1217 said:
so we proved its a system thing.....
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culture, not system. the pats have been brilliant at finding spots for guys who dont usually get them, and making it work, or guys on a prove it deal.

people just buy in to the winning here. and the roster turnover shows that. guys come here to play hard and get their bigcontract elsewhere.
 
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Bless you all ... especially hummerdwn
 
Tom Brady is the best QB to ever grace the Football field, if you disagree you are either stupid or a troll
 
Other. TB might have been pretty dam good without BB but we will never know for sure.
I do know BB is among the best ever to coach an NFL team.
Count me as undecided until this season ends.
 
Carnzo said:
Other. TB might have been pretty dam good without BB but we will never know for sure.
I do know BB is among the best ever to coach an NFL team.
Count me as undecided until this season ends.
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Greatest ever NFL coaches:
1.) Jeff Fisher
2.) Buddy Ryan
3.) Bill Belichick
 
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