Jalen Hurts Wants 45 Million Per Year Deal

steelerssb said:
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Don't know that I would put in a no trade clause if I played for Philly. I would put a clause that said I had to agree to the team that I was being traded to but shouldn't the goal be to get out of that shithole?
 
Wild Turkey said:
Don't know that I would put in a no trade clause if I played for Philly. I would put a clause that said I had to agree to the team that I was being traded to but shouldn't the goal be to get out of that shithole?
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Something tells me that you and Hurts do not have the same life goals.
 
I think it's a good deal on both parties. Keep in mind that Hurts is still only 24 yo and probably will only get better as he continues his growth and development. Hes easily the SB MVP if the Eagles could have been on winning end of the SB. And he has job security as well with a NTC in his contract. The Eagles did the work for the Ravens, Bengals, Chargers, and others who are due to QB extensions.
 
fordman84 said:
And I fully expect Hurts to reset the QB pay scale. 4/200, fully guaranteed.
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Oh so close. One more year, same annual average, not quite the guaranteed money. I love that they did this deal. I'm sure it saves a lot of money next season, and then starts to load up. Can stretch it out every year like all NFL contracts do, but a QB who is a threat to roll out quickly loses his value and this contract will stink in 2024. Plus Lane and Kelce are just about on the way out (but their contracts will live on) and when he needs to be mobile the most, his legs will leave him. Now just need the skins to screw up their long term QB situation and the entire NFCE will be on a level field.
 
fordman84 said:
Oh so close. One more year, same annual average, not quite the guaranteed money. I love that they did this deal. I'm sure it saves a lot of money next season, and then starts to load up. Can stretch it out every year like all NFL contracts do, but a QB who is a threat to roll out quickly loses his value and this contract will stink in 2024. Plus Lane and Kelce are just about on the way out (but their contracts will live on) and when he needs to be mobile the most, his legs will leave him. Now just need the skins to screw up their long term QB situation and the entire NFCE will be on a level field.
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Tiny bump in 2023, slight increases in 2024 and 2025. Not until 2026 is it a "big" cap number.

 
Guy Incognito said:
Tiny bump in 2023, slight increases in 2024 and 2025. Not until 2026 is it a "big" cap number.

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So by my math, that leaves over $100M in guarantees for the last 2 years. Plus whatever those 24-26 base comp gets turned to signing bonus for cap reasons. I like pushing all in for the now, but that's going to be a Rodgers/Brees level albatross in 27/28.
 
fordman84 said:
So by my math, that leaves over $100M in guarantees for the last 2 years. Plus whatever those 24-26 base comp gets turned to signing bonus for cap reasons. I like pushing all in for the now, but that's going to be a Rodgers/Brees level albatross in 27/28.
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And they renegotiate, and the great cosmic dance continues.
 
Guy Incognito said:
And they renegotiate, and the great cosmic dance continues.
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So the Eagles have found a way to finally beat the system, Hurts will just forget the massive guarantee at the end of the contract? Or he will be the first scrambling QB who keeps his legs at the age of 30?

Cool.
 
fordman84 said:
So the Eagles have found a way to finally beat the system, Hurts will just forget the massive guarantee at the end of the contract? Or he will be the first scrambling QB who keeps his legs at the age of 30?

Cool.
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It doesn't go away, it gets bundled into a new contract with different cap hits.

Also, they're anticipating $28 million jumps in the cap. Unless another COVID year happens, '27 and '28 are looking like $320M or more for salary caps. A $50 million cap number against $320 million isn't the same as a $50 million cap number against $208M.
 
Guy Incognito said:
It doesn't go away, it gets bundled into a new contract with different cap hits.

Also, they're anticipating $28 million jumps in the cap. Unless another COVID year happens, '27 and '28 are looking like $320M or more for salary caps. A $50 million cap number against $320 million isn't the same as a $50 million cap number against $208M.
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I don't know who "they" are that keeps expecting this jump, but we are in a recession and will be at least through 2028. The big money TV contracts are all renewed beyond that. The income is already known, unless you think we will see a >50% jump in all ticket sales/prices in the NFL over the next 4 years. Zero chance in 4 years the salary cap goes up 50%.

We have never seen a 28M jump in the salary cap in a year. The largest by dollar was 2022 when it went up by $25m, the largest in percentage I think is 2006 which was a 20% jump. The two largest years were 2006 and 1998, tied to new CBA's and TV deals. Based on the new Sunday Ticket deal I could see next season it going up $40m (a 20% jump) but that won't happen every year throughout that deal. Sure it will look less bad in a few years, but when you couple the base + accrued cap hit + natural regression due to age and his skillset it's going to be an issue.

But, I also realize I have had this conversation with Eagle fans before. Carson was paid handsomely after his AMVP year and was the future, then Foles was paid well after he won the SB and he would be the future, and now JHurts is AMVP and paid well and he will be the future.
 
Cleveland created this new trend and are laughing at the disfunction its caused.
 
fordman84 said:
I don't know who "they" are that keeps expecting this jump, but we are in a recession and will be at least through 2028. The big money TV contracts are all renewed beyond that. The income is already known, unless you think we will see a >50% jump in all ticket sales/prices in the NFL over the next 4 years. Zero chance in 4 years the salary cap goes up 50%.

We have never seen a 28M jump in the salary cap in a year. The largest by dollar was 2022 when it went up by $25m, the largest in percentage I think is 2006 which was a 20% jump. The two largest years were 2006 and 1998, tied to new CBA's and TV deals. Based on the new Sunday Ticket deal I could see next season it going up $40m (a 20% jump) but that won't happen every year throughout that deal. Sure it will look less bad in a few years, but when you couple the base + accrued cap hit + natural regression due to age and his skillset it's going to be an issue.

But, I also realize I have had this conversation with Eagle fans before. Carson was paid handsomely after his AMVP year and was the future, then Foles was paid well after he won the SB and he would be the future, and now JHurts is AMVP and paid well and he will be the future.
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2023 cap: $224.8 million. With 7% increases (standard from their previous new TV deal), that's $239.7 in 2024, $256.5 in 2025, $274.4 in 2026, and $293.6 in 2027. 2028 would then be $314.2M.

I don't think that these will be the exact numbers, but this mirrors 2014-2020, where the cap went up roughly 7% (a flat 7% increase from 2014 to 2020 would have led to a 2020 cap of $199.6, it wound up being $198.2, NFL Cap History).

I agree that there is risk, but the Eagles have been willing to take the risk and also do what is necessary to clean it up in the event it doesn't work. So I am content to roll with it.
 
Tharvot said:
Cleveland created this new trend and are laughing at the disfunction its caused.
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yeah, they really showed up everyone. No one else has a fully guaranteed multi year contract, and all have QB's better than Watson. :dhd:
 
Guy Incognito said:
2023 cap: $224.8 million. With 7% increases (standard from their previous new TV deal), that's $239.7 in 2024, $256.5 in 2025, $274.4 in 2026, and $293.6 in 2027. 2028 would then be $314.2M.

I don't think that these will be the exact numbers, but this mirrors 2014-2020, where the cap went up roughly 7% (a flat 7% increase from 2014 to 2020 would have led to a 2020 cap of $199.6, it wound up being $198.2, NFL Cap History).

I agree that there is risk, but the Eagles have been willing to take the risk and also do what is necessary to clean it up in the event it doesn't work. So I am content to roll with it.
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7% gains during a booming economy is different than one during a recession.
 
fordman84 said:
7% gains during a booming economy is different than one during a recession.
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The only time the cap's gone down or stayed flat was 2021 and a blip from 2010-2013 during CBA negotiations. They've got neither a pandemic nor a CBA negotiation coming. If the cap isn't $300 million by 2028 (5% YOY increases is $301M), I'd be surprised.

Even if we start at the $264.4 (speculative number you provided for 2024) and go super conservative with 2% cap increases, that's $270.1M in 2025, $275.5 in '26, $281M in 2027, and $286M in 2028. A $55 million cap number looks obscene now, but it's less than 20% of the $286M cap. They'd obviously like to get that number lower, but that's what the renegotiation is for.
 
Guy Incognito said:
The only time the cap's gone down or stayed flat was 2021 and a blip from 2010-2013 during CBA negotiations. They've got neither a pandemic nor a CBA negotiation coming. If the cap isn't $300 million by 2028 (5% YOY increases is $301M), I'd be surprised.

Even if we start at the $264.4 (speculative number you provided for 2024) and go super conservative with 2% cap increases, that's $270.1M in 2025, $275.5 in '26, $281M in 2027, and $286M in 2028. A $55 million cap number looks obscene now, but it's less than 20% of the $286M cap. They'd obviously like to get that number lower, but that's what the renegotiation is for.
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You have no idea if they have another pandemic in the works.
 
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