Jim Harbaugh gone to NFL

NewPhoneWhoDis said:
So every good team OSU faced didn't run the ball down their throat? Seeing as how UM, Utah and Oregon ran for almost 900 yards on them -- I'd say it is pretty accurate what i say?
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Literally nobody is claiming Ohio States run defense was not a mess this year........

The fact that you think there being no real D-Coordinator, no real direction or scheme, had nothing at all to do with it is ridiculous though. Yes the Dline was underwhelming I dont think anyone would argue against that. But proper direction and scheme could have helped at least a little.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
I love his thought that if true freshmen aren't immediately 1st team all Americans they are unimpressive failures.
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Just a heads up. You guys started exactly one true freshman on your defense.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Literally nobody is claiming Ohio States run defense was not a mess this year........

The fact that you think there being no real D-Coordinator, no real direction or scheme, had nothing at all to do with it is ridiculous though. Yes the Dline was underwhelming I dont think anyone would argue against that. But proper direction and scheme could have helped at least a little.
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Getting pushed around and blown off the ball isn't a schematic issue. Go watch the Utah game again -- watch Tyreke Smith get absolutely rag dolled by Utah's TE three different times. Not just blown off the ball, but pancaked. That isn't scheme, that is simply not being physical enough. Go watch the final drive against Michigan -- Everyone in the world knew they were going to run the ball over and over. They went 75 yards in 6 plays, all runs, all with the DL getting blown off the ball.

What scheme is a defensive coordinator going to run if their DL is getting blown off the ball? Whatever it is -- can you send it to my Detroit Lions? They'd love to use that coordinator's scheme. Hell -- Michigan would have loved to know that scheme against Georgia.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Literally nobody is claiming Ohio States run defense was not a mess this year........

The fact that you think there being no real D-Coordinator, no real direction or scheme, had nothing at all to do with it is ridiculous though. Yes the Dline was underwhelming I dont think anyone would argue against that. But proper direction and scheme could have helped at least a little.
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So, ohio state had an off year finishing with a horrible season 11-2 ... I wish that were an off year for Michigan. You shouldn't have to defend your team. The basic premise of this entire thread is bull shit. It will be good to see next year if the Michigan/ohio state rivalry is back to interesting!!!!!
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Just a heads up. You guys started exactly one true freshman on your defense.
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3 freshmen saw a decent amount of time on Dline (JTT, Sawyer, Williams) and all showed flashes. OF COURSE it was a lot against lower teams later in games but that doesnt mean you cant see the ability. You dog them though but in the same breath claim Michigan will just plug and play and replace Hutchinson and Ojabos production.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Getting pushed around and blown off the ball isn't a schematic issue. Go watch the Utah game again -- watch Tyreke Smith get absolutely rag dolled by Utah's TE three different times. Not just blown off the ball, but pancaked. That isn't scheme, that is simply not being physical enough. Go watch the final drive against Michigan -- Everyone in the world knew they were going to run the ball over and over. They went 75 yards in 6 plays, all runs, all with the DL getting blown off the ball.

What scheme is a defensive coordinator going to run if their DL is getting blown off the ball? Whatever it is -- can you send it to my Detroit Lions? They'd love to use that coordinator's scheme. Hell -- Michigan would have loved to know that scheme against Georgia.
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Ok

1. The Utah game is a stupid example considering we had a MASH unit out there on all levels

2. Even then you clearly did not watch the Utah game if you think they were gashing us up the middle all game. Their QB had 40% of their rushing yards with most coming on broken plays and scrambles. Their power back only had 67 yards on 18 carries.

3. Tyreke Smith is gone, he was bad all year.

Haskell Garrett was a bull last year but suddenly was wildly ineffective this year. I guess it happens.

Once again "down" years happen, you taking that as said down year will be the yearly norm going forward is foolish.
 
Voltaire said:
So, ohio state had an off year finishing with a horrible season 11-2 ... I wish that were an off year for Michigan. You shouldn't have to defend your team. The basic premise of this entire thread is bull shit. It will be good to see next year if the Michigan/ohio state rivalry is back to interesting!!!!!
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Im not even trying to defend them (minus the Utah game, ill give some to that)

The asinine logic that 1 bad year = a trend that will carry on year to year cracks me up though.

Also the guy clearly doesn't pay much attention to Ohio State overall. Yea we've had great individual defensive players, but our defenses since Meyer have generally not been great. Its usually 1 unit (pass/run) is solid and the other is a mess.

Hell the 2014 National title team defense was fucking 110th in pass defense.

Denying that constant coaching turnover and zero consistency in that department has something to do with that is just ignorance.
 
I am sure this has bee mentioned here but a Harbaugh topic doesn't deserve to go back and read each post from 7 pages. But this is a pure contract raise move by Harbaugh. He got his salary cut due to subpar results and finally this year he gets Michigan to the playoff so now he is trying to get back that lost money.

If I am Michigan I tell him best of luck.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Ok

1. The Utah game is a stupid example considering we had a MASH unit out there on all levels

2. Even then you clearly did not watch the Utah game if you think they were gashing us up the middle all game. Their QB had 40% of their rushing yards with most coming on broken plays and scrambles. Their power back only had 67 yards on 18 carries.

3. Tyreke Smith is gone, he was bad all year.

Haskell Garrett was a bull last year but suddenly was wildly ineffective this year. I guess it happens.

Once again "down" years happen, you taking that as said down year will be the yearly norm going forward is foolish.
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If they had a bunch of guys returning who were great for them -- I'd agree with you that it was just a down year. They do not.

The one guy returning on the DL and I hope is still a starter is Zach Harrison. He is terrible. Could the next in line guys be really good? Absolutely. But usually when that is the case -- you see them playing a lot more than you did this year for OSU.

There isn't a guy on OSU's defense where teams are looking and going -- we are going to have to game plan away from him. In the prior 10+ years -- there has been those players at every level. Whether it was a Bosa at DE, it was Chase Young, it was Okudah or Ward or Lattimore shutting down half the field.

OSU had none of that this year and while it isn't the norm for them, there is nothing shown by the backups that makes you worry about facing that defense.

And UM's defense is screwed. They will be a shell of themselves. Chris Hinton declared for the draft today. So 6 or 7 of the top 8 are gone. The offense will be good next year -- the defense is a huge question mark, because UM doesn't recruit like Bama, Georgia, OSU. They always seem to have DE's but at DT and Safety, it is going to be patchwork for them, unless they finally use the transfer portal, which the school essentially refuses to allow them academically. Unless a guy is a grad transfer with a clean slate academically -- UM admins won't let them in, which I do not understand
 
Ohio State has not beaten Michigan in football for 768 days.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Im not even trying to defend them (minus the Utah game, ill give some to that)

The asinine logic that 1 bad year = a trend that will carry on year to year cracks me up though.

Also the guy clearly doesn't pay much attention to Ohio State overall. Yea we've had great individual defensive players, but our defenses since Meyer have generally not been great. Its usually 1 unit (pass/run) is solid and the other is a mess.

Hell the 2014 National title team defense was fucking 110th in pass defense.

Denying that constant coaching turnover and zero consistency in that department has something to do with that is just ignorance.
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Has nothing to do with 1 bad year being a trend. If you were returning All-B1G talent at each level -- I'd say, you know what, they just needed time to get used to CFB. You return one guy at CB and it was actually the guy UM threw at the most in our game.
Could Sawyer and JTT come in and be dominant? Sure. Just as easily as they could come in and be mediocre. OSU didn't have just one hole to fill or two, they had holes at every level of the defense. That's why I think they struggle defensively next year and when I say struggle -- I mean, they get hammered by any team with talent. OSU could beat 80% of the B1G by 10+ points without even playing their starters. That's how much more talented they are than most of the B1G
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Has nothing to do with 1 bad year being a trend. If you were returning All-B1G talent at each level -- I'd say, you know what, they just needed time to get used to CFB. You return one guy at CB and it was actually the guy UM threw at the most in our game.
Could Sawyer and JTT come in and be dominant? Sure. Just as easily as they could come in and be mediocre. OSU didn't have just one hole to fill or two, they had holes at every level of the defense. That's why I think they struggle defensively next year and when I say struggle -- I mean, they get hammered by any team with talent. OSU could beat 80% of the B1G by 10+ points without even playing their starters. That's how much more talented they are than most of the B1G
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Ive never once claimed Ohio State will be "dominant" on defense next year. I said id bet they are at least somewhat better

Having a actual coherent defensive coaching staff with order will surely help. I know you claim "that doesnt matter" but as seen with your own team sometimes a change gets good results. Hutchinson had 3.5 sacks in 3 years and Ojabo basically did nothing before this year. Good coaches find ways to get their best athletes to shine, and ways to masks their weaknesses. The different looks they brought under a new coach definitely helped a secondary that is pretty pedestrian look a lot better than they really are.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Ive never once claimed Ohio State will be "dominant" on defense next year. I said id bet they are at least somewhat better

Having a actual coherent defensive coaching staff with order will surely help. I know you claim "that doesnt matter" but as seen with your own team sometimes a change gets good results. Hutchinson had 3.5 sacks in 3 years and Ojabo basically did nothing before this year. Good coaches find ways to get their best athletes to shine, and ways to masks their weaknesses. The different looks they brought under a new coach definitely helped a secondary that is pretty pedestrian look a lot better than they really are.
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What I stated is -- coaching and scheme weren't to blame for getting pushed around by physical teams.

I agree with you a new coach may be able to hide some of the deficiencies on the defensive side of the ball. A coach or scheme isn't going to make a player more physical though. It is like the Michigan fans who wanted Joe Milton to be the starting QB last year saying all Harbaugh has to do is teach him how to be accurate and have touch on his passes. Some things players are just born with and no amount of coaching is going to change that.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
What I stated is -- coaching and scheme weren't to blame for getting pushed around by physical teams.

I agree with you a new coach may be able to hide some of the deficiencies on the defensive side of the ball. A coach or scheme isn't going to make a player more physical though. It is like the Michigan fans who wanted Joe Milton to be the starting QB last year saying all Harbaugh has to do is teach him how to be accurate and have touch on his passes. Some things players are just born with and no amount of coaching is going to change that.
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Certain players who were perfectly capable last year and before (like Haskell Garrett) all of a sudden were soft and couldn't do shit this year. When there's multiple difference coaches who have no clue what they are doing screaming different things at you and no real direction, it probably messes with your psyche.
 
Chiro chiro chirp?
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Literally nobody is claiming Ohio States run defense was not a mess this year........

The fact that you think there being no real D-Coordinator, no real direction or scheme, had nothing at all to do with it is ridiculous though. Yes the Dline was underwhelming I dont think anyone would argue against that. But proper direction and scheme could have helped at least a little.
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Our dline was a huge disappointment this year
 
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