Kershaw PERFECT through 7 innings

trojanfan12 said:
That's all understandable, but a teams first priority is the health of its players, or at least it should be.

I get it. As a Dodgers fan, I was torn. On the one hand, it was not only a chance to witness history...it was a chance to watch my favorite player on my favorite team doing it. Superstitiously, I was trying to decide if I should risk jinxing it by letting my son know so he could watch with me if he came back out for the 8th. lol

If we were a little farther into the season and Kershaw had a few starts and his arm built up, I think the decision would have been different. If Roberts left him in and then he ended up on IR again, the same folks blasting him for taking him out, would be blasting him for leaving him in, in what was an otherwise meaningless game.

It is funny, the final out of the 7th inning was made on a really nice play by Gavin Lux on sharp grounder up the middle. I wonder if Roberts was kind of hoping that ball got through. lol
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From what I understand, it was Kershaw's choice to come out of the game so I guess I won't shake my fist at the sky too much about it.

I do worry about whether analytics will make this a common trend and not a circumstantial incident like this one obviously was.

*shakes fist at sky anyways
 
Texans? Never Heard of Them said:
From what I understand, it was Kershaw's choice to come out of the game so I guess I won't shake my fist at the sky too much about it.
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Yeah, from what I read, it was kind of mutual. Roberts gave him the respect of talking it over with him and at least letting him make a case if he wanted to go for it.

I and other Dodgers fans have been pretty critical of some of Roberts decisions regarding the rotation over the years and much of it was deserved. But I have to agree with him on this, even though I kind of don't want to. lol

Kershaw being onboard with it helps with that too.
 
trojanfan12 said:
That's all understandable, but a teams first priority is the health of its players, or at least it should be.

I get it. As a Dodgers fan, I was torn. On the one hand, it was not only a chance to witness history...it was a chance to watch my favorite player on my favorite team doing it. Superstitiously, I was trying to decide if I should risk jinxing it by letting my son know so he could watch with me if he came back out for the 8th. lol

If we were a little farther into the season and Kershaw had a few starts and his arm built up, I think the decision would have been different. If Roberts left him in and then he ended up on IR again, the same folks blasting him for taking him out, would be blasting him for leaving him in, in what was an otherwise meaningless game.

It is funny, the final out of the 7th inning was made on a really nice play by Gavin Lux on sharp grounder up the middle. I wonder if Roberts was kind of hoping that ball got through. lol
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Here is the issue though

And its what Jeff Passan brought up as well and hes researched it for years.

There is simply nothing scientifically that supports throwing a few more innings in early April will lead to injuries. The arm injuries are random and can happen at any time.

Sure, its more likely in the same sense that its more like I get hit by a car crossing the street if I cross the street 700 times a day compared to once a month. The more you do something the more a certain outcome can happen, with anything of course.

But there is absolutely nothing to support that supposed "extra stress" on the arm that so many people reference. Kershaw can and probably will end up on the IL at any point this season. Might even be for a groin issue landing awkwardly throwing a warm up toss. Injuries happen no matter how "safe" you are. If an arm feels good in a game and its pitching well...........simple math says use that arm.

Also, Dave Roberts is the king of bringing his overworked starter back for NO REASON to pitch on two days rest in the 5th inning of a playoff game. So lets not have anyone act like this guy is some mastermind of health. Hes just got dumb fucking theories on when to use pitchers.
 
Mr.Hockey said:
Here is the issue though

And its what Jeff Passan brought up as well and hes researched it for years.

There is simply nothing scientifically that supports throwing a few more innings in early April will lead to injuries. The arm injuries are random and can happen at any time.

Sure, its more likely in the same sense that its more like I get hit by a car crossing the street if I cross the street 700 times a day compared to once a month. The more you do something the more a certain outcome can happen, with anything of course.

But there is absolutely nothing to support that supposed "extra stress" on the arm that so many people reference. Kershaw can and probably will end up on the IL at any point this season. Might even be for a groin issue landing awkwardly throwing a warm up toss. Injuries happen no matter how "safe" you are. If an arm feels good in a game and its pitching well...........simple math says use that arm.

Also, Dave Roberts is the king of bringing his overworked starter back for NO REASON to pitch on two days rest in the 5th inning of a playoff game. So lets not have anyone act like this guy is some mastermind of health. Hes just got dumb fucking theories on when to use pitchers.
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Except that Kershaw has spent time on IR 6 times over the past 6 seasons, including twice last season. He missed last seasons playoffs because of an elbow issue and his last start was in September of last year when he left the game because of the injury that kept him out of the playoffs.

For most of Kershaw's career he has either led the league or been among league leaders in innings pitched. That's a lot of innings nn that arm. It's also why, for the past 2-3 years there has been a notable drop in his effectiveness after 5 innings. Also, he's coming off a shortened spring training, so his arm isn't built up to full strength.

The accumulation of innings, especuially on an older pitcher is going to have an effect,tire the arm out and make it more susceptible to injury.

Team doctors, team trainers, the FO, the manager and Kershaw himself have all said this was the right move for him in that situation. No offense, but I'll take what they say over some columnist looking for clicks.
 
trojanfan12 said:
Except that Kershaw has spent time on IR 6 times over the past 6 seasons, including twice last season. He missed last seasons playoffs because of an elbow issue and his last start was in September of last year when he left the game because of the injury that kept him out of the playoffs.

For most of Kershaw's career he has either led the league or been among league leaders in innings pitched. That's a lot of innings nn that arm. It's also why, for the past 2-3 years there has been a notable drop in his effectiveness after 5 innings. Also, he's coming off a shortened spring training, so his arm isn't built up to full strength.

The accumulation of innings, especuially on an older pitcher is going to have an effect,tire the arm out and make it more susceptible to injury.

Team doctors, team trainers, the FO, the manager and Kershaw himself have all said this was the right move for him in that situation. No offense, but I'll take what they say over some columnist looking for clicks.
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Wait, everyone in an organization supported each other to the media.

No offense, but even if Kershaw hated the move there is not a chance in hell he is saying shit
 
Mr.Hockey said:
Wait, everyone in an organization supported each other to the media.

No offense, but even if Kershaw hated the move there is not a chance in hell he is saying shit
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Then you haven't been watching Kershaw. At the least, he would have expressed his displeasure when Roberts approached him. I watched the game, saw the exchange after he came out for the 6th inning and he was clearly good with the decision.

So again, I'll go with what people who actually play the game, have actual medical degrees and have been working closely with him since he was injured last year said was best.
 
williewilliejuan said:
It was the Twins and they had a three run lead at the time. C’mon let the man go out on his shield.

Reason #8,975,987 to hate the Dodgers. Total shit organization.
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Six run lead
 
trojanfan12 said:
Then you haven't been watching Kershaw. At the least, he would have expressed his displeasure when Roberts approached him. I watched the game, saw the exchange after he came out for the 6th inning and he was clearly good with the decision.

So again, I'll go with what people who actually play the game, have actual medical degrees and have been working closely with him since he was injured last year said was best.
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Shit, with that logic. Might as well not watch sports because you can literally never critique a single thing.
 
trojanfan12 said:
lol

What the hell does that even mean?
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Snl Season 47 GIF by Saturday Night Live
 
moxie said:
blinking trailer park boys GIF


That you don't have an opinion of your own on anything because you're trusting the litany of people whose opinion you value more.
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Yes, because after all, the personal opinion of some message board dumbass on the best way to deal with a sports injury is always going to be more likely to be correct than that of the doctor who actually treats the injuries. lol
 
trojanfan12 said:
Yes, because after all, the personal opinion of some message board dumbass on the best way to deal with a sports injury is always going to be more likely to be correct than that of the doctor who actually treats the injuries. lol
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But that's not what he was saying. He's saying you're giving up YOUR opinions/critiques because you trust those people more. Which is somewhat sensible, but why the hell watch sports if you can't MMQB? Laaaaaaaaaaaame.
 
moxie said:
But that's not what he was saying. He's saying you're giving up YOUR opinions/critiques because you trust those people more. Which is somewhat sensible, but why the hell watch sports if you can't MMQB? Laaaaaaaaaaaame.
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So it's better to have an uninformed opinion than an informed opinion.

Good to know.
 
trojanfan12 said:
So it's better to have an uninformed opinion than an informed opinion.

Good to know.
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Y’all give way too much shrift to the opinions of pundits and experts.
Have you seen the avalanche of bad decisions head coaches and GMs make in football on a weekly basis?
Do you know that baseball went through a long-needed sea-change when sabremetrics were introduced? All the EXPERTS had it wrong for a century.
You don’t need to have played in cfb or the nfl to know that drafting Tebow, playing Tebow, then trading for him was colossally idiotic.
Do all football teams in cfb and nfl field punts with a few seconds left in the first half? Yes they do. It’s completely illogical and idiotic.
 
ELTEXAN said:
Y’all give way too much shrift to the opinions of pundits and experts.
Have you seen the avalanche of bad decisions head coaches and GMs make in football on a weekly basis?
Do you know that baseball went through a long-needed sea-change when sabremetrics were introduced? All the EXPERTS had it wrong for a century.
You don’t need to have played in cfb or the nfl to know that drafting Tebow, playing Tebow, then trading for him was colossally idiotic.
Do all football teams in cfb and nfl field punts with a few seconds left in the first half? Yes they do. It’s completely illogical and idiotic.
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lol

None of this has anything to do with the discussion.
 
ELTEXAN said:
Your literal words, dunce.
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And your post still had nothing to do with the discussion. It was about some columnists opinion compared to that of an actual doctor who treated the injury and the person who actually suffered the injury, dunce.
 
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