2024 NLCS LA Dodgers VS the NY Mets

Illustrious Potentate said:
I don’t care about any of that. I don’t really like rewarding penny pinching billionaires, but I’m pull for the cheapskates this go around just because of the trashiness of the other teams left
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I'm not going to pretend I know the full bank accounts of every MLB owner, but I do know not all of them are billionaires, not all of them are owned by one person and several of them have more than just one sports franchise to take care of. "Penny pinching billionaires" may describe a few MLB owners and I'd agree with you that those guys can fuck off, but painting all MLB franchises with bottom-half payrolls as such is a fallacy.

Making the playoffs with a lower payroll indicates the franchise was built through wise management, good development and hard work. The teams with the highest payrolls are the ones who throw big money at the biggest name free agents in an attempt to BUY a championship and I don't respect that.
 
RP-29 said:
I'm not going to pretend I know the full bank accounts of every MLB owner, but I do know not all of them are billionaires, not all of them are owned by one person and several of them have more than just one sports franchise to take care of. "Penny pinching billionaires" may describe a few MLB owners and I'd agree with you that those guys can fuck off, but painting all MLB franchises with bottom-half payrolls as such is a fallacy.

Making the playoffs with a lower payroll indicates the franchise was built through wise management, good development and hard work. The teams with the highest payrolls are the ones who throw big money at the biggest name free agents in an attempt to BUY a championship and I don't respect that.
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I prefer the players get paid
 
RP-29 said:
Making the playoffs with a lower payroll indicates the franchise was built through wise management, good development and hard work. The teams with the highest payrolls are the ones who throw big money at the biggest name free agents in an attempt to BUY a championship and I don't respect that.
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See, I disagree with this. Last I checked, part of owning a professional sports franchise is putting the absolute best product you can on the field. If you're a team with the means to bring in a bunch of star players, then that's what you're going to do or should. If you're a team that doesn't have those means, you have to build a team another way.

Typically, people who complain about teams trying to "buy" championships are fans of teams that for whatever reason (owner can't or won't spend, located where players don't want to go). To me, one of the more frustrating things in sports is having an owner/ownership group that could spend to bring in top players but won't.

I used to be a die hard Rams fan when they were in LA the first time. For several years, they seemed to be a player or 2 away from being a true Super Bowl caliber team, but would never spend the money to bring in those one or 2 players they needed. It was frustrating as hell watching them win a lot of games every year, only to watch them come up short in the playoffs against teams that did what was necessary to build a Super Bowl team like the Niners and Cowboys.
 
trojanfan12 said:
See, I disagree with this. Last I checked, part of owning a professional sports franchise is putting the absolute best product you can on the field. If you're a team with the means to bring in a bunch of star players, then that's what you're going to do or should. If you're a team that doesn't have those means, you have to build a team another way.

Typically, people who complain about teams trying to "buy" championships are fans of teams that for whatever reason (owner can't or won't spend, located where players don't want to go). To me, one of the more frustrating things in sports is having an owner/ownership group that could spend to bring in top players but won't.
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Your perspective is valid and it's no surprise you take that stance as a Dodgers fan. Yes, "putting the absolute best product you can on the field" is the goal for every franchise (except the A's, Marlins and Pirates). My issue is it's not a level playing field; large market clubs have significant advantage over small market clubs in MLB.

trojanfan12 said:
I used to be a die hard Rams fan when they were in LA the first time. For several years, they seemed to be a player or 2 away from being a true Super Bowl caliber team, but would never spend the money to bring in those one or 2 players they needed. It was frustrating as hell watching them win a lot of games every year, only to watch them come up short in the playoffs against teams that did what was necessary to build a Super Bowl team like the Niners and Cowboys.
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You realize you're speaking to a Packers fan who just watched one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game continuously come up short in the playoffs largely because defense and special teams could never get their crap together, right? That said, there is strong competitive balance in the NFL and the size of the market doesn't matter much at all. There's legitimate hope that the Green Bay Packers - a franchise that resides in a city of 100,000 people - could win a Super Bowl within the next few years. The NFL's current dynasty is the Kansas City Chiefs... a franchise that resides in the same city as the Kansas City Royals - a good example of a small market club that manages to go on short spurts of success and long droughts of operating at little more than a farm system for large market clubs.

I don't have magic answers for how to close that competitive gap in MLB, but I will continue to pull for small market teams as long as that gap exists.
 
RP-29 said:
Your perspective is valid and it's no surprise you take that stance as a Dodgers fan. Yes, "putting the absolute best product you can on the field" is the goal for every franchise (except the A's, Marlins and Pirates). My issue is it's not a level playing field; large market clubs have significant advantage over small market clubs in MLB.
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For better or worse, it's that way across all sports and there are challenges regardless of market. The challenges are just different.

There's a lot more pressure to win in the bigger markets. Looking at the Dodgers for example...even with all of the division titles, always being around 100 wins and 3 World Series appearances...there are folks calling for Dave Roberts head every season.

Small market teams have to try to build from within or they can do like the Marlins awhile back and spend big money to get a title or 2, then have a fire sale to get rid of the big contracts.
 
trojanfan12 said:
There's a lot more pressure to win in the bigger markets. Looking at the Dodgers for example...even with all of the division titles, always being around 100 wins and 3 World Series appearances...there are folks calling for Dave Roberts head every season.
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In the same breath, the pressure to win is greater largely because the Dodgers spent so much friggin money on free agents and need championships to justify signing all those players to enormous contracts. When they don't get them, the manager is the "fall guy".

And frankly, the recent rule changes in MLB over the last several years has negated a healthy chunk of in-game strategy a manager must face - essentially depreciating a manager's impact on the game. Dave Roberts could be axed next week and the Dodgers will still be playing October baseball again next year because they bought the best players.
 
RP-29 said:
You realize you're speaking to a Packers fan who just watched one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game continuously come up short in the playoffs largely because defense and special teams could never get their crap together, right? That said, there is strong competitive balance in the NFL and the size of the market doesn't matter much at all. There's legitimate hope that the Green Bay Packers - a franchise that resides in a city of 100,000 people - could win a Super Bowl within the next few years. The NFL's current dynasty is the Kansas City Chiefs... a franchise that resides in the same city as the Kansas City Royals - a good example of a small market club that manages to go on short spurts of success and long droughts of operating at little more than a farm system for large market clubs.
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The NFL is as close to true parity as you'll see in pro sports because they have as close to a hard cap as there is. They have the strictest salary cap. where the NBA and MLB have ways to "work around" the salary cap or in the case of MLB, it seems they barely have a cap at all.
 
RP-29 said:
In the same breath, the pressure to win is greater largely because the Dodgers spent so much friggin money on free agents and need championships to justify signing all those players to enormous contracts. When they don't get them, the manager is the "fall guy".
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And much of that pressure is the pressure to spend whatever it takes to get those players.

RP-29 said:
And frankly, the recent rule changes in MLB over the last several years has negated a healthy chunk of in-game strategy a manager must face - essentially depreciating a manager's impact on the game. Dave Roberts could be axed next week and the Dodgers will still be playing October baseball again next year because they bought the best players.
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Not a fan of many of those changes as I agree, it takes a lot of strategy out of the game.
 
trojanfan12 said:
The NFL is as close to true parity as you'll see in pro sports because they have as close to a hard cap as there is. They have the strictest salary cap. where the NBA and MLB have ways to "work around" the salary cap or in the case of MLB, it seems they barely have a cap at all.
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Actually, the NHL has a harder cap than the NFL. The NFL has workarounds of contract restructures and cuts to manipulate the cap that don't exist in the NHL. Both the NFL and NHL have very strong competitive balance - and not-so-coincidentally, those are my two favorite pro sports leagues.
 
Time for talk is over, game 2 now
 
Much better start than game one
 
Bad call on 2-1
 
Hu War Yu said:
I was about to call both of you feygolas
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Manaea on faea
 
Marte joins the parté
 
Winker...uh ..good for him
 
Woo
 
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