Lincoln Riley is a dumbass

Kburjr said:
I wonder if I can buy an O.J. Simpson USC jersey?
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Interesting question because if the number isn't retired (which I have no idea if it is) then would the current number 32 get a cut? I don't see OJ getting it.
 
Volbound1700 said:
No... I agree with everything in this POST. The disagreement that I have is whether Riley has an advantages at USC over Oklahoma right now because I think you could get all of the similar marketing at Oklahoma with a Heisman QB as well.
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The second-tier guys at OU aren't getting on music videos.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
On one hand I agree. But CFB just isn't a big deal in Cali. In LA you are competing against all sorts of pro sports and all the other outdoor activities. USC has shown it can support their team when Carrol was there, but Riley as dynamic as Carrol? There are now rules against actors and such coming onto the field, etc.
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This is a bit of a misunderstanding on your part, imo.

There are 3 major brands in LA...Dodgers, Lakers and USC football. California fans, because there are so many other options, won't pay to watch a team lose. That's how we let teams know we aren't happy with the product.

Other fans, in other places, with fewer options will buy there tickets, buy concessions, buy souvenirs, pay for parking, etc. and then sit in the stadium and boo. That's great if your team responds...many teams don't. They just keep taking in the money.

In California, we won't even spend the money to show up and boo you. You get crickets instead.
 
Volbound1700 said:
No... I agree with everything in this POST. The disagreement that I have is whether Riley has an advantages at USC over Oklahoma right now because I think you could get all of the similar marketing at Oklahoma with a Heisman QB as well.
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Holy shit progress!

Now take high profile players out of the mix and think about trench players and special teams players that you need to be successful. Are you going to have more opportunities for these guys to do signings at the mall, local appearances and such in LA or Norman?

Stay with me because you are soooooo close.
 
trojanfan12 said:
It's not that you're making things up, it's that you can't seem to grasp that things will change in a big way. The major networks are already saying that this is huge news and will have a big impact.
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Honestly, I have liked your posts in this thread and appreciate your feedback because I actually think you read my posts to make meaningful responses instead of reading my posts to try to counterargue them.

I get it but my point is that Oklahoma had the same potential as USC. Brands are not regional anymore, they are national.

The big issue with USC could be exposure. They won't have the Alabama's, LSU's, Texas', etc. I know Texas sucks but the RRSO brings eyeballs.

USC does have Oregon so that is one plus (although they don't play Oregon every year). USC also has Notre Dame. However, no one is going to tune in for most of the other games. You might have some eyeballs for UCLA, Arizona State, and Utah if those programs are up.

USC had to travel, even with Pete Carroll, to get attention. The reason Pete Carroll was so successful is because he traveled to Auburn and destroyed them, traveled to Notre Dame and destroyed them, traveled to Nebraska and destroyed them, etc.

He also had some very good athletes in his early era including Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart, and Reggie Bush. These guys were not just talented on the field but also had a persona off the field (kind of like Peyton Manning for Tennessee). Heck, Reggie Bush is still appearing in Wendy Commercials and he hasn't been relevant on the football field in decades.
 
Volbound1700 said:
Again, this is another fallacy that was addressed very early in this thread. You are assuming that all 19 million or even a large portion of them will all of a sudden get into CFB.

One of my very first posts pointed out that the Pac12 region has a lot of people and could easily be a force in the tv deal, etc. IF and this is the kicker, IF the people on the West Coast cared about College Football.
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You have to be 12 years old. No way you could be this naive.
 
Wild Turkey said:
Holy shit progress!

Now take high profile players out of the mix and think about trench players and special teams players that you need to be successful. Are you going to have more opportunities for these guys to do signings at the mall, local appearances and such in LA or Norman?

Stay with me because you are soooooo close.
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I think you highly understand Oklahoma as a brand because they are in the town of Norman.

Heck, the most iconic brand in all of College Football is Notre Dame and they are no where near a major city. Sure, Notre Dame, isn't what it once was but for decades, it was the center of college football from a media stand point.
 
Volbound1700 said:
Why come into this thread in the first place? It was a great thread until you and @Wild Turkey came in here. I don't come in your threads starting shit loser.

Go defend Biden in the Politics thread.
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You dont own threads asshole. There are no safe spaces here. Deal with the shit you heap on your own head.

You say dumb shit, or have dumb opinions, people are going to call you out. Go to facebook if you dont like it.
 
trojanfan12 said:
This is a bit of a misunderstanding on your part, imo.

There are 3 major brands in LA...Dodgers, Lakers and USC football. California fans, because there are so many other options, won't pay to watch a team lose. That's how we let teams know we aren't happy with the product.

Other fans, in other places, with fewer options will buy there tickets, buy concessions, buy souvenirs, pay for parking, etc. and then sit in the stadium and boo. That's great if your team responds...many teams don't. They just keep taking in the money.

In California, we won't even spend the money to show up and boo you. You get crickets instead.
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It depends greatly on winning and USC has to win or people in LA will find other avenues.

For example, the toughest sports ticket to get in Chicago 4 years ago was to Loyola basketball games right before they went to the final four and every pro team in the city Tweeted out congratulations. Before that run you could walk into a game for maybe a dollar and sit where you wanted.

If you are winning tickets will sell and people get excited. The difference for USC is they have 19 million they can tap for excitement. It's just a numbers game.
 
michaeljordan_fan said:
The second-tier guys at OU aren't getting on music videos.
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Using this logic, Vanderbilt should dominate the SEC because they are in Nashville which is one of the major recording capitols in the globe for music along with Atlanta and Los Angeles. Oh, Georgia Tech should be a power as well. Fans buy products and you need them to sale.

Do you know how many people go to Hollywood (or even Nashville) trying to hit the big time? You guys think that just because USC is next to Hollywood, all of these opportunities would just open up for them.

Sure it worked for Reggie Bush but he was Reggie Bush. Not everyone gets to that level.
 
Volbound1700 said:
I think you highly understand Oklahoma as a brand because they are in the town of Norman.

Heck, the most iconic brand in all of College Football is Notre Dame and they are no where near a major city. Sure, Notre Dame, isn't what it once was but for decades, it was the center of college football from a media stand point.
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Let's not go backwards.

I'm not dissing Oklahoma, I'm just pointing out the numbers advantage of LA so don't get distracted and kill our progress.
 
Illustrious Potentate said:
Way too many novels for one thread
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Would you like some gifs to sum it up for you?

grinch smile GIF
 
Volbound1700 said:
Using this logic, Vanderbilt should dominate the SEC because they are in Nashville which is one of the major recording capitols in the globe for music along with Atlanta and Los Angeles. Oh, Georgia Tech should be a power as well. Fans buy products and you need them to sale.

Do you know how many people go to Hollywood (or even Nashville) trying to hit the big time? You guys think that just because USC is next to Hollywood, all of these opportunities would just open up for them.

Sure it worked for Reggie Bush but he was Reggie Bush. Not everyone gets to that level.
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Less country music videos are filmed in Nashville than you think.
 
Wild Turkey said:
Let's not go backwards.

I'm not dissing Oklahoma, I'm just pointing out the numbers advantage of LA so don't get distracted and kill our progress.
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The whole debate here is which program has the best chance right now for NIL, Oklahoma or USC (I could also add in LSU since it was an option but let's just stay with these two to keep it simple).

Oklahoma is a consistent 10 win team that is about to join the SEC. Sure it is harder to win in the SEC (how much harder is debatable) but you get more primetime matchups on television and exposure in the SEC. That isn't debatable.

You would get exposure at USC, I am not denying that at all. However is it that much better than Oklahoma? I don't think so. Even with the so-called opportunity. If USC was 10-2 and ranked in top 10 and Oklahoma was struggling at 7-5 or 8-4 right now, I would be singing a totally different tune.

Also, you still haven't acknowledge my main point which is the main topic, the fanbase. Oklahoma just has a larger fanbase. The CFB fanbase is the customer base. You license to them, you make products for them. This is why ESPN now slobbers all over the SEC because they know the $$$ is there.
 
trojanfan12 said:
This is a bit of a misunderstanding on your part, imo.

There are 3 major brands in LA...Dodgers, Lakers and USC football. California fans, because there are so many other options, won't pay to watch a team lose. That's how we let teams know we aren't happy with the product.

Other fans, in other places, with fewer options will buy there tickets, buy concessions, buy souvenirs, pay for parking, etc. and then sit in the stadium and boo. That's great if your team responds...many teams don't. They just keep taking in the money.

In California, we won't even spend the money to show up and boo you. You get crickets instead.
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I think that has somewhat changed with the Rams coming back. They gobbled up a lot of the football interest that USC got, particularly since they’ve been pretty good for the last few years (other than when they play the 49ers). The Chargers didn’t move the needle.
 
Volbound1700 said:
No you are not smart enough to understand my point. As stated, I don't see how USC has better NIL opportunities then Oklahoma right now. Is there some opportunities, MAYBE. However, you need a customer base. The customer base is where College Football fans are at the moment which is primarily the Southeast and B1G country. This is why those leagues have the best TV deals, $$$, etc.

You are totally missing the point. Your entire argument is that USC is a better NIL opportunity than Oklahoma because it is in LA. The fallacies in your argument are the following:

1. Social Media and advertising is not just limited to a single state or city
2. Just because you are in a large metropolitan area, doesn't mean the people in that area are or will be interested in College Football and become consumers of your product
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Holy shit you are dumb as fuck. You think there is same money in Oklahoma, as there is California? You think its only nation wide "sponsors" offering money to kids, and the same ones in Oklahoma, as in LA, or NY, or Miami, or Dallas, or name 15 more cities with obvious more money to throw around at kids to promote businesses locally?

You dont think there is a difference, or you just HATE California so much, that you will create straw man after straw man, to make yourself believe its the same everywhere?

Nevermind, dont answer that.
 
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