Lincoln Riley to USC

[Goldbug]

I liked this part from the article.

" I’m not even certain that every corner of Oklahoma’s unhinged fan base is disappointed about any of this."

Oh yeah, that. Well, John Canzano is a catty little faggot whose voice sounds like a woman. He's got a talk show that's just rife with stupid shit. He hated the idea of the Big XII teams polluting his precious Pac 12 and don't even get him started on how the SEC only wins NC's because the refs, NCAA, Pakistani terrorists, Klingons, Whoever are involved with those swampbillies in some great conspiracy to keep the playing field uneven. But there are a lot of people on the West Coast like that. His point is nobody is scared. Apparently USC is pretty messed up, in several schools' opinion, and that's not going away easily. I'm not sure I buy that.

 

[7samurai13]

So, uh.... fuck any good pieces of shit lately?

Give the guy a break. He just learned that Oklahoma is a stepping stone program.

 

[CorpRebel]

So, uh.... fuck any good pieces of shit lately?

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

Exactly. Ducks fans just saw their teams life flash before their eyes, so they're a little shook right now.

As I've been saying, lack of talent has not been and never is the issue at USC. Lack of coaching is and has been the issue.

Lincoln Riley should correct that.

And as you point out, there are California kids that committed to Riley at OU that have de-committed and from what has been said, most, if not all, are now projected to USC. In fact, it was reported yesterday that 5* QB Malachi Nelson has already contacted Riley about USC. The kid played his high school ball 30 miles from campus.

The smart Duck fans know this is a great hire and that USC has the talent to win 10 games next year.

 

[Proud_Okie]

So, uh.... fuck any good pieces of shit lately?

Nope, but sure got fucked by one. Proper fucked.

 

[trojanfan12]

The smart Duck fans know this is a great hire and that USC has the talent to win 10 games next year.

Yeah, the talent is there to contend for at least the PAC title next year. They started the year in the top 15 and that was with Helton as coach. I don't see them necessarily being in the playoff hunt next year except maybe on the fringe because even though it's similar systems...the players and coaches will need time to learn each other and he needs to get his culture started.

But after next year, he should be able to have USC in the cfp hunt most years. I'm expecting some good USC/Oregon CCG's and when the cfp expands, there may be years where both are in the cfp.

 

[OlyDuck]

lol

Tell me that you know nothing about USC, without telling me you know nothing about USC.

i know they havent had the same success in recruiting every year. i know they will be a sub .500 team this year. I know lots of teams over the years have hired new flashy coaches and told everyone they were back when they were in fact not back.
im not saying it is a bad hire.
im not saying that USC wont be back.
but everything i have seen is calling for a playoff run next year and the year after that and the year after that.
I'm not buying it
2024 at the earliest.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

Yeah, the talent is there to contend for at least the PAC title next year. They started the year in the top 15 and that was with Helton as coach. I don't see them necessarily being in the playoff hunt next year except maybe on the fringe because even though it's similar systems...the players and coaches will need time to learn each other and he needs to get his culture started.

But after next year, he should be able to have USC in the cfp hunt most years. I'm expecting some good USC/Oregon CCG's and when the cfp expands, there may be years where both are in the cfp.

So long as Cristobal sticks around, I agree. A bit worried that he may leave the program to head closer to home.

 

[OlyDuck]

Yep, everyone but you is wrong. lol

and we have seen in the past coaches who were good at 1 place not match the success at the next.
alot of times its because of the circumstances at the time of the hire. and USC now is not in the same place as Oklahoma was then, or now.

 

[Goldbug]

The smart Duck fans know this is a great hire and that USC has the talent to win 10 games next year.

If Riley can get USC back up to the level OU has been lately he'll still have the annual WTF loss and struggle when his overrated wingman Alex Grinch forgets how to make adjustments in the second half. Those two hate smash mouth games and that's the way some of the Pac 12 teams will need to play the Trojans. USC will clean up on the recruiting trail this year but can anyone tell me the last time Riley developed his own consistent, top-tier QB? Oregon, UCLA and Utah have a chance to keep good things from happening too quickly. It's going to be interesting.

 

[OlyDuck]

If Riley can get USC back up to the level OU has been lately he'll still have the annual WTF loss and struggle when his overrated wingman Alex Grinch forgets how to make adjustments in the second half. Those two hate smash mouth games and that's the way some of the Pac 12 teams will need to play the Trojans. USC will clean up on the recruiting trail this year but can anyone tell me the last time Riley developed his own consistent, top-tier QB? Oregon, UCLA and Utah have a chance to keep good things from happening too quickly. It's going to be interesting.

USC has WTF losses under every coach including Pete

 

[trojanfan12]

i know they havent had the same success in recruiting every year.

No you don't. They've had one truly down year. One.

i know they will be a sub .500 team this year.

Gee, I wonder if there has been anything that happened (maybe after the second game of the season) that caused a lot of upheaval in the program?

I know lots of teams over the years have hired new flashy coaches and told everyone they were back when they were in fact not back.

Yeah, who was that?

im not saying it is a bad hire.
im not saying that USC wont be back.

You're trying like hell to say exactly that.

but everything i have seen is calling for a playoff run next year and the year after that and the year after that.

I don't think anyone is saying cfp next year. But after that? Who is stopping them? Who has "filled the void" that was left between Pete Carroll leaving and the sanctions?

Oregon has done the best job of trying to fill the void, but they have fallen short of what USC accomplished under Carroll.

Basically, you have the same take as OD...Congrats. mb:

 

[7samurai13]

No you don't. They've had one truly down year. One.



Gee, I wonder if there has been anything that happened (maybe after the second game of the season) that caused a lot of upheaval in the program?



Yeah, who was that?



You're trying like hell to say exactly that.



I don't think anyone is saying cfp next year. But after that? Who is stopping them? Who has "filled the void" that was left between Pete Carroll leaving and the sanctions?

Oregon has done the best job of trying to fill the void, but they have fallen short of what USC accomplished under Carroll.

Basically, you have the same take as OD...Congrats. mb:

Here are the last 5 USC recruiting classes ranked nationally.
2017 - 4th
2018 - 4
2019 - 20
2020 - 64 (only 12 enrollees)
2021 - 7

To compare with Oregon
2017 -19
2018 - 13
2019 - 7
2020 - 11
2021 - 6

 

[trojanfan12]

So long as Cristobal sticks around, I agree. A bit worried that he may leave the program to head closer to home.

If he does, I don't see the Ducks having too much trouble replacing him. Nike gives them the money to not have to worry too much about being outbid for any coach they want.

Oregon is a bit of a "loud" program, which may turn some coaches off. But overall, as far as facilities and ability to pay a coach and compete for conference championships and the cfp, they're right there with anyone in the country.

Basically, they shouldn't have to "settle" for a coach they only had mild interest in, so they should be able to get their first or second choice. They just have to make sure their first or second choice is the right guy.

USC will likely cut into some of the Ducks recruiting, especially in California, but I think most of the top California recruits who can't or don't pick USC, will pick Oregon. A few will pick UCLA, ASU and maybe Washington...but I would expect most top California recruits to end up at USC or Oregon.

 

[trojanfan12]

Here are the last 5 USC recruiting classes ranked nationally.
2017 - 4th
2018 - 4
2019 - 20
2020 - 64 (only 12 enrollees)
2021 - 7

To compare with Oregon
2017 -19
2018 - 13
2019 - 7
2020 - 11
2021 - 6

Looks pretty even to me. Maybe even a slight edge to USC outside of 2020. USC with 3 top 10 classes and Oregon with 2. Highest ranked USC class (2 ranked #4) Oregon with a #6.

 

[trojanfan12]

USC has WTF losses under every coach including Pete

And almost every one of them was to a PAC opponent....bUt ThE PaC Is WeEeK. lol

 

[OlyDuck]

No you don't. They've had one truly down year. One.

sitting at 76 right now. and 64th in 20. thats 2 not 1.

Gee, I wonder if there has been anything that happened (maybe after the second game of the season) that caused a lot of upheaval in the program?

because other teams didnt lose coaches and go on to have winning seasons? maybe USC just softer. hurt their feelings more.

Yeah, who was that?

any program with past history of winning that has fallen below their expectations.

You're trying like hell to say exactly that.

im saying slow down the Pac isnt and never was a run through it conference. even Pete had shared titles and 1 game differentials.

I don't think anyone is saying cfp next year. But after that? Who is stopping them? Who has "filled the void" that was left between Pete Carroll leaving and the sanctions? Oregon has done the best job of trying to fill the void, but they have fallen short of what USC accomplished under Carroll.

a lot of people are saying exactly that. it isnt a matter of someONE filling the void. Oregon Stanford Washington Utah even a year here and there of USC. and it isnt about filling a void since Pete. its about the recent and the now. not 10 years.

Basically, you have the same take as OD...Congrats. mb:

i thought you said i was the only one

Canzano: USC made a big hire, but let’s pump the brakes on crowning the Trojans Pac-12 champs

 

[OlyDuck]

And almost every one of them was to a PAC opponent....bUt ThE PaC Is WeEeK. lol

no one said other wise. that was my argument from the jump. everyone saying Riley was going to the Pac because its easier to win. i was arguing that its harder in some ways.

 

[OlyDuck]

Looks pretty even to me. Maybe even a slight edge to USC outside of 2020. USC with 3 top 10 classes and Oregon with 2. Highest ranked USC class (2 ranked #4) Oregon with a #6.

might look even but
56-24 and 31-24 in that same timeframe says no

 

[OlyDuck]

I dont know why you are so upset about this @trojanfan12. I dont see whats wrong with the wait and see approach.
people laughed at Mario because of his 27-47 record from his FIU days. 4 years later going for a 3pete on conference championships 35-12 at current school. now 62-59 overall.
but this could have gone the other way just as easy. like a Willie taggart wins everywhere he was until he got to FSU and they loved the hire. til they didnt.