Meanwhile at Oklahoma...

Deep Creek said:
Yeah, I'm not opposed to kids leaving after the season is over...unless there are some weird shit going on and I doubt that is the case at all. Hell, OU has benefitted greatly from three QBs that didn't start there. Mayfield and Murray had "issues" at their first places. Hurst stuck it out at Bama and developed.

Rattler isn't getting wise counsel if he leaves. He needs to be a good teammate, work his ass off, and be ready. More than likely, Caleb is going to struggle and/or get dingged up somewhere along the rest of the season and he'll play.
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Mayfield's "issue" at his first place
was a young man
by the name of Patrick Mahomes -

this circumstance looks similar -
 
TigerBait1971 said:
All I know is that Rattler looked like a little bitch on QB1 and this whole deal makes me smile.

:happy:
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I think in the douche department Martel stole the show.

They haven't had another one of those and I was hoping they would. I love QB1 and Last Chance U.
 
Goldbug said:
I'm doubtful (wishful thinking?) he is stupid enough to jump ship and he will choose to stay through the rest of the season. His Dad has always seemed pretty level headed so hopefully there is some good advice being put into Rattler's mind. Here's a post I made in another thread a few days ago and people jumped all over me for it. I still feel the same way as I did when I originally said:

If he transfers he's a quitter. Pure and simple. I've always wished transfers the best of luck but not this guy if he cuts and runs now. He could really leave OU in a bind if he does it. Even if we never missed him it wouldn't put to rest how he pussed out after failing. Better to stay, man up and do what he can to help the TEAM. You really think the pro's wouldn't see his leaving OU now as a huge red flag? They'd laugh the guy out of the room if he goes that route.
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It is CFB today. With the transfer portal -- there is no reason to stay and work for your opportunity anymore. He can transfer now, get a head start learning a new playbook and have a starting job next year to prove his worth. What will staying at OU do for him? The staff made their choice and the kid is a freshman, so he isn't going anywhere. If the freshman QB fails, that's on the coaching staff, not Rattler. If he gets injured, it will be next man up. You can't expect a guy with NFL aspirations to accept a demotion and stay to appease fans, when the NCAA gives athletes a free pass to transfer anywhere they'd like now.

Does it suck for OU if something happens to the new starter? Absolutely. But CFB is nothing more than a job interview for the NFL for many of these kids and if you don't have the chance to showcase your skills, you find a place you can. PSU just dealt with this when Clifford went down. Their backup and 3rd string QB's transferred. Levis is starting for Kentucky, the other is at OU. That left them with Roberson who was atrocious and it cost them a game this year already when Clifford went down.

The only people who will look bad on Rattler being selfish are OU fans. NFL teams understand that college is where these players are trying to showcase their worth and if it means transferring -- then that's what you do. He could play the year out, but all that will do is put him way behind in learning a brand new playbook with his new team and he only has like a year to show his worth to the NFL. I don't blame him for leaving if it is true, as the school use these kids as cash cows, so being selfish so they can show their worth to the NFL isn't a bad thing
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
It is CFB today. With the transfer portal -- there is no reason to stay and work for your opportunity anymore. He can transfer now, get a head start learning a new playbook and have a starting job next year to prove his worth. What will staying at OU do for him? The staff made their choice and the kid is a freshman, so he isn't going anywhere. If the freshman QB fails, that's on the coaching staff, not Rattler. If he gets injured, it will be next man up. You can't expect a guy with NFL aspirations to accept a demotion and stay to appease fans, when the NCAA gives athletes a free pass to transfer anywhere they'd like now.

Does it suck for OU if something happens to the new starter? Absolutely. But CFB is nothing more than a job interview for the NFL for many of these kids and if you don't have the chance to showcase your skills, you find a place you can. PSU just dealt with this when Clifford went down. Their backup and 3rd string QB's transferred. Levis is starting for Kentucky, the other is at OU. That left them with Roberson who was atrocious and it cost them a game this year already when Clifford went down.

The only people who will look bad on Rattler being selfish are OU fans. NFL teams understand that college is where these players are trying to showcase their worth and if it means transferring -- then that's what you do. He could play the year out, but all that will do is put him way behind in learning a brand new playbook with his new team and he only has like a year to show his worth to the NFL. I don't blame him for leaving if it is true, as the school use these kids as cash cows, so being selfish so they can show their worth to the NFL isn't a bad thing
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If he quits in the middle of this season it's a dick move. Pure and simple. He's a quitter. If he transfers after the season is finished, that's a different story and c'est la vie. I hate a quitter. My Old Man, the USMC and Life have taught me once a quitter, always a quitter. Don't kid yourself; the pro's see that kind of stuff in the same light as abusing women and drug usage. It's a black mark.
 
TechRaiderRider said:
Mayfield's "issue" at his first place
was a young man
by the name of Patrick Mahomes -

this circumstance looks similar -
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That is exactly what it was. Once Tech signed Mahomes and everyone saw what he could do, game over. Mayfield was ready to hit the road.
 
Deep Creek said:
That is exactly what it was. Once Tech signed Mahomes and everyone saw what he could do, game over. Mayfield was ready to hit the road.
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Well.... IF Rattler is gonna do the "Mayfield" thing, then he's gonna need to practice up on trying to outrun the COPS!!! :dhd:
 
Goldbug said:
If he quits in the middle of this season it's a dick move. Pure and simple. He's a quitter. If he transfers after the season is finished, that's a different story and c'est la vie. I hate a quitter. My Old Man, the USMC and Life have taught me once a quitter, always a quitter. Don't kid yourself; the pro's see that kind of stuff in the same light as abusing women and drug usage. It's a black mark.
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You can feel that way and I'm sure every single Oklahoma fan selfishly wants him to stay for the rest of the year too, not because transferring would be a "dick move" or that he is "a quitter", but because it gives OU an enormous safety to fall back on if he did stay to the end of the year.

If his future is not with OU, why in the world would he stay, if his end goal is to get to the NFL? OU didn't show him any loyalty by replacing him, nor did the fans who chanted "we want Caleb", but you want him to be loyal? Think about how ridiculous that is. This isn't the NFL where they have to pay you millions to be a backup. If the end goal is to get to the NFL, then transferring immediately to a program he will take over as the starter next year is the best move for him. It will give him 6+ months of extra time to learn a play book, offense and get acclimated with his new teammates.

And the NFL couldn't care less -- they don't have that option in the NFL to decide to just leave. Also, he didn't quit on anyone, he was replaced. The fact you try to compare losing a starting job and transferring to abusing women and drug use is LAUGHABLE and couldn't be further from the truth.

Simply put, you want him to stay because it benefits you and the team you root for and you couldn't care less if it hurts Rattler's future to stay the rest of the year.

FYI -- I cannot stand Rattler and think he is an arrogant prick. I laughed in the game thread when i was told he was benched. My personal opinion of Rattler doesn't change my thoughts though. He should do what is best for him, as the program is going to do what is best for themself every time. And transferring if he did indeed lose his starting job is definitely the right move for his future.
 
Deep Creek said:
That is exactly what it was. Once Tech signed Mahomes and everyone saw what he could do, game over. Mayfield was ready to hit the road.
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Lol Mayfield never lost to Mahomes in college.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
You can feel that way and I'm sure every single Oklahoma fan selfishly wants him to stay for the rest of the year too, not because transferring would be a "dick move" or that he is "a quitter", but because it gives OU an enormous safety to fall back on if he did stay to the end of the year.

If his future is not with OU, why in the world would he stay, if his end goal is to get to the NFL? OU didn't show him any loyalty by replacing him, nor did the fans who chanted "we want Caleb", but you want him to be loyal? Think about how ridiculous that is. This isn't the NFL where they have to pay you millions to be a backup. If the end goal is to get to the NFL, then transferring immediately to a program he will take over as the starter next year is the best move for him. It will give him 6+ months of extra time to learn a play book, offense and get acclimated with his new teammates.

And the NFL couldn't care less -- they don't have that option in the NFL to decide to just leave. Also, he didn't quit on anyone, he was replaced. The fact you try to compare losing a starting job and transferring to abusing women and drug use is LAUGHABLE and couldn't be further from the truth.

Simply put, you want him to stay because it benefits you and the team you root for and you couldn't care less if it hurts Rattler's future to stay the rest of the year.

FYI -- I cannot stand Rattler and think he is an arrogant prick. I laughed in the game thread when i was told he was benched. My personal opinion of Rattler doesn't change my thoughts though. He should do what is best for him, as the program is going to do what is best for themself every time. And transferring if he did indeed lose his starting job is definitely the right move for his future.
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You should be that guy's publicist. If he quits, he's a quitter. If he sticks it out until January, he's doing the TEAM right. You just never know when or if a particular player is going to be needed. So, his bailing out now would be a dick move. No organization, be it the military or corporate or any other structure, respects a quitter. The pro's DO care about quitters. Those kinds of guys get cut all the time or drafted lower. I still don't think he's stupid enough to quit a team in the middle of the season. He'll have to be a helluva lot dumber than I think he is if he does break weak and limp off into the future with that kind of BS hanging around his neck.
 
broncosmitty said:
I remember when Brady didn’t start the second half against MSU his senior year.

And then beat ass the rest of the year.

But you’re right, most college kids would crumbled, not grow. Good time to find out which one Rattler is.
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Saw them play once that year, he was ok but he had an ass load of talent (especially at receiver) around him.
 
Goldbug said:
You should be that guy's publicist. If he quits, he's a quitter. If he sticks it out until January, he's doing the TEAM right. You just never know when or if a particular player is going to be needed. So, his bailing out now would be a dick move. No organization, be it the military or corporate or any other structure, respects a quitter. The pro's DO care about quitters. Those kinds of guys get cut all the time or drafted lower. I still don't think he's stupid enough to quit a team in the middle of the season. He'll have to be a helluva lot dumber than I think he is if he does break weak and limp off into the future with that kind of BS hanging around his neck.
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I can't stand the guy. But if his end goal is to get to the NFL, what exactly does riding the bench the rest of the year do for Rattler? The coaching staff obviously doesn't believe in him if they are replacing him as QB, so why would he put himself at a huge disadvantage if he doesn't plan to stay at OU? Makes no sense. It isn't as if transferring to a new school happens overnight. He is going to have to move his entire life to another state, have an entirely new team, a new coach staff, a new offense, a new place to live, etc.

And tell me one player who transferred and NFL teams deemed him a quitter and "cut him or drafted him lower"? Was Jalen Hurts a quitter when he lost his job to Tua? Was Joe Burrow a quitter when he didn't win the starting job at OSU and transferred to LSU? Was Baker Mayfield a quitter when he left Tech after they signed Mahomes to transfer to OU?

As I said -- the ONLY people who are going to care if Rattler transfers out are OU fans and they ONLY care because Caleb Williams is an unknown entity -- he could flop once teams have film on how to defend him and OU fans want the safety net of an all-Big 12 QB as a backup. Period.
 
TigerBait1971 said:
All I know is that Rattler looked like a little bitch on QB1 and this whole deal makes me smile.

:happy:
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Yep -- that's why i always hated the guy. He just seemed like a cocky prick. That being said -- even though i can't stand the guy -- i wouldn't blame him if he entered the transfer portal if they make the switch at QB
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
I can't stand the guy. But if his end goal is to get to the NFL, what exactly does riding the bench the rest of the year do for Rattler? The coaching staff obviously doesn't believe in him if they are replacing him as QB, so why would he put himself at a huge disadvantage if he doesn't plan to stay at OU? Makes no sense. It isn't as if transferring to a new school happens overnight. He is going to have to move his entire life to another state, have an entirely new team, a new coach staff, a new offense, a new place to live, etc.

And tell me one player who transferred and NFL teams deemed him a quitter and "cut him or drafted him lower"? Was Jalen Hurts a quitter when he lost his job to Tua? Was Joe Burrow a quitter when he didn't win the starting job at OSU and transferred to LSU? Was Baker Mayfield a quitter when he left Tech after they signed Mahomes to transfer to OU?

As I said -- the ONLY people who are going to care if Rattler transfers out are OU fans and they ONLY care because Caleb Williams is an unknown entity -- he could flop once teams have film on how to defend him and OU fans want the safety net of an all-Big 12 QB as a backup. Period.
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Come on, man. I never said he should not be free to transfer and try his hand someplace else. But there is a helluva difference between leaving mid-season and post season. Rattler could still play a substantial amount of time this season if (a) Williams goes down, (b) Williams plays poorly or (c) if Riley wanted to throw someone a curve by playing him when the other team had expected Williams to be OU's QB. And don't forget, it's still within the realm of possibility that Rattler could play in the CFP. If Rattler loses his starting job, the dude would be a moron and a dick to bail before January. Case closed.
 
Deep Creek said:
That is exactly what it was. Once Tech signed Mahomes and everyone saw what he could do, game over. Mayfield was ready to hit the road.
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I think this is revisionist. Mayfield and Davis Webb spent time as starters when they were true freshman. Mayfield wanted to be guaranteed a starting spot and Coach Bro said no so he walked. In hindsight that was a mistake but Mahomes had nothing to do with it.

The following season Webb got hurt against Oklahoma State and Mahomes came in and he sucked. It was a fairly close game (we lost our starter earlier in the season and the backup wasn't great) but once Mahomes came in the game was over. He was lost. He caught his groove later in the season and hasn't looked back but coming out of HS he was a 3* guy. Oklahoma State recruited him but he was a backup offer if we didn't get Kyle Allen or Mason Rudolph. Allen went to Aggie and Rudolph committed literally the next day. I loved Mason but in hindsight Mahomes to Washington, Hill, and Johnson would have been interesting.
 
Goldbug said:
Come on, man. I never said he should not be free to transfer and try his hand someplace else. But there is a helluva difference between leaving mid-season and post season. Rattler could still play a substantial amount of time this season if (a) Williams goes down, (b) Williams plays poorly or (c) if Riley wanted to throw someone a curve by playing him when the other team had expected Williams to be OU's QB. And don't forget, it's still within the realm of possibility that Rattler could play in the CFP. If Rattler loses his starting job, the dude would be a moron and a dick to bail before January. Case closed.
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Again -- every scenario you mentioned only benefits OU. So what happens if he stays, runs the scout team and only takes snaps in mop up duty the rest of the year? What does that do for his future? Essentially you are saying -- OU can give up on him and put their own self interest first, but Rattler shouldn't do the same for himself?
 
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