New York and College Football

A lot of good comments here. I cannot quote everyone but I do have some comments on some of the posts:

1. I doubt the Big School would be in NYC. It would be in upstate New York but would pull from that market. Similar to UT Austin, Michigan Ann Arbor, etc. Detroit is a feeder for Michigan for example. I know the LA area is an exception but I think that is because there isn't a lot of opportunity for cities outside of the LA area (especially when CFB really started in 1920s or so when irrigation wasn't as good. Sure you have Riverside, Silicon Valley, etc. today but those communities were likely very small back in the day).

This is what I am surprised about, that there isn't a major school in upstate New York with 60k students and a massive Football following similar to other states. Understand NYU being in NYC but it would have been hard to get the real estate (as someone pointed out) for major sports programs. Typically the Big Universities grow up in medium size cities or rural areas and not in downtowns.

Definitely see the Private School dominance in the Northeast. I think that is the primary factor a major program did not arise. Still, USC was a private school and grew into a major football power.
 
fordman84 said:
Can you imagine the cost of real estate in NYC to have the facilities it takes for a top program?
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This is the main reason. It's about space. NYC does not have room for football stadiums. Even the pro stadiums are in another state. The vast majority of the high schools do not have space for a football stadium, either, so young kids here do not get developed as footballers.
 
7samurai13 said:
The Big10 added Rutgers because it turned New York City/New Jersey television packages to in network and upped the payout for each of those packages from .35ish per household to over a dollar per contract. Roughly .70 increase for around 8million televisions nets an increase in TV income of $5.6 million per month or over $67 million per year. Roughly $4.5 million increase per team per year.

I don’t think any team out there would be able to bring in that kind of revenue that was actually gettable at that time.
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Correct. Rutgers has brought value to the Big Ten but it could be a much bigger payoff for the Big Ten if Rutgers can get on it's feet and compete.
 
jjc2009 said:
Also had to do with the fact it was the first time playing Miami in 20 years.
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Good point. I completely forgot about Catholics vs Convicts. But, I think it had more to do with Notre Dame being there. El Paso is a Notre Dame town...and a frickin' Dallas Cowboy town too.

El Paso tried to talk the Cowboys into playing an exihibtion game there for years. Never could get one. Jerry decided to throw EP a bone and had them play an intersquad scrimmage one year. They sold out the Sun Bowl for a frickin' intersquad scrimmage game that was really just a glorified practice!

I ain't a Cowboy fan at all. I used to get sick listening all those Cowboy nuts out there.
 
fordman84 said:
Texas State wasn't even the name until like 20 years ago. It was Southwest Texas State until then.
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Yep. My youngest daughter was there during the transition. They gave the students that started there when it was SWT the option of having a Southwest Texas State University or Texas State University diploma.

Here's a question no one has ever answered. Maybe you know. Why the hell was it ever called Southwest Texas State University when it wasn't even located in the Southwest part of the State?
 
Hu War Yu said:
This is the main reason. It's about space. NYC does not have room for football stadiums. Even the pro stadiums are in another state. The vast majority of the high schools do not have space for a football stadium, either, so young kids here do not get developed as footballers.
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Funny @fordman84 made the initial comment because Texas A&M fits this description well. Any New York program would NOT have been in NYC for a variety of reasons but on outskirts similar to how A&M is in College Station instead of Houston itself.
 
Volbound1700 said:
A lot of good comments here. I cannot quote everyone but I do have some comments on some of the posts:

1. I doubt the Big School would be in NYC. It would be in upstate New York but would pull from that market. Similar to UT Austin, Michigan Ann Arbor, etc. Detroit is a feeder for Michigan for example. I know the LA area is an exception but I think that is because there isn't a lot of opportunity for cities outside of the LA area (especially when CFB really started in 1920s or so when irrigation wasn't as good. Sure you have Riverside, Silicon Valley, etc. today but those communities were likely very small back in the day).

This is what I am surprised about, that there isn't a major school in upstate New York with 60k students and a massive Football following similar to other states. Understand NYU being in NYC but it would have been hard to get the real estate (as someone pointed out) for major sports programs. Typically the Big Universities grow up in medium size cities or rural areas and not in downtowns.

Definitely see the Private School dominance in the Northeast. I think that is the primary factor a major program did not arise. Still, USC was a private school and grew into a major football power.
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You also have to remember that outside of NYC, New York State is actually pretty rural. NYC population is about 8 million (city limits not metro). The next biggest place is Buffalo with about 275K.
 
Deep Creek said:
Yep. My youngest daughter was there during the transition. They gave the students that started there when it was SWT the option of having a Southwest Texas State University or Texas State University diploma.

Here's a question no one has ever answered. Maybe you know. Why the hell was it ever called Southwest Texas State University when it wasn't even located in the Southwest part of the State?
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South Florida is another example. Tampa is kind of South but isn't near as South as the name indicates. Western Kentucky is in Bowling Green which is more like the center of the state rather than Western part of the State.
 
Deep Creek said:
Good point. I completely forgot about Catholics vs Convicts. But, I think it had more to do with Notre Dame being there. El Paso is a Notre Dame town...and a frickin' Dallas Cowboy town too.

El Paso tried to talk the Cowboys into playing an exihibtion game there for years. Never could get one. Jerry decided to throw EP a bone and had them play an intersquad scrimmage one year. They sold out the Sun Bowl for a frickin' intersquad scrimmage game that was really just a glorified practice!

I ain't a Cowboy fan at all. I used to get sick listening all those Cowboy nuts out there.
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I still remember that game. It was cold and snowy and the Miami players clearly didn’t want to be there. They had just canned Randy Shannon snd they were layered in parkas like they were on an exhibition to the North Pole
 
Deep Creek said:
Yep. My youngest daughter was there during the transition. They gave the students that started there when it was SWT the option of having a Southwest Texas State University or Texas State University diploma.

Here's a question no one has ever answered. Maybe you know. Why the hell was it ever called Southwest Texas State University when it wasn't even located in the Southwest part of the State?
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For some reason San Marcos is considered the "gateway to the southwest" in Texas. I agree it isn't southwest, so can't honestly say. Maybe of the original members of that Texas State University program it was the most southwest?
 
fordman84 said:
For some reason San Marcos is considered the "gateway to the southwest" in Texas. I agree it isn't southwest, so can't honestly say. Maybe of the original members of that Texas State University program it was the most southwest?
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Check out Northwestern. They are NOT necessarily in the Northwest of the United States (although I think they were when the school was founded).

I original thought Northwestern was in Oregon or Washington when I first started watching college football :pound:
 
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