Oklahoma fans ... this won't work in the SEC

Deep Creek said:
So as long as talent is concentrated in only a few schools, there is little chance we’ll have a wider range of national champs, right? Wouldn’t a broader distribution of talent make the entire season more exciting? Will NIL payments help distribute talent more widely?
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Sure, I’ve posted that many times even if it’s against my best interests. The hope is that NIL, transfer portal, and expanded CFP might do that. But at the same time the conference money will slant heavily to the SEC and B1G which will drive inequality.
 
TaikoTiger said:
Correct, both ways can work. That's the point. You insist that Dabo is limiting his roster by the way he recruits but at same time his team is 4th overall in talent. Not sure how that couldn't work in the SEC
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He is limiting his roster. That cant be denied. It works because he plays against ACC teams. If he were in the SEC, like Venables will be, he would have to play against two of the teams with more talent, and then the 5, 6, 7, 8 and 11 teams. In the ACC he would, play 13, 18 and 20. See the difference and why I said Venables doing what Dabo has done, but in the SEC won’t work. There is a reason what Dabo does works for him. I question that it will work in the SEC.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
He is limiting his roster. That cant be denied. It works because he plays against ACC teams. If he were in the SEC, like Venables will be, he would have to play against two of the teams with more talent, and then the 5, 6, 7, 8 and 11 teams. In the ACC he would, play 13, 18 and 20. See the difference and why I said Venables doing what Dabo has done, but in the SEC won’t work. There is a reason what Dabo does works for him. I question that it will work in the SEC.
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No one knows if it will work but all I do know is when Riley took all his 5 stars to USC and OU fell to the high 30’s for 2023 and BV has brought it back to top 10 (maybe top 5) I’m not going to question his tactics and I don’t give a shit what conference they’re in or going to be in.
 
TaikoTiger said:
Correct, both ways can work. That's the point. You insist that Dabo is limiting his roster by the way he recruits but at same time his team is 4th overall in talent. Not sure how that couldn't work in the SEC
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It works because Clemson is the best team in a conference with no football ''blue bloods''. USC could do the same in the PAC because they are the only blue blood. There is a certain percentage of recruits who are always going to choose those schools, no matter what.

The SEC and the B1G have multiple blue bloods. Venables is basically giving teams like Alabama, Georgia, LSU and Texas a head start on a kid in the portal...and that's just the SEC. All teams can recruit from the portal. Which will make the line ahead of him even longer.
 
trojanfan12 said:
It works because Clemson is the best team in a conference with no football ''blue bloods''. USC could do the same in the PAC because they are the only blue blood. There is a certain percentage of recruits who are always going to choose those schools, no matter what.

The SEC and the B1G have multiple blue bloods. Venables is basically giving teams like Alabama, Georgia, LSU and Texas a head start on a kid in the portal...and that's just the SEC. All teams can recruit from the portal. Which will make the line ahead of him even longer.
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Not sure how "Venables is giving other teams a head start"
As of right now OU has the 6th class
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
He is limiting his roster. That cant be denied. It works because he plays against ACC teams. If he were in the SEC, like Venables will be, he would have to play against two of the teams with more talent, and then the 5, 6, 7, 8 and 11 teams. In the ACC he would, play 13, 18 and 20. See the difference and why I said Venables doing what Dabo has done, but in the SEC won’t work. There is a reason what Dabo does works for him. I question that it will work in the SEC.
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Limiting by what? As far as I know Clemson has 85 scholarship players on the roster just like everyone else :noidea:
 
TaikoTiger said:
Not sure how "Venables is giving other teams a head start"
As of right now OU has the 6th class
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Is Venables recruiting in the SEC yet? Last I checked, OU going to the SEC is still a couple of seasons away.

The premise of the discussion is that they won't be able to do this in the SEC. It's already agreed that they can get away with it in the Big 12.

No different with USC. If Riley wanted to do what Venables is doing, he could get away with it in the PAC-12...he'd be stupid to try to do it in the B1G.
 
TaikoTiger said:
Not sure how "Venables is giving other teams a head start"
As of right now OU has the 6th class
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My point exactly … they are 4th in the SEC, 6th by average. Let that sink in … Venables is doing great and he’s 6th in his conference. Congrats! Assuming they were in the SEC, of course.
 
“They won’t be able to do this in the SEC”

A good percentage of the players they are recruiting for are being recruited by the sec. Plus once they’re in the sec, they’re gonna get the sec boost.
 
RubinRock said:
“They won’t be able to do this in the SEC”

A good percentage of the players they are recruiting for are being recruited by the sec. Plus once they’re in the sec, they’re gonna get the sec boost.
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Now you are just being obtuse.
 
RubinRock said:
“They won’t be able to do this in the SEC”

A good percentage of the players they are recruiting for are being recruited by the sec. Plus once they’re in the sec, they’re gonna get the sec boost.
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You sound like some people on VolNation pointing out how with the ESPN rankings, when a player commits to Tennessee they go from 5-star to 4-star (Nico for example) and when they commit to Alabama they go from 4-star to 5-star :pound:. Granted, ESPN is by far the worse of the recruiting services and always has been.

Everyone is high on ON3 now since they grabbed a lot of people that use to work for Rivals and Scout.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
My point exactly … they are 4th in the SEC, 6th by average. Let that sink in … Venables is doing great and he’s 6th in his conference. Congrats! Assuming they were in the SEC, of course.
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I'm not trying to troll, this is a legit question. Should OU expect their recruiting to be better than 4th-6th in the SEC once they join?

They're recruiting at the level I would expect them to recruit at TBH
 
Many years you have 6-8 SEC teams in top 10 in recruiting. However, You don't have 6-8 National Title Contenders in the SEC. The key is to consistently be in that top 10 and to develop.

Another issue for recruiting rankings is that it doesn't cover team needs necessarily. You could have a top class recruiting 20 WRs and no other position for example. Some teams get top talent but are thin in certain positions and that leads to Ls.
 
Volbound1700 said:
Many years you have 6-8 SEC teams in top 10 in recruiting. However, You don't have 6-8 National Title Contenders in the SEC. The key is to consistently be in that top 10 and to develop.

Another issue for recruiting rankings is that it doesn't cover team needs necessarily. You could have a top class recruiting 20 WRs and no other position for example. Some teams get top talent but are thin in certain positions and that leads to Ls.
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I agree. It really wasn't intended to be a shot at Oklahoma. Finishing 4th-6th in the SEC should get you a top 10 class. If you can develop, coach them up and create a 1st class culture, you can have a ton of success in any conference.
 
Volbound1700 said:
You sound like some people on VolNation pointing out how with the ESPN rankings, when a player commits to Tennessee they go from 5-star to 4-star (Nico for example) and when they commit to Alabama they go from 4-star to 5-star :pound:. Granted, ESPN is by far the worse of the recruiting services and always has been.

Everyone is high on ON3 now since they grabbed a lot of people that use to work for Rivals and Scout.
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Thats not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying the "this won't work in the sec" is bs. A high percentage of the players they get now are already being recruited by sec schools and its clearly working now. Being 4th-6th in the sec (and thats assuming they don't see a bump in recruiting after transitioning) is a good place to be. They can still be contenders every year if they run the program right.

There's just a certain poster in here that keeps bringing up the same old argument time and time again, whether it be about Dabo or now Venables. And its a cop out because none of this will come to fruition or have a conclusion drawn for another 5+ years. Even tho the same stuff has been said for a decade now about Dabo and his recruiting.
 
duckboy33 said:
I'm not trying to troll, this is a legit question. Should OU expect their recruiting to be better than 4th-6th in the SEC once they join?

They're recruiting at the level I would expect them to recruit at TBH
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That's the point. You might have a top 10 recruiting class, but still only be 4th or worse in your conference.

If you have a top 10 class in the PAC or Big 12, at worst, you'll be 2nd in the conference.
 
RubinRock said:
Thats not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying the "this won't work in the sec" is bs. A high percentage of the players they get now are already being recruited by sec schools and its clearly working now. Being 4th-6th in the sec (and thats assuming they don't see a bump in recruiting after transitioning) is a good place to be. They can still be contenders every year if they run the program right.

There's just a certain poster in here that keeps bringing up the same old argument time and time again, whether it be about Dabo or now Venables. And its a cop out because none of this will come to fruition or have a conclusion drawn for another 5+ years. Even tho the same stuff has been said for a decade now about Dabo and his recruiting.
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I am definitely not saying that I disagree with you, I just wanted to point out irony of situation.

From my personal opinion, I am kind of in the middle. I think Whosyourdoggy is partially correct but is overexaggerating recruiting classes and is less focused on other factors such as development or who they are actually getting in that class. There is an assumption as well that all these recruiting services are 100% accurate. You have busts, heck even the NCAA Football games simulate this with 5 stars being busts sometimes and down around overall 71 and then having a 3-star that can be overall 80.

I do agree that recruiting is probably the most important factor and it isn't just about stars but also getting those players that will fit your system and follow your coaching philosophy.

I am also not sure if Venables philosophy is that tragic/limited for Oklahoma. It hurts a little but I don't think it will be to the point where Oklahoma can't recruit and compete. Biggest issue for Oklahoma right now is trying to rebuild and adjust to new system after the Lincoln Riley exit.
 
Volbound1700 said:
I am definitely not saying that I disagree with you, I just wanted to point out irony of situation.

From my personal opinion, I am kind of in the middle. I think Whosyourdoggy is partially correct but is overexaggerating recruiting classes and is less focused on other factors such as development or who they are actually getting in that class. There is an assumption as well that all these recruiting services are 100% accurate. You have busts, heck even the NCAA Football games simulate this with 5 stars being busts sometimes and down around overall 71 and then having a 3-star that can be overall 80.

I do agree that recruiting is probably the most important factor and it isn't just about stars but also getting those players that will fit your system and follow your coaching philosophy.

I am also not sure if Venables philosophy is that tragic/limited for Oklahoma. It hurts a little but I don't think it will be to the point where Oklahoma can't recruit and compete. Biggest issue for Oklahoma right now is trying to rebuild and adjust to new system after the Lincoln Riley exit.
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Maybe. But as I pointed out upthread, they aren't recruiting in the SEC yet. Their number 6 class looks great in the Big 12 because it puts them in the #1 or #2 spot in their conference.

It doesn't look as great when Alabama, Georgia and maybe LSU are all ranked higher...and that's not even counting what aTm has put together a couple of times or that Kiffin has recruited well at Ole Miss.

Heck, if your Vols get the right coach, they'll be in that mix too. And last I heard, none of those programs are looking to do what Venables said he's going to do.
 
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