PAC-12 is lost, and soft. The Kliavkoff letter thread

Sgt Brutus said:
I believe jet lag affects everybody

Add in the wear and tear of a season, let’s say a hip injury or something, that 4 hour flight just means you’re going to be stiff and in pain

But who knows, USC and UCLA will find out soon enough
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Maybe so, I just know that I have pretty much traveled all my life from the time I got out of college and it was easy and fun at first. It's horrible now. Also, jet lag, at least to me, is a going to Europe or Asia thing. Coast to coast USA, the only issue for me is that I get up earlier and easier on the west coast. No difference coming east. So I would say it affects everybody differently.

All that said, the more concerning issue for them is the academic issue. Extensive travel coast to coast will require them to try and get them to play multiple teams on one trip. That's going to eat into class time. UCLA athletes are truly student athletes ... some won't want to do that. I wonder if this will affect recruiting in a bad way.
 
Volbound1700 said:
UCLA is gone and Kliavkoff knows that. He is just trying to do everything he can so he can tell people he put the effort in to save the conference.

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Actually, i see it more as giving fodder for the rest of the teams remaining Arguments to help the sides looking not to leave.

I thought I had heard he was actually asked for this by UCLA regents or something. Want him going to them first. Not that it changes the pathetic points in it.
 
Thiefery said:
People are making too much about travel.. they are getting PAID. Enough for them to rent a storage facility for all the sports equipment and jerseys needed, somewhere in Indiana.

TBH all this posturing sounds like it's CAL crying about not being invited.. eerily mirrors Baylor throughout realignment with it's lawyers threatening to sue everyone
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Another item that I brought up in a thread was Pac12, in general, is a pretty geographically spread out league compared to the other historical conferences. UCLA is about as far from Oregon or Washington (which has 20% of the conference) as they are Kansas or Kansas State. Colorado is not close to anyone in Pac12 except maybe Utah. It is like the Pac12 has 3 major islands (Colorado and Utah; USC, UCLA, and the two Arizonas; Pac12 North). Pac12 North is kind of close geographically but the South is very broken up and the teams are already having to travel a lot as it is.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Maybe so, I just know that I have pretty much traveled all my life from the time I got out of college and it was easy and fun at first. It's horrible now. Also, jet lag, at least to me, is a going to Europe or Asia thing. Coast to coast USA, the only issue for me is that I get up earlier and easier on the west coast. No difference coming east. So I would say it affects everybody differently.

All that said, the more concerning issue for them is the academic issue. Extensive travel coast to coast will require them to try and get them to play multiple teams on one trip. That's going to eat into class time. UCLA athletes are truly student athletes ... some won't want to do that. I wonder if this will affect recruiting in a bad way.
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For basketball maybe (but they do that already, even in conference), not football.
 
CorpRebel said:
IF B1G want 2 teams they can probably find another one, easily. I could even see a new Oregon "scenario village" NOW rooting for UC Regents to somehow ban UCLA from moving to the B1G, thinking they would get that "invite". :heh:

Cali is one helluva soap opera these days...
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I'd love for the B1G to swap out UCLA for Oregon. UCLA seems like a lost cause in football right now, though I'd like to have them for basketball.

And i agree with you -- Cali is crazy. Some of the stories I read coming out of there makes you shake your head.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
I'd love for the B1G to swap out UCLA for Oregon. UCLA seems like a lost cause in football right now, though I'd like to have them for basketball.

And i agree with you -- Cali is crazy. Some of the stories I read coming out of there makes you shake your head.
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Oregon and UCLA\USC are about as far away as Rutgers is to Nebraska. Oregon isn't really a travel buddy for USC.
 
I've never understood how a 2.5 hour flight is more challenging on an athlete than a 3.5 hour drive.
 
Hitman Hart said:
Pac-12 are such dummies

They should have taken that OU/Texas/Okie State/TTU package when they had chance. instead they turned it down b/c "muh academics"

ACC will face a similar fate. ACC had a shot at Penn State in 1991, but declined to invite them b/c "it would ruin ACC hoops", lololol
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I'd heard it was because Texas insisted on Baylor as well, and the PAC is full of Godless commies so it didn't happen.
 
101stAB said:
I'd heard it was because Texas insisted on Baylor as well, and the PAC is full of Godless commies so it didn't happen.
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"Sorry, we already have a team that wears green"
 
rsw626 said:
For basketball maybe (but they do that already, even in conference), not football.
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I am referring to non-football sports. Not even basketball ... things like swimming, volleyball, etc.
 
Volbound1700 said:
To be fair, the OU/Texas to the SEC has kind of been a clusterfuck as well. You announce you are moving conferences and then stay in your existing conference at least 3 if not 4 years. That is not a smooth transition.
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To understand that. you've got to understand tejas. They're so used to dictating and everybody else falling in line. It's how they did things in the SWC and it's how they did things at the onset of the Big 12. Votes went 11-1 their way. Big 12 North teams consistently voted against their own interest because.... It would 'bring Nebraska down'.
tejas proposed limiting the amount of time coaches could be out of the office on the recruiting trail. Obviously having the least impact on tejas themselves. The Big 12 North schools cut their own throats in voting with the South 11-1 against Nebraska.

Of course tejas pissed that advantage rule down their leg.... Nobody underachieves like tejas. NOBODY!!

Tejas likely had the heaviest hand in the very GOR that's prevented their and OU's immediate flight to the SEC.
 
CorpRebel said:
DON'T underestimate the clusterfuck that is Cali nowadays... :nod:
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It's all about politics in California.

Gavin's got the ability to shit bad ideas like a wet bar of soap.
Nancy will live forever. Heaven won't have her and hell's afraid she'll take over.
And good old Kamala. I've never had problems speaking basic English like she does. But I've also never had a bird's eye view of Willie's ball sack.

The state's motto is Grab Some Kleenex And Watch This.

You're right.....don't underestimate those people.
 
101stAB said:
I'd heard it was because Texas insisted on Baylor as well, and the PAC is full of Godless commies so it didn't happen.
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lol no Baylor wanted to sue because after aggy fell out it was going to be UT/tech/ou/osu
 
Yeah this is desperate.

Gotta say as bad as zombie Big 12 sucked last year I now realize zombie Pac 12 is worse. Piss on Texas and ou for bolting but at least their fans give a shit. Seeing the UCLA crowd this weekend and knowing the Pac 12 commish was trying to keep that in the fold?

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Thiefery said:
lol no Baylor wanted to sue because after aggy fell out it was going to be UT/tech/ou/osu
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Yeah rape was fucked there. And that was pre briles doing whatever the fuck he wanted so they weren't that much of a draw.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
My only disagreement is that when I was young, those trips weren't a problem at all. 40 years later, I hate them. I don't think that 20 year old athletes in top physical condition, flying a charter, will have any problems with a 4+ hour flight other than missing class.

Hell, when I was 25 years younger I looked forward to 16 hour coach flights to Hong Kong and Malaysia. You couldn't pay me enough to do one of those today. Business class, maybe, but even that would not be fun at 63.
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When I lived in SoCal, after I got out of the Navy and graduated from college, I spent a lot of my free time traveling to Asia... mostly S Korea, Hong Kong (before/after China got it back), Japan and Philippines.

AND yes... Those 15 - 16 hour flights were definitely a LONG time to be in a metal tube!! :heh:
 
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