PAC Is Done Stick A Fork In It

CorpRebel said:
Yeah, well... He should ONLY be whining about basketball, the ONLY thing he knows about and was great at! :heh:
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To be fair, Basketball is just as impacted as football with the move... granted, I know you were mostly kidding in your response.
 
Wild Turkey said:
Baghdad Bob grasping at straws:

www.outkick.com

The PAC-12 Is Looking At Adding A Program Located In California

The PAC-12 is reportedly interested in possibly bringing San Diego State into the fold. Will the conference add the Aztecs?
www.outkick.com www.outkick.com

PAC looking to add San Diego State
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It's the only shot they have at maintaining any kind of footprint in Southern California.

He's also been out there saying that USC fans aren't happy about this...which proves he doesn't know any USC fans.

I feel for him a little because this truly isn't his mess. He took over as commissioner and started making some positive changes. Then he gets blindsided by USC and UCLA leaving and now has to try to keep the conference from extinction.

Not sure I understand his approach though. It seems like he's trying to shame USC and UCLA into staying by claiming none of their fans, alumni, etc. want this when the only person I've heard speak against it is Bill Walton.

Seems like he'd be better served to approach the tv networks and ask them what the tv deal would look like if he could convince them USC and UCLA to stay...then take that to them and ask what else they need to stay.

Maybe he already did and they told him to pound sand?
 
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San Diego State is probably the best option right now for the Pac12 to add. Perhaps UNLV or Nevada to get Nevada/Las Vegas market as well.
 
Conference football no longer exists.
 
Wild Turkey said:
Well then networks are paying a shit ton for nothing.
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Sponsors/advertisers you mean. Everyone knows conferences like the SEC and B10 will always be loaded with money so they will always be around, and they will continue to swallow up other teams. The power 5 or 6 are toast because there remains only 2 who will survive the attrition unless it is stopped by upper management. The conferences losing teams have no choice but to find a lesser teams to fill the gap. Like @OregonDucks said, teams that interest nobody outside 100 miles of the town their school is located.
 
dikowt dowg said:
Sponsors/advertisers you mean. Everyone knows conferences like the SEC and B10 will always be loaded with money so they will always be around, and they will continue to swallow up other teams. The power 5 or 6 are toast because there remains only 2 who will survive the attrition unless it is stopped by upper management. The conferences losing teams have no choice but to find a lesser teams to fill the gap. Like @OregonDucks said, teams that interest nobody outside 100 miles of the town their school is located.
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B1G
SEC
ACC
B12

All survive.

The PAC will fold but the Big 12 will cherry pick them.

The ACC will fold after 2036 unless a miracle happens.

But there will still be conferences the P5 just won’t exist.
 
Wild Turkey said:
B1G
SEC
ACC
B12

All survive.

The PAC will fold but the Big 12 will cherry pick them.

The ACC will fold after 2036 unless a miracle happens.

But there will still be conferences the P5 just won’t exist.
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They will survive like baseball and the NBA that very few actually watch. Surviving isn't what OD and I are talking about. Very few people care about west coast ball to begin with. They are already fighting time zones so there isn't going to be many people on the east coast staying up for a game between Colorado and Boise or whatever conference USA team they may drag in for hopes of viewers.

With the SEC and B1G swallowing up the real schools, the west coast conferences will pull zero views from the East. I agree that sponsors and advertisers will keep them floating and on tv someplace, but don't expect national coverage like you will get with every Bama/Auburn game. Regardless of how bad auburn's year is going.

We had a system of regional rivalries that because it was a rival game, the lesser teams survived because there was interest that went back generations. All of that is gone now and why I said conference football is dead.
 
I am concerned, long-term, about current Big12. It is just too spread out from Geographical perspective. I can see it splitting into 2-3 leagues eventually that are more regional.
 
trojanfan12 said:
It's the only shot they have at maintaining any kind of footprint in Southern California.

He's also been out there saying that USC fans aren't happy about this...which proves he doesn't know any USC fans.

I feel for him a little because this truly isn't his mess. He took over as commissioner and started making some positive changes. Then he gets blindsided by USC and UCLA leaving and now has to try to keep the conference from extinction.

Not sure I understand his approach though. It seems like he's trying to shame USC and UCLA into staying by claiming none of their fans, alumni, etc. want this when the only person I've heard speak against it is Bill Walton.

Seems like he'd be better served to approach the tv networks and ask them what the tv deal would look like if he could convince them USC and UCLA to stay...then take that to them and ask what else they need to stay.

Maybe he already did and they told him to pound sand?
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I'm not sure why I understand why USC/UCLA fans would be happy with this move? Sure the schools get more money, but fans aren't going to be seeing any of that. USC/UCLA fans sure as hell aren't going to travel to any road games given the proximity, and the student athletes in the other sports are going to suffer from the travel. I think it will end up being a mistake. Hell if the B12 was able to get $50 Million/year from everything, with essentially no big brand names, the P12 could have easily gotten that, if not in the $60-$65 Million range IMO. You're still behind the SEC/B1G, but you'd have easier access to the CFP, maintain traditional rivalries, and not have to play fucking Rutgers, Indiana, Purdue, Minnesota, Illinois and NW.
 
ericd7633 said:
I'm not sure why I understand why USC/UCLA fans would be happy with this move? Sure the schools get more money, but fans aren't going to be seeing any of that. USC/UCLA fans sure as hell aren't going to travel to any road games given the proximity, and the student athletes in the other sports are going to suffer from the travel. I think it will end up being a mistake. Hell if the B12 was able to get $50 Million/year from everything, with essentially no big brand names, the P12 could have easily gotten that, if not in the $60-$65 Million range IMO. You're still behind the SEC/B1G, but you'd have easier access to the CFP, maintain traditional rivalries, and not have to play fucking Rutgers, Indiana, Purdue, Minnesota, Illinois and NW.
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I mean they still have to play Arizona, Arizona State, Cal, Oregon State, Stanford etc......A pit of bad-mediocrity. I guess they are doing it "closer to home though" lol
 
trojanfan12 said:
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Seems like he'd be better served to approach the tv networks and ask them what the tv deal would look like if he could convince them USC and UCLA to stay...then take that to them and ask what else they need to stay.

Maybe he already did and they told him to pound sand?
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I'm pretty sure that's what USC did or would do... :nod:

:pop2::martini:
 
Not sure that the best option for the four corner schools is the Big12.. FOX isn't going to pay extra for additional teams under the new extended agreement. ESPN would, so while the new 12 school Big12 receives 35 or so mil for media only, new additions will only be making 20 mil

I would think PAC with ESPN/Amazon can get past 20 mil if it's current schools decide to head to the Big12
 
osubuckeye89 said:
I mean they still have to play Arizona, Arizona State, Cal, Oregon State, Stanford etc......A pit of bad-mediocrity. I guess they are doing it "closer to home though" lol
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With USC/UCLA vs. Stanford/Cal at least there is some semblance of a rivalry, or at least its a traditional game. UCLA vs. Arizona is a great basketball rivalry game too. If I was a fan of USC/UCLA, I'd much rather play Cal/Stanford than travel across the country to play Rutgers and Indiana.
 
Wild Turkey said:
Baghdad Bob grasping at straws:

www.outkick.com

The PAC-12 Is Looking At Adding A Program Located In California

The PAC-12 is reportedly interested in possibly bringing San Diego State into the fold. Will the conference add the Aztecs?
www.outkick.com www.outkick.com

PAC looking to add San Diego State
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article says that Big 12 expansion clause says no new money for adding G5 schools. so if San Diego State, Memphis, Boise were added there is no new money but now they get part of the pot so the 12 schools (current and added 4) would take cuts.
also noted that if a power 5 schools is added Fox part stays as is and its only a % increase (not sure if its same % per school added) meaning each Big 12 school still takes a cut. so that math from the 1st post doesnt hold up
 
If the Big XII adds 2 schools (Arizona schools) the math takes that 55mil down to 47. but like i said some % increase so maybe 48 or 49.
add 4 schools and it comes down to 41. % increase maybe 43?
 
osubuckeye89 said:
I mean they still have to play Arizona, Arizona State, Cal, Oregon State, Stanford etc......A pit of bad-mediocrity. I guess they are doing it "closer to home though" lol
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i mean these 5 schools have 6 division championships and 3 conference championships since it became the Pac 12 vs the 2 division championships between the 6 schools mentioned from the Big10.
 
OlyDuck said:
article says that Big 12 expansion clause says no new money for adding G5 schools. so if San Diego State, Memphis, Boise were added there is no new money but now they get part of the pot so the 12 schools (current and added 4) would take cuts.
also noted that if a power 5 schools is added Fox part stays as is and its only a % increase (not sure if its same % per school added) meaning each Big 12 school still takes a cut. so that math from the 1st post doesnt hold up
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sorry was talking about this article that the one already linked references as its source

Canzano: Pac-12 and San Diego State in a dance
 
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