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UM-NMSU figures to be a better game, anyway
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THat'll be the Power 2 then. I'm just not sure I'd consider Rutgers and Miss State as "top brands" but maybe they are.
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all Pac 12 teams have to be on the Pac 12 network like 2x a season. games like USC vs SJS are always going to be put here vs ESPN or ABC and such. USC vs Nevada as well. unlikely to see USC on Pac 12 again all season. (maybe stanford or Cal)
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I don't see it ... at some point there is a tipping point where you alienate too large a group of fans. CFB isn't a pro league, the money notwithstanding. There is tradition, and the tie to schools. They may think they will make more money, but at some point they won't. And who wants a bunch of 6-6 teams, or the best teams being 9-3.
I don't disagree, but teams like Florida State and Clemson are already asking why they have to share money that they generate with teams who generate, comparatively, little. How long before the big money brands all start looking around at the schools who are being propped up by others?
There will be culling, I am sure.
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Agreed. It's why I also think it makes business sense to expand the playoffs and include automatic qualifiers for a certain # of conference champs (although I think that # will be 5 now that the PAC is on the verge of extinction).
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As a Vandy grad, let's start there. Sure, we won't ever win the SEC, but we provide a win and a trip to Nashville for other teams. We are the best team in baseball, and have had years where we were competitive in basketball. We should be able to get back to being competitive there every year. We provide an academic bump, and that still means something. We are the no. 1 women's bowling program in the US, and our women's and men's golf and tennis programs are competitive. I believe we won SEC women's soccer a few years ago. We are founding member of the SEC and have been in it for over a century.
If there is any way we get dropped it will be because a decision is made to split off football. The idea being there will be a Premiere Football League that Vandy would not be in. But we stay SEC in everything else. I am not sure how the money works with that, but there would have to be some welfare payments made to teams like Vandy. We would then drop into some type of league like the Brainiac League that would have Duke, Vandy, Stanford, Tulane, Northwestern, Wake Forest, maybe even UNC, and a few others and we would play each other in what would become fun and competitive games.
But I don't ever see Vandy not in the SEC.
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I've never understood why people don't get that. You have to give the fans of all P4 teams a shot through their CCG. It's also why I wish the G6 would go to a 4 or 8-team playoff. It won't get the money that the P5 get, but they can share a little - they do now, about $90 million last year - and it will generate some millions.
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I'd prefer the G5 to continue to have some access to the CFP. I think it's good for the long term growth of the sport. A lot of programs have built themselves up from the G5 ranks over time and are now relevant players.
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I wonder if the money were the same whether the best G6 would prefer to make the 12 team CFP or try to win a G6 Championship.
IF they cull they'll have to add some other to get up to 35-40.
I think it is pretty obvious that the SEC/B1G big dogs don't mind subsidizing fellow conference members like Vandy, Rutgers, etc. That is probably because they feel they are making enough money while doing so. Obviously, Texas, Oklahoma, USC and UCLA did not feel the same way with the money they were making. Same goes for Florida State and Clemson. If they were making what the SEC/BIG subsidizers were making.....
Cincy did and it hasn't been that long ago that TCU and Utah were G5 schools. The question to me is would schools like Cal and Purdue have been just as good had they been in a G5 conference?
Don’t know why ACC schools would give that extra money to FSU or Clemson. it’s not in their best interest to reward either school when they have 1 foot out the door anyway as FSU has indicated.
If it is money for the ACC, they’ll divide it evenly.
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TLDR - fuck you, read it, it's good stuff.
I am working on an article for Rivals about this, but Clemson and FSU should be working within the ACC to determine how CFP shares will be divided within the ACC beginning in 2026. That should be their endgame. Rough outline:
- In 2026, the 11-game CFP will go from earning around $800 million per year, to $2 billion per year. The 4-team CFP made between $500 and $600 million per year. The 11-game CFP in 2024 and 2025 will make around $800 million.
- Currently, $90 million is given to the G5 to split. Small amounts, about $4-$6 million are given to the conferences of the 4 teams that get in for expenses. The rest is evenly divided between the P5 conferences. The key here is that each conference can then decide how to distribute it, and most do it evenly. FSU and Clemson will want to change that and here is why:
A couple of major things are going to happen:
- The money is going to more than triple from the 4-team, 3-game CFP. Huge bucks.
- The G6 will get a cut like they did before.
- The P4 distribution will be based on "shares" as they do for March Madness. As an example, let's say it's $2 billion, and they cut out $200 million for expenses and the G6 cut. That leaves $1.8 billion for the P4. The shares will work something like this:
* 12 shares for everyone that gets in.
* 8 shares for the teams that get byes or win round 1
* 4 shares for the teams that win round 2
* 2 shares for the teams that win the semis
* 1 share for the NC
That's a total of 27 shares - that means a share is worth about $67 million. The conference of a team that gets in and loses gets $67 million for the 1 share everyone gets. For the winners of round 1 and the byes, they will earn their conference $134 million. The NC will get 5 shares, or $335 million. If the SEC had two teams get to the finals, they would get $603 million (9 shares). Let's say they had another team lose in first round (1 share), another in the second round (2 shares), that's 3 more shares for the SEC that would now get $804 million for 12 shares. That's $50 million per team. Now you can see where the numbers come from when I have posted that the SEC will be in the $115 million range per team ... $60-$70 million in TV, $45-55 million in CFP money.
This is based off what March Madness does. There is more complexity to it, but there is more money in the CFP - $2 billion v. $1.2 billion for March Madness. And, in March Madness, there are way more teams and games, and therefore far more shares - something like 120 shares v. 27 shares. So, shares are worth a lot more in the CFP.
So, FSU and Clemson, the teams in the ACC that are most likely to get into the CFP should be negotiating for the ACC distribution to be given mostly to those who earn it. Let's say they each win a game and then lose. That's 2 shares each, or $134 million each, or $268 million for the ACC. If you distributed that across 16 teams, that would be $16.75 million which puts the ACC schools at about $45-$55 million, the numbers I have posted in the past. But, if I were Clemson and FSU I would say, fuck that. Let's give all the teams 60% of the total share revenue, or about $10 million each. Then the teams that got in the CFP get the other 40%. So, $160 million would go to all teams, including Clemson and FSU, leaving $108 million or $54 million for FSU and Clemson. They also got $10 million each team got, meaning they would get $64 million for getting into the CFP and winning a game. Now, they are in the $90 million range and can compete. This will incentivize other schools in the ACC to invest in their programs, and in recruiting. Basically, if you want SEC money in the ACC, you better start getting into the CFP. Schools that could do that are Miami, FSU, Clemson, Wake, UNC, NCSU, VaTech, Lousiville, and the Nerds. This would also have the benefit of making the ACC more competitive, and they could be ready to sign a bigger contract in 2036.
These amounts in the ACC are all hypotheticals, of course, Maybe they give more to all schools because that is the agreement now. But if they want to try to really get SEC money and get 2-3 teams in per year, they need to give schools a reason to invest.
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You keep adding CFP to conference.
PAC-12 has been the better conference. Period.
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You don't seem to get what I have been saying ... the post I was responding to was about the conferences in the CFP. Not which conference was better or not.
I already said I don't give a shit if the PAC or the B12 was a better conference. I am not about to get into an argument about which is the taller building in Topeka ... no one gives a fuck. You are literally arguing which is the 4 or 5 conference, when one no longer exists.