Pete Rose and Shoeless Joe now Hall of Fame eligible

SU Nittany Tide said:
Did he ever bet against his own team?
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Probably. The guy lied about gambling, then lied about gambling involving his team. The last claim he made was that he never bet against him, but it easily could've been a lie. Then again, it was the Reds, he had a .525 record and never made the playoffs. Either way, it was a violation of the rule.

Rose earned his hits and should definitely be in the HOF as the all-time hits leader. Now that he's dead, there's no reason not to. As I said, Shoeless Joe's guilt is more difficult. He confessed his guilt in throwing the 1919 Series and at least knew that the team were accepting bribes, because he himself had been offered multiple bribes.
 
Mofo said:
Probably. The guy lied about gambling, then lied about gambling involving his team. The last claim he made was that he never bet against him, but it easily could've been a lie. Then again, it was the Reds, he had a .525 record and never made the playoffs. Either way, it was a violation of the rule.

Rose earned his hits and should definitely be in the HOF as the all-time hits leader. Now that he's dead, there's no reason not to. As I said, Shoeless Joe's guilt is more difficult. He confessed his guilt in throwing the 1919 Series and at least knew that the team were accepting bribes, because he himself had been offered multiple bribes.
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MLB has made over a billion dollars on betting. Fuck their nobility.
 
Center Ice said:
MLB has made over a billion dollars on betting. Fuck their nobility.
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Oh, it's clearly an outdated sensibility. Every pro sport has open gambling now, to the point where I don't even know how they police it for staff members.
 
wazzu31 said:
Anyone who thinks Ty Cobb and Tris Speaker being in the HOF but Shoeless Joe can’t be are retards
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I don't care if he ends up in the Hall of Fame, I just don't want to hear that he was just an innocent victim.
 
Illustrious Potentate said:
Ty Cobb shouldn’t be mentioned with Tris Speaker. Most of what you’ve heard about Cobb either didn’t happen or was highly sensationalized
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Um, you do know that the two are directly linked through a gambling scandal (presumably what he was referencing)? And there was more evidence implicating Cobb than there was against Speaker.
 
DragonFromTo said:
Um, you do know that the two are directly linked through a gambling scandal (presumably what he was referencing)? And there was more evidence implicating Cobb than there was against Speaker.
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I thought he was referencing Tris Speaker’s real ties to white supremacy and lumping Cobb in with him there. My bad. TBH, the gambling stuff isn’t a concern for me
 
Illustrious Potentate said:
I thought he was referencing Tris Speaker’s real ties to white supremacy and lumping Cobb in with him there. My bad. TBH, the gambling stuff isn’t a concern for me
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Oh my bad, no it was them making money by colluding. So disregard my other remark
 
Pete Rose and Joe Jackson are now eligible to be elected into the Hall of Fame. Do the Baseball Writers elect them or is it the Old-Timers Committee?
 
Voltaire said:
Pete Rose and Joe Jackson are now eligible to be elected into the Hall of Fame. Do the Baseball Writers elect them or is it the Old-Timers Committee?
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old timers
 
Center Ice said:
LOL @ gambling being the game's mortal sin. MLB makes billions of sports betting. Fucking tards.
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No shit. Every game I watch, seems like over half the commercials are for betting sites, not to mention the adverts at the actual stadiums.
 
Mofo said:
Probably. The guy lied about gambling, then lied about gambling involving his team
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No...It is well documented that he did not bet against his team.
 
rsw626 said:
His stats in that WS say he wasn't. He batted .375, 6 RBIs, 3 doubles, .563 SLG and .956 OPS
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I got this from Google AI

The saying "Say it ain't so, Joe" is famously associated with baseball player Shoeless Joe Jackson and his alleged involvement in the 1919 Black Sox scandal. The phrase is said to have been spoken by a newsboy who approached Jackson after he was released from the Cook County Courthouse, where he was being questioned about the scandal. Jackson supposedly responded, "It's so, kid," acknowledging the accusations. The phrase has become a catchphrase used when someone is confronted with a difficult truth or a potentially damaging situation, often with a touch of disbelief or a pleading tone.
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He may not have thrown the World Series, but apparently to money to throw it. Chicago did lose, but those are close to MVP numbers.
 
Voltaire said:
My humble opinion of you should be in the Hall of Fame (in order)
1. “Sweet” Lou Whitaker - never even argued with an umpire & Higher WAR than Jeter.
2. Barry Bonds - had to hit against pitchers who were on Steroids (they rather walk him with the bases loaded).
3. Roger Clemens - had to pitch against hitters who were on Steroids.
4. Pete Rose - Career hit leader - played everywhere.
5. “Shoeless” Joe Jackson. .356 lifetime average … his glove is where triples go to die
tie 6. “Slamming” Sammy Sosa & Mark McGwire. They brought baseball back after a stupidass lockout.
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Makes one wonder how the Reds managed to hit a couple of run scoring triples to left field in the first two games of the 1919 World Series.
 
Voltaire said:
I got this from Google AI



He may not have thrown the World Series, but apparently to money to throw it. Chicago did lose, but those are close to MVP numbers.
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Seems the "dullard" managed to swindle Rothstein but not baseball. Either way, he belongs in the HoF.
 
rsw626 said:
His stats in that WS say he wasn't. He batted .375, 6 RBIs, 3 doubles, .563 SLG and .956 OPS
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Not every game in the Series was thrown though. Half of Joe's hits in the series came in the honest games (6 and 7). His defensive play/effort was also not up to its usual standard and that was noticed and well documented (hell Ray Schalk basically got himself into the HoF just for screaming and yelling at everybody else in that Series :laugh: ). I wouldn't say that Joe's play (and the statistical record of it) convicts him but it doesn't exactly exonerate him.
 
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