Phil Knight Cold Calling The SEC and B1G

NewPhoneWhoDis said:
As I said -- I'm not the normal UM fan. I'm a realist and understand the landscape of CFB. The days of teams taking rosters fill with unranked or two/three star recruits and winning a title is long over. If you aren't getting the elite recruits (the 5 star, the top 100, the top 150 type recruits in bunches every cycle) you are only falling further and further behind.

With the high school level now filled with advanced coaching, high level national camps, 7 on 7's, strength and conditioning programs, etc. -- You may find one or two guys who make a big jump in college, but that isn't the norm. Michigan fans are blinded by our recruiting classes that say top 10, but when you look at the breakdown of the difference between a top 10 class and a top 5 class it is ENORMOUS. Two years ago -- UM had the #9 class, OSU had a top 5 class, cant remember if it was 3, 4 or 5. Our #1 recruit in our class was AJ Henning. He would have been the 10th or 11th best recruit in OSU's class. Yet, we were only 4 or 5 spots in the rankings from them.

Our ONLY shot to recruit like the truly elite programs right now is NIL deals -- having our boosters with more money than they know what to do with, to start throwing money at recruits. If that doesn't happen -- UM will continue to be what they are. A 2nd or 3rd place team in our own division.
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it's not just about boosters.. if u have a rabid fanbase.. typically with the ones that pay for 3 or 4 different $9.95er sites, just to be in the know.. That can be just as valuable as having a Phil Knight when it comes to NIL.. Texas is doing well with it because they were the first to start doing collectives. Surly Horns started Burnt Ends which pays the on scholarship TEs just for being there. Now they have to do an interview on their podcast, and have a dinner with the select $50-$100 or more contributors after the season.. which they also can sign autographs for extra money.

Same lovable group of assholes then started the pancake factory which pays an additional $50k per scholarship OL..

Now that got the attention of people who have deeper pockets.. and with help from like minded people, the Clark Field Collective is here which is paying for every scholarship player on the team.. the goal is to pay each $100k.. not sure what that number is at the moment.

But point is.. your base is just as valuable as one Tycoon
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
I think it brings tremendous value to the B1G -- I just didn't understand how the one poster stated that it didn't? UCLA may not bring the value they could have in the past from Football, but they bring it in other sports, especially basketball. And by locking down the LA television market and taking two of the premiere schools from the Pac 12 -- it could only be viewed as a huge win.
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The value of the LA market doesn’t factor in as much as you indicate. Before streaming and cable cutting it was extremely valuable but now ratings is the King because that drives revenue. That is the biggest factor conferences are going to be looking at. You think the SEC gives a crap about the Oklahoma market? No, but they do care about the ratings that OU can get. We are going to see some monster ratings early on when TX and OU start playing big SEC programs (it will taper off some but they will still pull) and the same for USC. UCLA will drive some interest but they aren’t going to score ratings like an USC vs Michigan/Ohio State/Penn State will.
 
Wild Turkey said:
We are going to see some monster ratings early on when TX and OU start playing big SEC programs
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listen here turkey leg.. SEC programs will begin seeing big numbers when they play the TEXAS LONGHORNS
 
Thiefery said:
listen here turkey leg.. SEC programs will begin seeing big numbers when they play the TEXAS LONGHORNS
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That might be true if you could pull numbers that weren’t OOC games or the RRR. I’ve been telling you for years your numbers suck and no one wants to see you play TCU.

Shit when you played Ole Miss it was your second highest ratings of that year.

People tuned in to watch Arkansas kick your ass not the other way around.
 
Wild Turkey said:
That might be true if you could pull numbers that weren’t OOC games or the RRR. I’ve been telling you for years your numbers suck and no one wants to see you play TCU.

Shit when you played Ole Miss it was your second highest ratings of that year.

People tuned in to watch Arkansas kick your ass not the other way around.
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lol think people gonna be lining up to see u play TCU, iowa st, kansas st??

lol they tuned in to see TEXAS.. whether it was going to be a beating or not.. they packed that place more than whenever you or bama rolls in
 
Thiefery said:
it's not just about boosters.. if u have a rabid fanbase.. typically with the ones that pay for 3 or 4 different $9.95er sites, just to be in the know.. That can be just as valuable as having a Phil Knight when it comes to NIL.. Texas is doing well with it because they were the first to start doing collectives. Surly Horns started Burnt Ends which pays the on scholarship TEs just for being there. Now they have to do an interview on their podcast, and have a dinner with the select $50-$100 or more contributors after the season.. which they also can sign autographs for extra money.

Same lovable group of assholes then started the pancake factory which pays an additional $50k per scholarship OL..

Now that got the attention of people who have deeper pockets.. and with help from like minded people, the Clark Field Collective is here which is paying for every scholarship player on the team.. the goal is to pay each $100k.. not sure what that number is at the moment.

But point is.. your base is just as valuable as one Tycoon
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I realize that -- UM took a back seat with NIL, instead relying on the hopes of signing recruits who want to come to UM, because of the academics and history of the school. That worked just fine before guaranteed money came into play and you have 18 year olds making a million dollars a year off NIL.

UM's administration refuses to change with the current landscape of CFB. They are stuck in their archaic ways and it is only getting worse. That is why Xavier Worthy ended up at Texas, because of our administration. They didn't want to let him enroll early because of a high school class.

UM can't get out of their own way. It is going to suck to watch how far we fall behind, but it will be great to watch the administration get obliterated by the fan base.

UM has no shortage of alumni boosters looking to throw money around. The school simply doesn't let them. Boosters literally argued over who was going to pay for those europe field trips Harbaugh took the team on. It cost over $1 million to send the team on those and the school had to alternate who paid for the trip each year.


Texas has done it right. A&M has done it right. Hell -- Miami has one guy who simply buying up recruits. UM needs to get with the times or fall further behind.
 
Wild Turkey said:
The value of the LA market doesn’t factor in as much as you indicate. Before streaming and cable cutting it was extremely valuable but now ratings is the King because that drives revenue. That is the biggest factor conferences are going to be looking at. You think the SEC gives a crap about the Oklahoma market? No, but they do care about the ratings that OU can get. We are going to see some monster ratings early on when TX and OU start playing big SEC programs (it will taper off some but they will still pull) and the same for USC. UCLA will drive some interest but they aren’t going to score ratings like an USC vs Michigan/Ohio State/Penn State will.
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I see it as a combination of both -- the ratings and the market. It is the only reason Rutgers is in the B1G, because of the market they are located in.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
A&M has done it right.
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ehhh they didn't do it the way UT has.. they did it the old fashion way last cycle.. and kids aren't shutting it down when they get offered a good amount like they did a year ago.. Unless they go on a run that includes Hicks, Hill, Toviano and a flip from Novosad.. it doesn't look like they will crack the top 10. Normally I say it's still early in July.. but the guys on the board are falling.. and good luck trying to get the majority of those to flip
 
Thiefery said:
ehhh they didn't do it the way UT has.. they did it the old fashion way last cycle.. and kids aren't shutting it down when they get offered a good amount like they did a year ago.. Unless they go on a run that includes Hicks, Hill, Toviano and a flip from Novosad.. it doesn't look like they will crack the top 10. Normally I say it's still early in July.. but the guys on the board are falling.. and good luck trying to get the majority of those to flip
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With the class they signed -- if those players pan out -- they could have a couple monster years for their program. Texas has come up with a sustainable NIL plan, A&M is shooting for the stars. Both can work, but A&M's isn't sustainable.
 
trojanfan12 said:
It's important to remember that Ducks fans didn't know football was a thing until about 15 years ago.
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you all keep saying 15 years and never move the time frame even tho years pass.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
I see it as a combination of both -- the ratings and the market. It is the only reason Rutgers is in the B1G, because of the market they are located in.
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Rutgers was added to the B1G (and Missouri to the SEC) when markets mattered because of the way cable subscriptions worked. That model is dead and neither would make it into the B1G or SEC now.

In the new world of cable cutting and streaming, the ONLY thing that matters anymore is ratings because that is what sets the advertising rates and where the revenue stream is located.

Before cable companies could add the Big 10 network or SEC network to your package and if you had a conference team in that state you paid $1.50 a month for the channel instead of .50 regardless if you wanted to or not. So in a big state like NJ and Missouri that equaled big dollars and triple the revenue but that is gone for the most part now because it doesn't work like that with streaming.

In today's environment, Rutgers wouldn't even get a sniff because the size of the market does not matter for the most part.
 
Thiefery said:
lol think people gonna be lining up to see u play TCU, iowa st, kansas st??

lol they tuned in to see TEXAS.. whether it was going to be a beating or not.. they packed that place more than whenever you or bama rolls in
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Texas for their bigger Big 12 games pulled about 1.4 pretty consistently.

Auburn for the bigger SEC games pulls about a 2.2 on average.

Texas vs OU was 3.4
Ala vs Aub was 5.3

So no Auburn pulls bigger numbers and Texas will also in the SEC and it won't be just to watch Texas.
 
Wild Turkey said:
Texas for their bigger Big 12 games pulled about 1.4 pretty consistently.

Auburn for the bigger SEC games pulls about a 2.2 on average.

Texas vs OU was 3.4
Ala vs Aub was 5.3

So no Auburn pulls bigger numbers and Texas will also in the SEC and it won't be just to watch Texas.
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how much you want to wager than UT vs Bama is bigger than whatever rating your game will be? and how much you wanna bet that UT vs aggy pulls in more numbers than Bama vs Auburn?

*edit doesn't need to be real money

How about a bottle of Wild Turkey for you and a bottle of Don Julio for me??
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
With the class they signed -- if those players pan out -- they could have a couple monster years for their program. Texas has come up with a sustainable NIL plan, A&M is shooting for the stars. Both can work, but A&M's isn't sustainable.
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yeah their subs want to know the truth

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Wild Turkey said:
Texas for their bigger Big 12 games pulled about 1.4 pretty consistently.

Auburn for the bigger SEC games pulls about a 2.2 on average.

Texas vs OU was 3.4
Ala vs Aub was 5.3

So no Auburn pulls bigger numbers and Texas will also in the SEC and it won't be just to watch Texas.
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Texas isn't as high as you think for the number of viewers -- they are on par with Wisconsin.

Here is the average number of viewers per week from 2015-2019, not including conference championship games, playoffs, etc.
  1. Ohio State (5.19M)
  2. Alabama (5.09M)
  3. Michigan (4.18M)
  4. Notre Dame (3.61M)
  5. LSU (3.22M)
  6. Auburn (3.12M)
  7. Georgia (2.91M)
  8. Oklahoma (2.90M)
  9. Clemson (2.67M)
  10. Penn State (2.55M)
  11. Florida (2.46M)
  12. Wisconsin (2.27M)
  13. Texas (2.269M)
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Texas isn't as high as you think for the number of viewers -- they are on par with Wisconsin.

Here is the average number of viewers per week from 2015-2019, not including conference championship games, playoffs, etc.
  1. Ohio State (5.19M)
  2. Alabama (5.09M)
  3. Michigan (4.18M)
  4. Notre Dame (3.61M)
  5. LSU (3.22M)
  6. Auburn (3.12M)
  7. Georgia (2.91M)
  8. Oklahoma (2.90M)
  9. Clemson (2.67M)
  10. Penn State (2.55M)
  11. Florida (2.46M)
  12. Wisconsin (2.27M)
  13. Texas (2.269M)
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Ohio State (5.19M) I can see this, lots of people
Alabama (5.09M) This too with their mega success
Michigan (4.18M) Impressive, but lots of population
Notre Dame (3.61M) I thought they would be higher.
LSU (3.22M)
Auburn (3.12M)
Georgia (2.91M)
Oklahoma (2.90M) I think this number moves up with better games in the SEC
Clemson (2.67M) *See Oklahoma above, if they did move
Penn State (2.55M)
Florida (2.46M)
Wisconsin (2.27M)
Texas (2.269M) see Oklahoma above
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Texas isn't as high as you think for the number of viewers -- they are on par with Wisconsin.

Here is the average number of viewers per week from 2015-2019, not including conference championship games, playoffs, etc.
  1. Ohio State (5.19M)
  2. Alabama (5.09M)
  3. Michigan (4.18M)
  4. Notre Dame (3.61M)
  5. LSU (3.22M)
  6. Auburn (3.12M)
  7. Georgia (2.91M)
  8. Oklahoma (2.90M)
  9. Clemson (2.67M)
  10. Penn State (2.55M)
  11. Florida (2.46M)
  12. Wisconsin (2.27M)
  13. Texas (2.269M)
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What ? No Oregon ? That can’t be true !
 
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