Players Now Demand A Chunk Of Media Rights Revenue.

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

That was just some shooting from the hip thoughts. You would distribute according to the % their sport brings in. All but a few lose money, so those players don't get anything or very little and shouldn't expect anything. That leaves about 110 football and basketball players. That's real money.

If you play a sport that loses money -- the student/athletes should have to pay back that money or the school reserves the right to eliminate the sport. Let's make this real life -- if student/athletes want to be paid like professionals, they should be treated as such. Sorry swimming, tennis, cross country, cheerleaders, softball, essentially every female sport sans maybe a few basketball teams and volleyball teams -- they should all be removed.

If you aren't making money -- the school should be to remove it. Eliminate Title IX altogether. We need to get this going -- I was to see blood shed, 100's of programs removed eliminating 1000's of scholarships and these schools can pour that money into the sports that actually make money. Megan Rapinoe's head would explode if this happened.

 

[Goldbug]

I've walked away from 3 different pro sports over the years because I got tired of the greed, stupidity and constant cheap crap with the athletes being more focused on their pocketbooks than succeeding on the playing field/track. I just hope they don't morph college sports into something that suffers from the same problems. So do a lot of other people. Losing long time fans and failing to create new fans is a poor way to maintain the long term health of any sport. Don't say it can't happen. It could if things don't get put under some reasonable control.

 

[Thiefery]

I've walked away from 3 different pro sports over the years because I got tired of the greed, stupidity and constant cheap crap with the athletes being more focused on their pocketbooks than succeeding on the playing field/track. I just hope they don't morph college sports into something that suffers from the same problems. So do a lot of other people. Losing long time fans and failing to create new fans is a poor way to maintain the long term health of any sport. Don't say it can't happen. It could if things don't get put under some reasonable control.

you must be driving an electric car these days along with cutting your lawn with an EGO lawnmower

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Did you type that part about caring about the holistic aspect of the sport with a straight face?

LOL, I know, right? I went to my first Gator game in 1966. I grew up going to games throughout the SEC, and bowl games. I've thrown a football in The Grove when one could do such a thing. I love what I grew up with. But I am a realist. That is not coming back. We have to look forward. Some type of sharing arrangement with all conferences, plus NIL for those that deserve more sounds good. I am sure there are issues ... I've given all of about 15 minutes of thinking into it.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Your never going to win a court case like that when it's for the whole schools media rights, not just the sports that "make money"

After taxes is very much important in every aspect of it

Major derpage here

Ok, so you come up with a way to give small amounts to all athletes. Whatever percentage their sport contributes to the media rights, they will get that share. So, women's bowling is probably 0% of Vandy's media deal. They get 0% or some nominal minimal amount. Swimming probably is worth .01%. Those numbers would be available. That takes care of that. And, let's be real, no one is worried about the women's lacrosse team filing a lawsuit. It's football and basketball.

Taxes are always important for the person getting money, but not in discussions like these. No one is going to say "we want 5% more, we have to pay taxes." The school will say, we all pay taxes, talk to your elected representatives if you don't like how much you pay in taxes.

Finally, will you grow up for a couple of seconds and stop with the insults. We are throwing around ideas. Maybe mine are good, maybe they aren't. What I am proposing will get consideration in some form or fashion. I respect that you can disagree. Do it like an adult. Dump on my Dawgs. Give fun shit to me when we lose a game. But in discussions like these, stop acting like a third grader and engage with people for fuck sake.

 

[Hu War Yu]

College football is becoming the wild Wild West.

Can we just rewind to 2009 and start over?

If we're rewinding 94 is most preferred

Nah, let's rewind to 20--...

I mean 19--...

I mean 18--...

Aww, nuts.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

If you play a sport that loses money -- the student/athletes should have to pay back that money or the school reserves the right to eliminate the sport. Let's make this real life -- if student/athletes want to be paid like professionals, they should be treated as such. Sorry swimming, tennis, cross country, cheerleaders, softball, essentially every female sport sans maybe a few basketball teams and volleyball teams -- they should all be removed.

If you aren't making money -- the school should be to remove it. Eliminate Title IX altogether. We need to get this going -- I was to see blood shed, 100's of programs removed eliminating 1000's of scholarships and these schools can pour that money into the sports that actually make money. Megan Rapinoe's head would explode if this happened.

I appreciate where you are coming from and agree with some of it. For example, guaranteed schollies sure seems like it's on the table, right? But the fact is that the schools do make a shit ton of money. Giving everyone a share would go a long way to making some of these issues going away. I don't mind women's rowing getting $100 each ... that will run some schools a million bucks, LOL.

 

[The Q]

It's also about Title IX, so it's not only about football.

If they make only football players employees, how does that affect it?

 

[Thiefery]

If they make only football players employees, how does that affect it?

he's worried if it did..Nebraska won't be a volleyball school anymore either

 

[Goldbug]

you must be driving an electric car these days along with cutting your lawn with an EGO lawnmower

You lost me. I owned one EV years ago and got rid of that POS. I have electric and gas mowers. The tractors are diesel. So are the trucks. The pickups are gasoline. We have RYOBI tools out the ass. But none of that relates to my disgust with college athletes thinking they want to demand special treatment like LeBron.

 

[NU_WTF?]

Nah, let's rewind to 20--...

I mean 19--...

I mean 18--...

Aww, nuts.

Now you get it

 

[NU_WTF?]

Ok, so you come up with a way to give small amounts to all athletes. Whatever percentage their sport contributes to the media rights, they will get that share. So, women's bowling is probably 0% of Vandy's media deal. They get 0% or some nominal minimal amount. Swimming probably is worth .01%. Those numbers would be available. That takes care of that. And, let's be real, no one is worried about the women's lacrosse team filing a lawsuit. It's football and basketball.

Taxes are always important for the person getting money, but not in discussions like these. No one is going to say "we want 5% more, we have to pay taxes." The school will say, we all pay taxes, talk to your elected representatives if you don't like how much you pay in taxes.

Finally, will you grow up for a couple of seconds and stop with the insults. We are throwing around ideas. Maybe mine are good, maybe they aren't. What I am proposing will get consideration in some form or fashion. I respect that you can disagree. Do it like an adult. Dump on my Dawgs. Give fun shit to me when we lose a game. But in discussions like these, stop acting like a third grader and engage with people for fuck sake.

No.

What insult? You're self owning over there I don't have to do anything

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

I appreciate where you are coming from and agree with some of it. For example, guaranteed schollies sure seems like it's on the table, right? But the fact is that the schools do make a shit ton of money. Giving everyone a share would go a long way to making some of these issues going away. I don't mind women's rowing getting $100 each ... that will run some schools a million bucks, LOL.

I'd flat out pull guaranteed scholarships. If these kids want to be treated like a professional, then they take the good with the bad. I don't care if Johnny is halfway done with the credits for his major or if his girlfriend and all his friends are at "whatever university" -- you were given a scholarship to be a quality football player -- you aren't holding up your end of the bargain -- hit the door, you are no longer needed and we aren't paying for your school.

So the player has the option to stay and pay his own way in school, or transfer and find another school.

And with the sports losing money for the school -- they don't get a dime of the media rights, until the school is paid every last penny they have put into that sport. If they minute % of the media rights doesn't cover the amount put into the sport by the school. The sport is simply removed or turned into a club sport, where there are no scholarships and you pay your own way.

This could be amazing to see where schools go with this. If the kids want to treat it like the NFL, MLB, NBA, etc. -- The schools should handle it exactly the same way.

 

[NU_WTF?]

I'd flat out pull guaranteed scholarships. If these kids want to be treated like a professional, then they take the good with the bad. I don't care if Johnny is halfway done with the credits for his major or if his girlfriend and all his friends are at "whatever university" -- you were given a scholarship to be a quality football player -- you aren't holding up your end of the bargain -- hit the door, you are no longer needed and we aren't paying for your school.

So the player has the option to stay and pay his own way in school, or transfer and find another school.

And with the sports losing money for the school -- they don't get a dime of the media rights, until the school is paid every last penny they have put into that sport. If they minute % of the media rights doesn't cover the amount put into the sport by the school. The sport is simply removed or turned into a club sport, where there are no scholarships and you pay your own way.

This could be amazing to see where schools go with this. If the kids want to treat it like the NFL, MLB, NBA, etc. -- The schools should handle it exactly the same way.

Too many fags Wana have their cake and eat it too

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

No.

What insult? You're self owning over there I don't have to do anything

Still a third grader, I see. Back to the kiddies table ... let the adults talk college football.

 

[NU_WTF?]

Still a third grader, I see. Back to the kiddies table ... let the adults talk college football.

NO not a 3rd grader, i can just see how stupid your argument is and doesnt deserve any real attention until you address reality.

of 51 power five schools that report their revenue/profits (in 20-21) only 17 made more than 1 million in profits. only 22 of 51 were operating in the black for 20-21

you want to split PROFIT that is one thing but YOU want to give REVENUE. That is your major derpage that you keep failing to address.

 

[Thiefery]

You lost me. I owned one EV years ago and got rid of that POS. I have electric and gas mowers. The tractors are diesel. So are the trucks. The pickups are gasoline. We have RYOBI tools out the ass. But none of that relates to my disgust with college athletes thinking they want to demand special treatment like LeBron.

you were going in about greed.. so i was wondering if you boycotted gasoline lol.. I have a battery operated lawn mower, edger and blower (not BV).. but I still use gasoline for my pickup

 

[Goldbug]

you were going in about greed.. so i was wondering if you boycotted gasoline lol.. I have a battery operated lawn mower, edger and blower (not BV).. but I still use gasoline for my pickup

We own offshore wells in the Gulf of Mexico as well as wells in TX, LA and OK. I love oil and gas. I am 100% for protecting the environment so we're very, very careful. High gasoline prices are good for me but I don't really like it this high because it's too tough on people.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

NO not a 3rd grader, i can just see how stupid your argument is and doesnt deserve any real attention until you address reality.

of 51 power five schools that report their revenue/profits (in 20-21) only 17 made more than 1 million in profits. only 22 of 51 were operating in the black for 20-21

you want to split PROFIT that is one thing but YOU want to give REVENUE. That is your major derpage that you keep failing to address.

Now we are getting somewhere. I've stated a few times I am just shooting from the hip ... that's how one forms ideas. I'm open to listening to what you have to say and learning from it if you make sense. You should try this.

There is going to be a discussion about paying players at some point. Hell, it's here. SCOTUS in Alston guaranteed that.

I see where you are coming from with the "profit" v. "revenue." I'll think through that. What I was thinking is that you have at least two conferences that are about to double their revenue. Even the B12 is going to get more than they were before. Before they start spending all that increased revenue, perhaps they should consider spending it on an expense they need ... the athletes or the labor. If they don't, SCOTUS is going to make them. So throwing up their hands and saying we are broke all the while signing multi-billion dollar deals isn't going to work.

As for your profit v. revenue, we agree that profit = revenue - expenses, I assume. Can you agree that the labor that produces the revenue needs to be an expense? I mean if the schools aren't having to even pay their labor and still can't make a profit, seems like they aren't running a good business. I have to look at what I pay my employees when we set our budgets every year. I'd argue that once they get it into their heads that they are going to have to finally pay for the labor, then they have to figure out what other expenses to cut. Maybe coaches salaries (although they are often paid out of other funds), or administrators, or facilities (again often paid out of other funds). But, as SCOTUS said in Alston, fixing the price of labor at zero isn't going to work.

Here is a good breakdown on expenses for a major school ... this site is great:

Sportico’s Intercollegiate Finance Database

Sportico is maintaining an interactive, real-time database that tracks the official balance sheets of public FBS university athletic departments.

www.sportico.com

That's Florida. Let's look into this to see where that money could come from to pay the labor. I looked at Buffalo and App State, totally different scenarios. How do you do this so it works for both levels of teams?

 

[NU_WTF?]

Now we are getting somewhere. I've stated a few times I am just shooting from the hip ... that's how one forms ideas. I'm open to listening to what you have to say and learning from it if you make sense. You should try this.

There is going to be a discussion about paying players at some point. Hell, it's here. SCOTUS in Alston guaranteed that.

I see where you are coming from with the "profit" v. "revenue." I'll think through that. What I was thinking is that you have at least two conferences that are about to double their revenue. Even the B12 is going to get more than they were before. Before they start spending all that increased revenue, perhaps they should consider spending it on an expense they need ... the athletes or the labor. If they don't, SCOTUS is going to make them. So throwing up their hands and saying we are broke all the while signing multi-billion dollar deals isn't going to work.

As for your profit v. revenue, we agree that profit = revenue - expenses, I assume. Can you agree that the labor that produces the revenue needs to be an expense? I mean if the schools aren't having to even pay their labor and still can't make a profit, seems like they aren't running a good business. I have to look at what I pay my employees when we set our budgets every year. I'd argue that once they get it into their heads that they are going to have to finally pay for the labor, then they have to figure out what other expenses to cut. Maybe coaches salaries (although they are often paid out of other funds), or administrators, or facilities (again often paid out of other funds). But, as SCOTUS said in Alston, fixing the price of labor at zero isn't going to work.

Here is a good breakdown on expenses for a major school ... this site is great:

Sportico’s Intercollegiate Finance Database

Sportico is maintaining an interactive, real-time database that tracks the official balance sheets of public FBS university athletic departments.

www.sportico.com

That's Florida. Let's look into this to see where that money could come from to pay the labor. I looked at Buffalo and App State, totally different scenarios. How do you do this so it works for both levels of teams?

Who do you think is doubling revenue? You're pie in the sky ideas are non starters without addressing reality.