Scenario: Let Ball Drop?

Illustrious Potentate said:
Win at all cost. It should be every team’s motto

It’s why I respect the Astros so much
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First one goes into your ribs, second one ends your season and possibly your career. I wouldn't put up with that shit, if you want to stoop that level I'm come down there and beat your ass at it :suds:
 
fordman84 said:
First one goes into your ribs, second one ends your season and possibly your career. I wouldn't put up with that shit, if you want to stoop that level I'm come down there and beat your ass at it :suds:
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If I had my way, every player on my team would either have to be a black belt or a regional golden gloves champ.

I want a team that can both win the game and the brawl
 
fordman84 said:
Any player ever does that and they sit the next game, guaranteed. You make the plays and let the cards fall where they can. There are a lot of high-IQ plays, but letting a foul ball drop on the hopes the next pitch won't be hit even harder isn't one of them.
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Fair points. Like I said….I’m sure as hell not coaching it, and if my player does it and we get out of the inning unscathed he’s getting the Willie Mays Hayes treatment from me when he hits the dugout (“Great play….don’t ever fucking do it again”)

Reality is if a RF ever tries this and the team gets out of the jam he looks smart. Then others will try it in similar situations and it won’t work out. Trend over.
 
Did someone on here say they’d catch the foul in the bottom of the ninth in a tied game and let the winning run tag up???!!!
 
ELTEXAN said:
Did someone on here say they’d catch the foul in the bottom of the ninth in a tied game and let the winning run tag up???!!!
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your scenario is the tie run tags up, and yes I'd do that 100% of the time.
 
fordman84 said:
your scenario is the tie run tags up, and yes I'd do that 100% of the time.
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Yes. My scenario is the tie.
that's why I asked if someone had mentioned the other , nuclear option.
 
ELTEXAN said:
Yes. My scenario is the tie.
that's why I asked if someone had mentioned the other , nuclear option.
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And yes, you still make the catch. There are still a series of events that have to go right in order to lose the game.
 
fordman84 said:
And yes, you still make the catch. There are still a series of events that have to go right in order to lose the game.
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You catch the ball with the winning run on third, it’s far more likely the runner scores than doesn’t
 
Illustrious Potentate said:
You catch the ball with the winning run on third, it’s far more likely the runner scores than doesn’t
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And at least you made the play you were put out there to make. You didn't bitch out and hope that someone else can make the play on the next pitch.
 
fordman84 said:
And at least you made the play you were put out there to make. You didn't bitch out and hope that someone else can make the play on the next pitch.
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Gives the pitcher a shot at a strikeout or a grounder right at a drawn in infield. The outfielders are playing in too, and if they have to give ground to catch the ball, there’s zero shot of getting the out at home.

You’re pretty well playing for a strikeout, a popout or a sharp grounder right at someone. Better to take the chance of one of those things happening later in the AB than guarantee a loss for your team
 
Illustrious Potentate said:
Gives the pitcher a shot at a strikeout or a grounder right at a drawn in infield. The outfielders are playing in too, and if they have to give ground to catch the ball, there’s zero shot of getting the out at home.

You’re pretty well playing for a strikeout, a popout or a sharp grounder right at someone. Better to take the chance of one of those things happening later in the AB than guarantee a loss for your team
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If the OF is playing in, then a deep shot to foul right isn't going to have a chance to catch. If it does have a chance to catch then you have a play at the plate.
 
fordman84 said:
If the OF is playing in, then a deep shot to foul right isn't going to have a chance to catch. If it does have a chance to catch then you have a play at the plate.
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Outfielders give ground to make catches all the time, especially if it’s a high in the air.

And what if it’s a pitcher like Josh Hader facing a lefty where the odds of a strikeout are high?
 
Not sure you give up the run even in the first.

I'm sure there would be analytics on this given the pitcher, ump, batter, etc, but with 2 strikes, I'd say that statistics would normally favor the pitcher in the scenario of letting it drop even in the first. You'll give up 0 runs that at bat a higher percentage of time than you'll have a guy botch a tag up.
 
Illustrious Potentate said:
Outfielders give ground to make catches all the time, especially if it’s a high in the air.

And what if it’s a pitcher like Josh Hader facing a lefty where the odds of a strikeout are high?
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Then I'd be thinking the hitter has his timing down if he just rocked one to the OF, over the head of the defense.
 
RoyMunson said:
Not sure you give up the run even in the first.

I'm sure there would be analytics on this given the pitcher, ump, batter, etc, but with 2 strikes, I'd say that statistics would normally favor the pitcher in the scenario of letting it drop even in the first. You'll give up 0 runs that at bat a higher percentage of time than you'll have a guy botch a tag up.
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So you would take no outs instead of a guaranteed out and with a good throw to second still keep the force intact and runner out of scoring position? Not sure any analytics say that's a good idea in the 1st. Like I said earlier, just as likely to get a single that scores a run and keeps runners at 1st and 3rd and 1 out.
 
fordman84 said:
Then I'd be thinking the hitter has his timing down if he just rocked one to the OF, over the head of the defense.
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Or he was late on the fastball and has no chance against the wipeout slider coming next
 
fordman84 said:
So you would take no outs instead of a guaranteed out and with a good throw to second still keep the force intact and runner out of scoring position? Not sure any analytics say that's a good idea in the 1st. Like I said earlier, just as likely to get a single that scores a run and keeps runners at 1st and 3rd and 1 out.
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Not really. Getting a hit one of 3 ABs might get you a batting title, still far more likely to make an out
 
fordman84 said:
So you would take no outs instead of a guaranteed out and with a good throw to second still keep the force intact and runner out of scoring position? Not sure any analytics say that's a good idea in the 1st. Like I said earlier, just as likely to get a single that scores a run and keeps runners at 1st and 3rd and 1 out.
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it absolutely is not just as likely that a guy hits a 2-2 single(or more) to score the run.

I trust my pitcher even in the first.

Don't trade outs for runs on a foul ball.
 
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