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From several sources, it seems that the SEC v. All Y'all CFP expansion idea is still alive, but in Limbo. Basically, the SEC has worked up an idea where they would run their own 4 or 8 team playoff to conclude the season, with their champion willing to play the winner of the rest of the world. Sankey said he wasn't trying to use this as leverage - he was - but that reality dictated that the SEC have something ready to go. He said there literally is no CFP plan for Jan 2026. Basically, you have 3 years - Jan 2023, 24 and 25, and then nothing. He said that these things take time to resolve and get contracts signed with broadcasters and locations for games. He said the rest of CFB could sit around with their thumbs up their asses, but the SEC wasn't. If no one else wanted to get moving the SEC would have it's CFP ready to go in time for Jan 2026, and fuck everyone else. Ok, I paraphrased a few things there.

Sankey is saying, look, we had this great idea that everyone was behind. Everyone knows we will get there. 12 will be the number, we all know it. But some of you guys threw a temper tantrum. Well, we are adults over here in SEC land, and we will be prepared for 2026 even if you won't be. Drag your heels all you want ... ESPN will pay us a ton, that we don't have to split with 9 other conferences, to have a year end CFP if you don't get your shit together. I'd rather have a CFP with all y'all, but if you don't think we aren't having a playoff of some type in 2026, you are nuts.

I start by saying that I personally hope this doesn't happen. I've advocated here for more parity, and for the blue bloods to get good again, even when that is against my own best interests. I think CFB is best when you have a lot of good teams.

That said, The Alliance screwed the pooch in pulling back on CFP expansion simply because they were pissed at the SEC for doing exactly what they would have done had OU and TX approached them. They abandoned an idea that most CFB fans and schools were behind, and they lost billions of dollars. All the objections - even the stupid Rose Bowl objection - could have been worked through.

From these meetings it appears that the SEC has hardened its stance as follows:

- They will do 8 teams with no AQs, or 12 teams with AQs. They don't care if it is 5+1, or top 6 conferences, although they threw some shade at the B1G which stupidly is the conference that seems to be insisting on 5+1 when there is very little chance that they would ever not be in the top 6 conferences. The SEC might say that they will stay at 4, but really the money dictates expansion.

- An interesting note in The Athletic indicated that the idea of the top 4 conference champs getting the 4 byes is off the table. The SEC won't agree to that ... the byes will now go to the top 4 teams as determined by the committee. For example, this past year UGA would not have gotten a byte, and Baylor would have. Per the SEC, UGA and Bama would get byes.

From The Athletic:

Ultimately, the Big Ten and SEC will have to find enough common ground. And that likely will be with a 12-team playoff that includes six automatic qualifying spots. Whether five of those spots are guaranteed to certain leagues will be up for debate. A requirement that the four top seeds — the ones getting byes to the quarterfinals — must be conference champs sounds like a possibility the ACC, Big Ten and Pac-12 might have unwittingly traded away by stalling.

The opinions of the Big Ten and the SEC will be the only ones that truly matter this time. To switch to a new format with the original CFP deal required a unanimous vote. There is no such requirement this time because there is no contract, no framework, no anything.
 
How about just have a B1G/SEC only playoff.
 
So, will it be the PAC/BIG in the Rose Bowl and everyone else in a CFP or what?
 
I'm in favor of the SEC doing whatever is in its own best interests. I'll always support the best teams/conferences looking out for themselves even if OU ends up getting its ass banged in the playoff like a screen door in a hurricane.
 
So, will it be the PAC/BIG in the Rose Bowl and everyone else in a CFP or what?
I think it will end up being the 10 conferences. The SEC is just letting everyone know that if they continue to drag their heels, the SEC ain't doing that. If, by the end of the year, the other conferences aren't seriously moving, the SEC and ESPN will get started on their own deal. No way they are not going to have something in place by 2026.
 
I think it will end up being the 10 conferences. The SEC is just letting everyone know that if they continue to drag their heels, the SEC ain't doing that. If, by the end of the year, the other conferences aren't seriously moving, the SEC and ESPN will get started on their own deal. No way they are not going to have something in place by 2026.
Who knows what things will look like after NIL and the portal settle in….if they ever settle in.
 
Everyone wants the same thing.. even the BiG commish knows that the 12 school playoff is where it's at. He too also wasn't a fan of the AQ, rather have an AQ for the highest ranking school from each conference, not necessarily the conference champion.
 
Everyone wants the same thing.. even the BiG commish knows that the 12 school playoff is where it's at. He too also wasn't a fan of the AQ, rather have an AQ for the highest ranking school from each conference, not necessarily the conference champion.
I've never seen that attributed to him and it makes no sense. The whole idea behind AQ is that you have a path to get to the CFP. Let's say that UGA plays tOSU and Clemson in one year - we do - and we lose both games. Then we run out the SEC and win the SECCG against an undefeated Bama. You now have a 2 loss UGA, and 1 loss Bama. Bama is probably ranked higher. Sorry, the AQ goes to UGA who won the conference. Giving it to Bama makes zero sense for AQ purposes.
 
I've never seen that attributed to him and it makes no sense. The whole idea behind AQ is that you have a path to get to the CFP. Let's say that UGA plays tOSU and Clemson in one year - we do - and we lose both games. Then we run out the SEC and win the SECCG against an undefeated Bama. You now have a 2 loss UGA, and 1 loss Bama. Bama is probably ranked higher. Sorry, the AQ goes to UGA who won the conference. Giving it to Bama makes zero sense for AQ purposes.
they were protecting themselves in case a huge upset happened where you could have a 3 loss school being in just because they were conference champions
 
they were protecting themselves in case a huge upset happened where you could have a 3 loss school being in just because they were conference champions
That's going to be done now by getting rid of divisions. A 3 loss school won't be the 2nd best team in the entire league. In the B1G, we'll get more East teams playing each other than West teams. The idea of a 3-loss team was also taken care of by taking the 6 best conference champs ... in that case, the B1G's champ wouldn't get in, but the team they beat would likely be in as an at-large team. So, if the B1G was arguing for 5+1 AQs, they were arguing against their own best interests. Go with 6 best AQs and their best teams would get in as the at larges, and a space wouldn't be wasted by their 3-loss Conf Champ.
 
From several sources, it seems that the SEC v. All Y'all CFP expansion idea is still alive, but in Limbo. Basically, the SEC has worked up an idea where they would run their own 4 or 8 team playoff to conclude the season, with their champion willing to play the winner of the rest of the world. Sankey said he wasn't trying to use this as leverage - he was - but that reality dictated that the SEC have something ready to go. He said there literally is no CFP plan for Jan 2026. Basically, you have 3 years - Jan 2023, 24 and 25, and then nothing. He said that these things take time to resolve and get contracts signed with broadcasters and locations for games. He said the rest of CFB could sit around with their thumbs up their asses, but the SEC wasn't. If no one else wanted to get moving the SEC would have it's CFP ready to go in time for Jan 2026, and fuck everyone else. Ok, I paraphrased a few things there.
You telling me we can get Bama while they're unrested and injured riddled by the Championship game??
Where do I sign?

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That's going to be done now by getting rid of divisions. A 3 loss school won't be the 2nd best team in the entire league. In the B1G, we'll get more East teams playing each other than West teams. The idea of a 3-loss team was also taken care of by taking the 6 best conference champs ... in that case, the B1G's champ wouldn't get in, but the team they beat would likely be in as an at-large team. So, if the B1G was arguing for 5+1 AQs, they were arguing against their own best interests. Go with 6 best AQs and their best teams would get in as the at larges, and a space wouldn't be wasted by their 3-loss Conf Champ.
yeah i think as long as they get rid of the divisions and actually pair up the CCGs well, there's no need for highest ranking school to get an AQ
 
yeah i think as long as they get rid of the divisions and actually pair up the CCGs well, there's no need for highest ranking school to get an AQ
I've never seen that mentioned and there is zero chance anyone else would agree to it. But, it's a moot point.
 
I've never seen that mentioned and there is zero chance anyone else would agree to it. But, it's a moot point.
it was the biggest argument before the UT/ou move was leaked
That was the biggest point of arguments. AQ for conference champions, SEC didn't want that.. BiG, Pac did
 
it was the biggest argument before the UT/ou move was leaked
That was the biggest point of arguments. AQ for conference champions, SEC didn't want that.. BiG, Pac did
I get the AQ argument and that was an issue. You know how closely I follow this. But I never heard the B1G say they wanted the AQ to be the highest ranked, not the conference champion. That makes zero sense for what AQs are supposed to do.

As for the SEC you have that wrong ... they were not against AQ, per se. Their position was 8 teams with no AQ, 12 teams with AQ. It's in the SEC's (and the B1G's, ironically enough) best interest for more at-large teams. The SEC favored AQ being the top 6 conference champs for the exact reason you brought up ... it eliminated the 3 loss conference champ. We all talked that there would have to be some conf champ AQ limitation to keep that from happening. The top 6 conference champs was a genius way to do it and the B1G quashed it.

Again, the SEC couldn't care less about AQs ... our champ will always be in. It was really the ACC and the PAC that cared the most.
 
I get the AQ argument and that was an issue. You know how closely I follow this. But I never heard the B1G say they wanted the AQ to be the highest ranked, not the conference champion. That makes zero sense for what AQs are supposed to do.

As for the SEC you have that wrong ... they were not against AQ, per se. Their position was 8 teams with no AQ, 12 teams with AQ. It's in the SEC's (and the B1G's, ironically enough) best interest for more at-large teams. The SEC favored AQ being the top 6 conference champs for the exact reason you brought up ... it eliminated the 3 loss conference champ. We all talked that there would have to be some conf champ AQ limitation to keep that from happening. The top 6 conference champs was a genius way to do it and the B1G quashed it.

Again, the SEC couldn't care less about AQs ... our champ will always be in. It was really the ACC and the PAC that cared the most.
no the BiG wanted AQ for conference champions.. SEC didn't want that think that was the 8 team proposal.. I know the SEC said they would be ok with that if it expanded to 12
 
no the BiG wanted AQ for conference champions.. SEC didn't want that think that was the 8 team proposal.. I know the SEC said they would be ok with that if it expanded to 12
Don't know how we keep missing here, because we pretty are much aligned on this. We don't disagree.

- The SEC wanted a maximum number of at-large teams. That makes sense for the SEC and the B1G as they will get more teams in. So, the SEC was ok with AQs so long as it was 12 teams. If it was 8 teams, they were against AQs as that would leave only 2 at-large which is fewer than there is now in the 4 team format.

- The B1G wanted AQs, on that we agree. But the B1G wanted 5+1, not best 6. That means they wanted the P5 champs to be in, and the G5 to get 1 spot. Everyone else wanted the top 6 ranked conference champs to get AQ status. This meant that a P5 might get left out, but it wasn't likely. It would never happen to the B1G, or very rarely. That was the hold up from the B1G. Hell, the PAC commissioner came out and said he didn't care if it was 5+1 or best 6.
 
I don't like AQ. It screams "I know we aren't as good as that other team but I won my conference so lemme in!". I like merit more than entitlement.
 
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