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I don't like AQ. It screams "I know we aren't as good as that other team but I won my conference so lemme in!". I like merit more than entitlement.
I agree, but (1) the PAC, ACC and the B12 need it and collectively it is a good thing for the overall health of the sport, and (2) knowing that you have a path in conference, allows teams to schedule better OOC. Let's hope it helps with parity.
 
I agree, but (1) the PAC, ACC and the B12 need it and collectively it is a good thing for the overall health of the sport, and (2) knowing that you have a path in conference, allows teams to schedule better OOC. Let's hope it helps with parity.
I respect your point and it's likely true as can be........BUT when it comes times to give raises, promote people and crown champions I have one helluva hard time factoring in anything but merit. I have been accused of being a bit Old School in some of my thinking but I've always had good feedback from our employees about everyone knowing everything was done as fairly as possible when it comes to $$$ and moving up in our organization. Of course we have situations where we give people the benefit of the doubt and I'm sure it's occasionally meant rewarding someone for an effort that barely made the cut but even then we don't just give stuff away. Frankly, I've seen enough of teams (looking at you, Oklahoma) who squeaked into the playoff and then got their ass handed to them and the only reason they made the playoff was that "data point" of winning their conference in addition to having a gaudy record. If the CFP is heavy with one conference or another I'm fine with it so long as I feel the participants are the cream of the crop. F any conference that whines about being left out. They need to get better and go do what the better teams are doing. Parity should be earned, not doled out like participation trophies. /rant off
 
I respect your point and it's likely true as can be........BUT when it comes times to give raises, promote people and crown champions I have one helluva hard time factoring in anything but merit. I have been accused of being a bit Old School in some of my thinking but I've always had good feedback from our employees about everyone knowing everything was done as fairly as possible when it comes to $$$ and moving up in our organization. Of course we have situations where we give people the benefit of the doubt and I'm sure it's occasionally meant rewarding someone for an effort that barely made the cut but even then we don't just give stuff away. Frankly, I've seen enough of teams (looking at you, Oklahoma) who squeaked into the playoff and then got their ass handed to them and the only reason they made the playoff was that "data point" of winning their conference in addition to having a gaudy record. If the CFP is heavy with one conference or another I'm fine with it so long as I feel the participants are the cream of the crop. F any conference that whines about being left out. They need to get better and go do what the better teams are doing. Parity should be earned, not doled out like participation trophies. /rant off
I get you ... it's a socialistic type thing ... hopefully the PAC and ACC get in a few years and they get better teams and they earn it.

The other reason to do it is that we have 132 teams and not enough cross conference play to be sure that certain teams are in fact better than others. This will tell us.
 
I think it will end up being the 10 conferences. The SEC is just letting everyone know that if they continue to drag their heels, the SEC ain't doing that. If, by the end of the year, the other conferences aren't seriously moving, the SEC and ESPN will get started on their own deal. No way they are not going to have something in place by 2026.

To be fair, the formerly Big12 and some of the other minor conferences are totally behind the playoff. The only leagues not behind it are B1G, ACC, and Pac12.

SEC could still get a majority of CFB to sign up. Just throw a bone to the NEW formerly Big12 league and they would sign up even if they only get one spot. Also offer perhaps a spot to MWC and American. Screw B1G, get the other teams.
 
I start by saying that I personally hope this doesn't happen. I've advocated here for more parity, and for the blue bloods to get good again, even when that is against my own best interests. I think CFB is best when you have a lot of good teams.

wanting parity and for the blue bloods to get good again is a contradiction. when people say Pac needs USC back and BigXII needed Texas to get back is a slap to what Oregon, Stanford, Washington and Utah, to Baylor and Oklahoma State

thats the problem with talking heads they say they want Parity but always say college football is better when X team is good, Notre Dame, Texas, USC whoever. most of them would 100% be fine with USC, Oklahoma, Alabama, Ohio State every year.
 
I respect your point and it's likely true as can be........BUT when it comes times to give raises, promote people and crown champions I have one helluva hard time factoring in anything but merit. I have been accused of being a bit Old School in some of my thinking but I've always had good feedback from our employees about everyone knowing everything was done as fairly as possible when it comes to $$$ and moving up in our organization. Of course we have situations where we give people the benefit of the doubt and I'm sure it's occasionally meant rewarding someone for an effort that barely made the cut but even then we don't just give stuff away. Frankly, I've seen enough of teams (looking at you, Oklahoma) who squeaked into the playoff and then got their ass handed to them and the only reason they made the playoff was that "data point" of winning their conference in addition to having a gaudy record. If the CFP is heavy with one conference or another I'm fine with it so long as I feel the participants are the cream of the crop. F any conference that whines about being left out. They need to get better and go do what the better teams are doing. Parity should be earned, not doled out like participation trophies. /rant off
I'm old school too. (Shut up all of ya with the old fart jokes.) I'm so old school that I remember that only one school per district made the playoffs in any sport. Now we're taking up to FOUR! Everybody gets a trophy...and a lot of driftwood in the playoff river because of it.

But, you've got to fill the other spots with someone. There are probably several teams that were similar to Oklahoma those years to replace them. But, I doubt very seriously they were any better and would have had their asses handed to them as well. The only way to avoid those is to reduce the number of playoff teams...not increase them.
 
I'm old school too. (Shut up all of ya with the old fart jokes.) I'm so old school that I remember that only one school per district made the playoffs in any sport. Now we're taking up to FOUR! Everybody gets a trophy...and a lot of driftwood in the playoff river because of it.

But, you've got to fill the other spots with someone. There are probably several teams that were similar to Oklahoma those years to replace them. But, I doubt very seriously they were any better and would have had their asses handed to them as well. The only way to avoid those is to reduce the number of playoff teams...not increase them.
im 42 growing up everyone got a trophy given to us by the now 60-80 group that seems to be complaining about everyone getting a trophy
 
im 42 growing up everyone got a trophy given to us by the now 60-80 group that seems to be complaining about everyone getting a trophy
Twasn’t me doling out unmerited trwatds.
 
wanting parity and for the blue bloods to get good again is a contradiction. when people say Pac needs USC back and BigXII needed Texas to get back is a slap to what Oregon, Stanford, Washington and Utah, to Baylor and Oklahoma State

thats the problem with talking heads they say they want Parity but always say college football is better when X team is good, Notre Dame, Texas, USC whoever. most of them would 100% be fine with USC, Oklahoma, Alabama, Ohio State every year.
Not sure I understand your objection. I have no problem that Oregon and Utah are good. You'll have to remind me of when Washington and Stanford were good, or are good. Same with Baylor and OkSU. I am fine with all those teams being good, but at the end of the day CFB is better when the programs that have reached the top over the years - USC, UCLA, Miami, FSU, TX, UM, PSU, etc. - are good.

Parity means that I want more than 2 or 3 teams in a given year to be actually good enough to win the NC. Maybe it's never really been that way, and never will be.
 
Not sure I understand your objection. I have no problem that Oregon and Utah are good. You'll have to remind me of when Washington and Stanford were good, or are good. Same with Baylor and OkSU. I am fine with all those teams being good, but at the end of the day CFB is better when the programs that have reached the top over the years - USC, UCLA, Miami, FSU, TX, UM, PSU, etc. - are good.

Parity means that I want more than 2 or 3 teams in a given year to be actually good enough to win the NC. Maybe it's never really been that way, and never will be.
Washington 18 and 16 winning Pac 12 and 10 wins in 17
Stanford in 12, 13, 15 as well as 11 wins in 11, 10 wins in 16, winning the north in 17, 9 wins in 18.
Baylor winning the Big XII in 21, 14, 13 playing for it in 19.
ok state winning conference in 11, playing for the title in 21, ranked in 20, 10 wins in 17, 16, 15, 13
 
Washington 18 and 16 winning Pac 12 and 10 wins in 17
Stanford in 12, 13, 15 as well as 11 wins in 11, 10 wins in 16, winning the north in 17, 9 wins in 18.
Baylor winning the Big XII in 21, 14, 13 playing for it in 19.
ok state winning conference in 11, playing for the title in 21, ranked in 20, 10 wins in 17, 16, 15, 13


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Thoughts on this?

College football schedule: How the Power Five can streamline conference slates, form equity without divisions


IMHO there are some teams that don't really get a good deal every year. Two that stood out were Michigan State and Oklahoma State. Michigan State gets Indiana, Michigan and Rutgers every year. Oklahoma State gets Texas Tech and UCF annually. Those don't really move the needle for me if I'm a Sparty or Cowpoke fan. Again, JMO.

But, this may be the new reality of things.
 
Thoughts on this?

College football schedule: How the Power Five can streamline conference slates, form equity without divisions


IMHO there are some teams that don't really get a good deal every year. Two that stood out were Michigan State and Oklahoma State. Michigan State gets Indiana, Michigan and Rutgers every year. Oklahoma State gets Texas Tech and UCF annually. Those don't really move the needle for me if I'm a Sparty or Cowpoke fan. Again, JMO.

But, this may be the new reality of things.
have to see how UCF transitions first.
 
Thoughts on this?

College football schedule: How the Power Five can streamline conference slates, form equity without divisions


IMHO there are some teams that don't really get a good deal every year. Two that stood out were Michigan State and Oklahoma State. Michigan State gets Indiana, Michigan and Rutgers every year. Oklahoma State gets Texas Tech and UCF annually. Those don't really move the needle for me if I'm a Sparty or Cowpoke fan. Again, JMO.

But, this may be the new reality of things.
On all these 2-7/9, 3-6/9 plans, a lot of time is spent on the permanent teams. For me that's not the main thing they deliver if you ask me. Don't get me wrong, it's important to preserve the rivalries but equally important for at least the SEC is that we play each team at least every other year. Think about this ... ATM came into the SEC in 2012. We didn't play them at all until we hosted them 6 years later. Then we are having to wait another 6 years to finally go to College Station. That is absurd. Being able to play all teams at least every other year is just as important as who are permanent rivals.
 
On all these 2-7/9, 3-6/9 plans, a lot of time is spent on the permanent teams. For me that's not the main thing they deliver if you ask me. Don't get me wrong, it's important to preserve the rivalries but equally important for at least the SEC is that we play each team at least every other year. Think about this ... ATM came into the SEC in 2012. We didn't play them at all until we hosted them 6 years later. Then we are having to wait another 6 years to finally go to College Station. That is absurd. Being able to play all teams at least every other year is just as important as who are permanent rivals.
Doesn't look like it is "just as important" to me if they are allowing some and not others. If that is the case, why not just do away with all permanent rivals? Allowing some and not others is not "equitable" which is what many claim to be seeking.
 
Doesn't look like it is "just as important" to me if they are allowing some and not others. If that is the case, why not just do away with all permanent rivals? Allowing some and not others is not "equitable" which is what many claim to be seeking.
ESPN is investing a lot of dough into the SEC.. they want those rivalries in tact. Because let's face it, people still tune in even if one or both of the participants are having a down season
 
does the vote have to be unanimous for the change of schedule? Because I can think of a few teams that would want to stick to 8 conference games. Having 4 OOC games, guaranteeing 3 of them being home games would be hard to pass up for some schools.
 
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