To me Pete Rose is an easy fix, allow him in for what he did as a player (his records are still in the books anyway), but keep him banned from Baseball i.e he can't manage, consult be at games etc.
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Didn't know that. With that said, it is pretty clear that there is a relationship between Rose being banned from baseball and him not being eligible for the HOF.
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Shoeless Joe is an obvious Hall of Famer and he's been dead since 1951.
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Joe doesn’t have the big totals. He pretty well only played 9 seasons.
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Ty Cobb called him the best hitter in baseball. I'm sure he knew more than you'll ever know about the game.
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Has zero to do with anything I said
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Nearly everyone agreed to this already. But MLB doesn't want to ever celebrate Pete Rose and put one penny in his pocket. Not while he's alive at least, and probably for a good number of years after he's dead.
Meanwhile, MLB and HOF will continue to celebrate 'juiced ball' era meatheads and continue to forgive PED users.
the only hitter I'd say was better during Jackson's career was Cobb and maybe Speaker, unless you count Ruth and Hornsby. But Ruth only had two full seasons as a position player during Jackson's career and Hornsby's best years came after 1920.
Yeah Shoeless had a very brief career, but he still managed over 60 WAR despite having only 5694 PA. He finished in the top 10 in WAR eight times and had nine seasons in the top 10 in OPS+ (all top 5 finishes). I think his career is HOF worthy, especially if short career guys like Kiner are in.
of course, there's the whole Black Sox thing...
Yeah Shoeless had a very brief career, but he still managed over 60 WAR despite having only 5694 PA. He finished in the top 10 in WAR eight times and had nine seasons in the top 10 in OPS+ (all top 5 finishes). I think his career is HOF worthy, especially if short career guys like Kiner are in.
of course, there's the whole Black Sox thing...
Imagine a world where you knew the game of baseball beyond your queer little stat sheet?
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Imagine a world where you weren’t such a faggy cunt.
Aww, you hurt me with your words, Cletus. Stick to commenting about shitty, low rent moonshine and leave the baseball talk to folks that have played and coached baseball.
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I’m ready to hear about Rec League in Ballground Georgia. Anytime Chewy wants to talk about it.
I’d also like to hear if anyone thinks Eddie Cicotte has a HOF worthy resume. Don’t really think Jackson’s case is debatable. He was great. He just, you know, took money in exchange for intentionally not winning a World Series. No big deal.
I’d also like to hear if anyone thinks Eddie Cicotte has a HOF worthy resume. Don’t really think Jackson’s case is debatable. He was great. He just, you know, took money in exchange for intentionally not winning a World Series. No big deal.
He'd have better totals if he hadn't gotten booted from the league for throwing the World Series.
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In a roundabout way it does. The Hall voted to ban from induction all players on the permanently ineligible list of MLB. That list is controlled by the Commissioner's office.
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I know. The counting stats aren’t there though. Him getting booted while still playing at a high level hurts his case. Rose has a better chance of making the HOF after he dies than Joe because Rose is the hit king
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Rex, you have literally never made a valid point about baseball. This lack of self awareness is just pure cringe.
I’m well aware of your lack of mental capacity and it’s highly likely you misunderstood the comment you originally quoted
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As sports betting grows more and more, the Pete Rose precedent becomes more and more dangerous. As it moves into the mainstream there is more of an opportunity for players/managers/owners to stray dangerously close to betting on baseball.
MLB would be wise to overturn it now before they end up having to either break the "if you are tied to gambling on baseball in any way you are banned from anything baseball for life" because some key figures get tripped up.
MLB would be wise to overturn it now before they end up having to either break the "if you are tied to gambling on baseball in any way you are banned from anything baseball for life" because some key figures get tripped up.
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I don’t believe he is banned from the Hall. He served his entire sentence.
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