Sizing up the Power Conferences

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I'm counting the Power Conference as the P5 + Big East + Gonzaga + BYU. Here is some data that I compiled for OOC purposes as we head into Feast Week:

Big 12 OOC Record: 35-4 | 89.74%
P5 + Big East + Gonzaga + BYU Record: 6-2
Non P5 losses: Oakland(Oklahoma State) and Utah State(Oklahoma)

Big East OOC Record: 39-7 | 84.80%
P5 Record: 8-4
Non P5 losses: St. Bonaventure(Marquette), Colorado State(Creighton), Dartmouth(Georgetown)

SEC OOC Record: 45-9 | 83.33%
P5 Record: 2-4
Non P5 losses: UMKC(Missouri), VCU(Vanderbilt), Princeton(South Carolina), Boise State(Ole Miss), Cincinnati(UGA)

B1G OOC Record: 46-11 | 80.70%
P5 Record: 4-8
Non P5 losses: George Mason(Maryland), UMass(Penn State), Western Illinois(Nebraska)

ACC OOC Record: 48-17 | 73.95%
P5 Record: 2-7
Non P5 losses: Citadel(Pittsburgh), Navy(UVA), Houston(UVA), URI(x2)(Boston College(x2), Colgate(Syracuse), St. Bonaventure(Clemson), UCF(Miami), Furman(Louisville), Miami(Oh)(Georgia Tech)

Pac 12 OOC Record: 37-14 | 72.55%
P5 Record: 3-3
Non P5 losses: Southern Illinois(Colorado), Santa Clara(Stanford), UC Riverside(ASU), SDSU(ASU), UC-San Diego(Cal), UNLV(Cal), Northern Illinois(Washington), Wyoming(Washington), Tulsa(Oregon State), Samford(Oregon State), Princeton(Oregon State)

I'd say as of now the Big East has performed the best OOC, given all the good wins, and really only 1 bad loss by the conference thus far. Big 12 hasn't played many P5 teams yet, so we'll see what they are made of during Feast Week. If the B1G/ACC Challenge is lopsided one way or another for either conference, that is a really bad look for said conference. Both have looked vulnerable throughout the season thus far. Bottom of P12 has taken on some awful losses. The top has played very good though.
 
ACC seems really bad. Adding yankee teams has ruined the ACC's brand and now northeastern mediocrity is starting to rub off on the god fearing, BBQ eatin', tobacco spittin' southern schools

really hard for me to digest + watch
 
Hitman Hart said:
ACC seems really bad. Adding yankee teams has ruined the ACC's brand and now northeastern mediocrity is starting to rub off on the god fearing, BBQ eatin', tobacco spittin' southern schools

really hard for me to digest + watch
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Pitt, BC and Cuse have all significantly declined as programs since joining the ACC. Cuse has had some good tournament runs since joining the ACC, but they've only been a single digit seed one time, and that was year 1. They've had 7 seasons of 10+ losses since joining the ACC and only had 12 such seasons in Boeheim's previous 37 seasons. Pitt and BC have been perennial bottom feeders. Ironically the one program that wasn't good in bball but has since been a decent program is VT. Especially the last 5/6 years.
 
Thanks for posting ericd.

If BE hadn't shit the bed yesterday, they'd basically be set regardless of rest of OOC. All winnable games, but...

Would like to see three more wins against ranked opponents, regardless of who gets them. It won't be St Johns beating Kansas.
 
ericd7633 said:
Pitt, BC and Cuse have all significantly declined as programs since joining the ACC. Cuse has had some good tournament runs since joining the ACC, but they've only been a single digit seed one time, and that was year 1. They've had 7 seasons of 10+ losses since joining the ACC and only had 12 such seasons in Boeheim's previous 37 seasons. Pitt and BC have been perennial bottom feeders. Ironically the one program that wasn't good in bball but has since been a decent program is VT. Especially the last 5/6 years.
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Miami, too. They had their best years as a basketball program in the ACC.

The two schools that fit the ACC traditional footprint have done well, while everyone else has been shitty (relative to their standards)

something that should be noted is that Wake + GT both fell off from where they had been in the 90s and 00s after the ACC expanded
 
Hitman Hart said:
Miami, too. They had their best years as a basketball program in the ACC.

The two schools that fit the ACC traditional footprint have done well, while everyone else has been shitty (relative to their standards)

something that should be noted is that Wake + GT both fell off from where they had been in the 90s and 00s after the ACC expanded
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Don't forget about L'ville bringing their Pitino pussy parties to Greensboro.
 
The P12 is down to winning 64.10% of their OOC games. For reference the Mtn West, WCC and AAC all have better winning percentages. I'll be curious to see where all the teams stack up in the NET Rankings when they are released on Monday.
 
ericd7633 said:
The P12 is down to winning 64.10% of their OOC games. For reference the Mtn West, WCC and AAC all have better winning percentages. I'll be curious to see where all the teams stack up in the NET Rankings when they are released on Monday.
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you need to stop bullying the Pac 12

The ACC is the worst it has ever been and we were told that adding the former BE teams would take the ACC to heights it has never seen before. They have done the opposite. The ACC is at its lowest point as a conference. I hope Jim Boeheim gets arrested
 
Hitman Hart said:
you need to stop bullying the Pac 12

The ACC is the worst it has ever been and we were told that adding the former BE teams would take the ACC to heights it has never seen before. They have done the opposite. The ACC is at its lowest point as a conference. I hope Jim Boeheim gets arrested
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The ACC is pretty bad again this year. It's looking like a 4 bid league. Those Big East schools haven't added much.
 
Hitman Hart said:
3 bid league

Duke, VT, Deacs
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i was being somewhat sarcastic w/ Deacs b/c gun to my head i say they are an NIT team

but tbh, this isn't an unrealistic scenario so why are you LAUGHING @ericd7633 ?!!?!?!

if i'm forgetting an obvious lock then i blame expansion. Way too many teams to follow
 
Hitman Hart said:
i was being somewhat sarcastic w/ Deacs b/c gun to my head i say they are an NIT team

but tbh, this isn't an unrealistic scenario so why are you LAUGHING @ericd7633 ?!!?!?!

if i'm forgetting an obvious lock then i blame expansion. Way too many teams to follow
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My guess is Wake is an NIT team as well, but who the hell really knows. They haven't taken on a bad loss yet, like a lot of projected tournament teams have. Just need some good wins along the way.
 
ericd7633 said:
The ACC is pretty bad again this year. It's looking like a 4 bid league. Those Big East schools haven't added much.
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Everybody looks bad at some time in November. That's why we play school of the blind and Our Lady of the Shithole.
 
Hitman Hart said:
you need to stop bullying the Pac 12

The ACC is the worst it has ever been and we were told that adding the former BE teams would take the ACC to heights it has never seen before. They have done the opposite. The ACC is at its lowest point as a conference. I hope Jim Boeheim gets arrested
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He's out killing pedestrians at any given moment.
 
I didn't realize how dire things could get for the ACC, but I just looked at UNC's predicted results:

21-10(13-7 in ACC). On the surface that should have them as a lock to get in right? The only problem is they they'd be 0-9 against Q1 teams, and a combined 1-10 against Q1 and Q2 competition. Teams like UNC, VT, UVA, UL are going to need to get to 15/16 wins in conference to feel safe, IMO and it's crazy that's the case.
 
ericd7633 said:
I didn't realize how dire things could get for the ACC, but I just looked at UNC's predicted results:

21-10(13-7 in ACC). On the surface that should have them as a lock to get in right? The only problem is they they'd be 0-9 against Q1 teams, and a combined 1-10 against Q1 and Q2 competition. Teams like UNC, VT, UVA, UL are going to need to get to 15/16 wins in conference to feel safe, IMO and it's crazy that's the case
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UNC looked outmatched against Tennessee and Kentucky. While Purdue didn't dominate them, I never thought UNC had a realistic chance in that game.

I like seeing the Big four do well in hoops, b/c it makes college basketball season really fun for me. I'll continue to say this until he proves me wrong, but UNC made a big mistake hiring Hubert.
 
ericd7633 said:
I didn't realize how dire things could get for the ACC, but I just looked at UNC's predicted results:

21-10(13-7 in ACC). On the surface that should have them as a lock to get in right? The only problem is they they'd be 0-9 against Q1 teams, and a combined 1-10 against Q1 and Q2 competition. Teams like UNC, VT, UVA, UL are going to need to get to 15/16 wins in conference to feel safe, IMO and it's crazy that's the case.
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If Duke runs away and things get really nuts with the rest of the league, I can see as few as 2 bids. Which would be insane. I think at the end of the day it will be 4+ though.
 
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