So NIL wasn't enough?

[ELTEXAN]

without oversight? You know coaches exist, right?

Yes. But they don’t step in and take the last leg of the play to completion.
Keep playing your unintelligent word games. No one is listening.
The players make the plays.
The intern at the oil company gets all his work signed off on by the actual engineer who is responsible for the work.

Again, you’re either not smart enough to understand at this point, or you’re a troll knowingly being sophistic.

The players are the principals in this industry.

They are not interns.

 

[ELTEXAN]

without oversight? You know coaches exist, right?

In this analogy, stretches as it is, the coaches are the interns making the suggestions, and the players are responsible for and actually do the work.

The intern engineer comes up with some ideas, and the actual engineer is responsible for the work and for executing it.

You literally have this backwards because you’re not smart enough to make a simple analogy.

 

[Knight&Day]

I wouldn’t mind being an “indentured servant”. Actually sounds kinda fun.

Where do I sign up?

 

[fordman84]

In this analogy, stretches as it is, the coaches are the interns making the suggestions, and the players are responsible for and actually do the work.

The intern engineer comes up with some ideas, and the actual engineer is responsible for the work and for executing it.

You literally have this backwards because you’re not smart enough to make a simple analogy.

Nothing says "I have no idea what bullshit I'm spewing" as constantly editing and then responding to the same post again. #unhinged

 

[fordman84]

I wouldn’t mind being an “indentured servant”. Actually sounds kinda fun.

Where do I sign up?

apparently to the cheer jersey fheg any place you work and aren't paid what you, or he, feels is a fair price makes you an indentured servant.

 

[Rolltide94]

Those people aren’t doing the principal work without oversight. Plus, we have extremely good reasons to make doctors have oversight for years… peoples lives are at stake. Oh, and those docs still get paid. Your comparison is bunk.
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The only person’s life at stake when Chris simms throws a pass is a wide receiver who Simms underthrows across the middle toward a strong safety.

Tell me you've never worked as an engineer without telling me you've never worked as an engineer. Much like freshmen, who don't start, engineers right out of school do very little work. Guys in their 4th year, are doing in many cases the exact same thing as the engineers, minus being able to stamp their own work.

Residents get paid a fraction of what they will make as a doctor, just as football players do, but perform their duties with little supervision.

Electrical and Plumbing apprentices, by the time they are "Sophomores" and "Juniors", are doing the exact same work as licensed plumbers and electricians, minus being able to sign off on their own work.

 

[ELTEXAN]

Tell me you've never worked as an engineer without telling me you've never worked as an engineer. Much like freshmen, who don't start, engineers right out of school do very little work. Guys in their 4th year, are doing in many cases the exact same thing as the engineers, minus being able to stamp their own work.

Residents get paid a fraction of what they will make as a doctor, just as football players do, but perform their duties with little supervision.

Electrical and Plumbing apprentices, by the time they are "Sophomores" and "Juniors", are doing the exact same work as licensed plumbers and electricians, minus being able to sign off on their own work.

You are literally making my point for me. The residents have oversight who are responsible , and for good reasons: ppl can die. .
CFB players are the principals that do the work that everyone is counting on and have no oversight in the field because lives and falling bridges aren’t on the line.
Everyone comes to see the plays the players make. They don’t come to look at a coach talk into his headset.
In this analogy, the coaches are the interns writing plays that others have to execute and are responsible for making.

Tattoo this: the players are not interns. They are the principals doing THE thing in the industry that everyone is making tv deals for, buying tickets for, buying jerseys of…

Y’all can’t be this dumb.

Do you need to be given examples… are baseball players interns? Can we limit their pay and make them stay in dorms and keep them from making outside money? It’s ridiculous. Soccer players? Basketball players?

It’s only because cfb ‘internship’ was the status quo, y’all argue fir it.

Wtf

 

[Rolltide94]

You are literally making my point for me. The residents have oversight who are responsible , and for good reasons: ppl can die. .
CFB players are the principals that do the work that everyone is counting on and have no oversight in the field because lives and falling bridges aren’t on the line.
Everyone comes to see the plays the players make. They don’t come to look at a coach talk into his headset.
In this analogy, the coaches are the interns writing plays that others have to execute and are responsible for making.

Tattoo this: the players are not interns. They are the principals doing THE thing in the industry that everyone is making tv deals for, buying tickets for, buying jerseys of…

Y’all can’t be this dumb.

Do you need to be given examples… are baseball players interns? Can we limit their pay and make them stay in dorms and keep them from making outside money? It’s ridiculous. Soccer players? Basketball players?

It’s only because cfb ‘internship’ was the status quo, y’all argue fir it.

Wtf

Jesus Christ, I don't know even know where to begin with this word salad. I knew you were dumb before, but this deserves it own thread right up there with your retard level take on tackling.

Residents can and do make life-changing decisions every day. Surgical residents could literally end your life in minutes if they fuck up and they get way less supervision than your average D-lineman.

Are we really pretending there aren't college baseball players? or soccer players?

College hockey would actually be a good example. Junior Hockey and College Hockey exist in the same space. It's a more European model, where college athletics is not a big deal. Junior Hockey is usually the backup plan for kids that want to play pro but can't get a college scholarship. Nobody is getting rich in either.

I'm not opposed to players making money in college, or getting a share of the revenue, but no player is worth $8 million. Honestly, I would prefer a model where everyone benefits equally.

 

[Rolltide94]

In this analogy, stretches as it is, the coaches are the interns making the suggestions, and the players are responsible for and actually do the work.

The intern engineer comes up with some ideas, and the actual engineer is responsible for the work and for executing it.

You literally have this backwards because you’re not smart enough to make a simple analogy.

LOL, that last sentence is so rich, I got a food baby just reading it.

You're a fucking moron, 4th year engineering interns in most fields don't come up with ideas? What the fuck even is that? They execute jobs, whether it be testing, soil samples, design, drawings, whatever. Maybe a licensed engineer signs off on the plans or whatever, but they don't actually do the work. You can pretty much guarantee the person doing the least amount of hands-on work on a particular job is the engineer. which I feel comfortable saying as an engineer.

I've got to ask, what actually do you do? because I can fucking goddamn guarantee it isn't in a STEM field.

 

[outofyourmind]

 

[ELTEXAN]

LOL, that last sentence is so rich, I got a food baby just reading it.

You're a fucking moron, 4th year engineering interns in most fields don't come up with ideas? What the fuck even is that? They execute jobs, whether it be testing, soil samples, design, drawings, whatever. Maybe a licensed engineer signs off on the plans or whatever, but they don't actually do the work. You can pretty much guarantee the person doing the least amount of hands-on work on a particular job is the engineer. which I feel comfortable saying as an engineer.

I've got to ask, what actually do you do? because I can fucking goddamn guarantee it isn't in a STEM field.

Who said they don’t come up with ideas. I literally said they do , and that someone else has to sign off. You’re arguing my point. Fuck your dumb

 

[Rolltide94]

Who said they don’t come up with ideas. I literally said they do , and that someone else has to sign off. You’re arguing my point. Fuck your dumb

I said they don't dipshit...because they don't. Free thinking is not something encouraged among junior engineering interns. They are worker bees there to do the bidding of their masters...and the bidding is to do the work, so I don't have to. Free thinking also shouldn't be encouraged amongst cheer jersey-wearing Texas fans either apparently, because the results are fucking dismal.

 

[ELTEXAN]

I said they don't dipshit...because they don't. Free thinking is not something encouraged among junior engineering interns. They are worker bees there to do the bidding of their masters...and the bidding is to do the work, so I don't have to. Free thinking also shouldn't be encouraged amongst cheer jersey-wearing Texas fans either apparently, because the results are fucking dismal.

Oh good you’re just talking in circles.

Cfb is a multi billion dollar industry, Timmy
The players are the principals in that industry, Timmy.
The ncaa is a monopsony that colluded fo disenfranchise them from earnings both within and even without the sport, Timmy.

All while the principals put their labor sweat blood bones bodies and efforts to principally make that multi billion dollar sport.

There is only one mode of labor relation that most accurately describes that system. Can you guess the term for it, Timmy?

It’s indentured servitude.

It’s unamerican, immoral, anti-freedom, and wrong, Timmy.

Just because it’s the status quo, you and dunces argue on its behalf… when you wouldn’t accept it in any other industry.

Is it sinking through, Timmy?

 

[Goldbug]

Apparently some people don't understand that letting an athlete make $$$ isn't wrong so long as the obligations are a two-way street. He/She can get their money but it's not unreasonable to put a system in place that requires them to show some allegiance to their school, make their grades and stay out of trouble. Anything short of the head coach leaving should obligate someone to stick with a program after one mulligan. One. No more free agency BS. If the boosters want to spend a fortune buying players then let them. At the same time the coaches need to be held accountable for any hint of meddling.

 

[Rolltide94]

Oh good you’re just talking in circles.

Cfb is a multi billion dollar industry, Timmy
The players are the principals in that industry, Timmy.
The ncaa is a monopsony that colluded fo disenfranchise them from earnings both within and even without the sport, Timmy.

All while the principals put their labor sweat blood bones bodies and efforts to principally make that multi billion dollar sport.

There is only one mode of labor relation that most accurately describes that system. Can you guess the term for it, Timmy?

It’s indentured servitude.

It’s unamerican, immoral, anti-freedom, and wrong, Timmy.

Just because it’s the status quo, you and dunces argue on its behalf… when you wouldn’t accept it in any other industry.

Is it sinking through, Timmy?

The only thing sinking in Timmaayyy, is that you are a moron.

There are literally few forms of employment that are more American than indentured servitude. It is how the majority of Europeans came to this country and how most people learned a trade for hundreds of years. It rescued millions of Americans from a lifetime of servitutdse because it is by definition a short-term contract in exchange for a long-term tangible benefit. What was immoral was Irish land holders keeping their wards as serfs, breaking their backs, then discarding them. By its very nature, it is an instrument of freedom. It is why there are 5 times as many Irish in this country as there are in Ireland.

Indentured servitude is a voluntary contract in which something of value is given in exchange for labor, it is not, by itself, immoral, wrong, unamerican or anti-freedom, no matter how much you want to think it is. Was it a shitty existence for some of our ancestors, sure, but compared to what? Being worked to death as an actual slave in Ireland, or worse turned off your land to starve. Most retards like yourself are uniformed and only see the negative. I can assure you that most people who suffered through indentured servitude in this country preferred it to starving to death...which they were doing by the hundreds in their own country. Were there people that abused the system and treated them poorly...sure there were, just like there are people that treat their employees like shit today.

As I said, the players are only tangentially relevant to making the billions. If not, nobody would play dynasty mode in NCAA football, they would just get player updates every year. 4 years in every player is fake and it's just as, if not more fun than playing with the actual players....why? because people don't care as much about the individual players in college football, because they don't stay. The players are not the brand the schools are.

 

[Goldbug]

Can the Hoopla posters on here help me? I've done some research on how many people have wished they could play college sports and there seems to be a lot of them. But I can't seem to find even one instance where someone was forced to play college sports against their will and was not allowed to quit playing because of an overlord or a binding contract or a rule/regulation that prohibited them from leaving their team early (such as a person in the military being legally obligated to complete their tour of duty). From what I'm seeing on this thread, there must be thousands of these poor bastards who are being forced to play college sports for reasons I can't seem to identify. Links would be helpful.

 

[Thiefery]

A poster on IT posted some things he knows about the NIL and UT

-basically said that NIL isn't just an additional revenue source, it's either you do it or don't. The school is worried that it's alienating students/donors. They are also worried about committing more money to the football department for these changing times because of the threat of lawsuits by the other athletic depts due to Title IX

- Said that the good news however, is that they have been talking to Bama and FL about these issues and are all contemplating breaking away from the NCAA together in the near future.

I get breaking away from the NCAA.. There's much more money to be made with a CFP playoff (extended) and able to enforce rules unlike the NCAA. My only real concern is that for schools in the state of CA.. the bill that would require state universities to share 50% of the revenue to the players is real. How do state legislators separate school from school athletics?

 

[Goldbug]

A poster on IT posted some things he knows about the NIL and UT

-basically said that NIL isn't just an additional revenue source, it's either you do it or don't. The school is worried that it's alienating students/donors. They are also worried about committing more money to the football department for these changing times because of the threat of lawsuits by the other athletic depts due to Title IX

- Said that the good news however, is that they have been talking to Bama and FL about these issues and are all contemplating breaking away from the NCAA together in the near future.

I get breaking away from the NCAA.. There's much more money to be made with a CFP playoff (extended) and able to enforce rules unlike the NCAA. My only real concern is that for schools in the state of CA.. the bill that would require state universities to share 50% of the revenue to the players is real. How do state legislators separate school from school athletics?

Great universities like USC, Stanford, UCLA, etc. deserve better than to be stuck in that state. CA politics is toxic.

 

[ELTEXAN]

A poster on IT posted some things he knows about the NIL and UT

-basically said that NIL isn't just an additional revenue source, it's either you do it or don't. The school is worried that it's alienating students/donors. They are also worried about committing more money to the football department for these changing times because of the threat of lawsuits by the other athletic depts due to Title IX

- Said that the good news however, is that they have been talking to Bama and FL about these issues and are all contemplating breaking away from the NCAA together in the near future.

I get breaking away from the NCAA.. There's much more money to be made with a CFP playoff (extended) and able to enforce rules unlike the NCAA. My only real concern is that for schools in the state of CA.. the bill that would require state universities to share 50% of the revenue to the players is real. How do state legislators separate school from school athletics?

“CFBU”

1. Kill the ncaa. Start a new league, “COLLEGE FOOTBALL UNION.” 2. CFBU organizing 64 member schools into four 16-team divisions. 3. Each division plays a nine-game division schedule. 4. The division schedule is set up into a four-team-pods OR three-permanent-rivals scheme. 5. The two teams in...

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Minor League Football

In case you don’t see it, the writing is on the wall. what will the future of post-secondary school, pre-NFL football look like? Will whatever league(s) forms still be tied to colleges? What size will that league be? Will the NCAA still be involved? If not the NCAA, which entity(s) will step up...

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[ELTEXAN]

Can the Hoopla posters on here help me? I've done some research on how many people have wished they could play college sports and there seems to be a lot of them. But I can't seem to find even one instance where someone was forced to play college sports against their will and was not allowed to quit playing because of an overlord or a binding contract or a rule/regulation that prohibited them from leaving their team early (such as a person in the military being legally obligated to complete their tour of duty). From what I'm seeing on this thread, there must be thousands of these poor bastards who are being forced to play college sports for reasons I can't seem to identify. Links would be helpful.

Monopsonies and monopolies are cool in a multi billion dollar industry because no one forced you to participate. Such genius