So what is the latest news on the OU and Texas to SEC situation?

jesus christ you guys don't get it.. tier 1 and 2 is property of the big 12.. UT gives up it's tier 3 rights when they go to the SEC.. LHN is not going to the SEC, it's going dark. LHN was a channel that was guaranteed 300 mil, the 160 mil or whatever it is still going to UT.. and UT only. it's not part of the 3rd tier anymore since the SEC isn't going to absorb it.

y'all trash the network and say it only loses money but all of the sudden WANT to get a piece of it.. LOL.. hate to break it to y'all but SEC ain't touching the LHN monies.. now or in 2025 or in 2031

HA!!

You can be sure that part of the agreement for tejas to join the SEC nullifies the LHN contract regarding payout and content.

Agreement from both the SEC and ESPN.
 
I actually think the B12 will fit nicely in the lower 3 P5. With OU and TX to the SEC, they clearly won't be at the top level of SEC and B1G, but they won't be G5. They have too much going for them, especially in non-football sports, for them to be at G5 level.

With that said, they will be as relevant in football as the ACC and PAC are.

I am definitely in agreement with your post at the present. However, on paper, the ACC and Pac12 should be a lot better than the Big12 eventually.

ACC is in an odd spot because they have teams that can draw eyeballs: Clemson, FSU, Miami, North Carolina, North Carolina State, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia Tech but it just hasn't transpired very well. Of the teams that I just listed, it is hard to find a Big12 team that actually has the tradition or fanbase to match any of these programs.

Pac12 is in same boat with programs such as Cal, Colorado, Oregon, UCLA, USC, and Washington.

I do think these leagues have their dead weights like all of the leagues (Washington State, Oregon State, Wake Forest, etc.).

I am not sure if these leagues are truly in decline or if this is just an aberration.

The ACC has always been the greatest headscratcher to me because I remember when they expanded in 2001-2002 timeframe, people expected the ACC to overtake all of the other CFB Conferences including the SEC (yes, this was a discussion point back then). You had the league that now had Florida State and Miami who were, at that time, two perennial super powers as well as had Virginia Tech (who was coming off the 1999 title game appearance), Boston College (who was regular ranked in the 1990s), Georgia Tech (who was more on par with UGA in the 1990s), Maryland (who had top 10 teams at the time), NC State, and Clemson (actually Clemson was seen as the weaker link back then).

I really think there was three coaching hires that perhaps changed the course of College Football. These hires are not paid much attention to but they are noteworthy:

1. Nick Saban to LSU
2. Mark Richt to Georgia
3. Tommy Tubberville to Auburn

In the 1990s, these three programs were not necessarily seen as national powers. The SEC was seen as the Florida-Tennessee show with sometimes Alabama making noise. These three hires really destroyed the FSU/Miami run (as well as killed Florida and Tennessee's run to a degree as well). The reason being, these three coaches started to take recruits away from these programs.

LSU emerged as a force in that era so the great players in Louisiana now started to go to LSU or SEC Schools instead of Miami, FSU, Oklahoma, Tennessee, etc.

Similar situation accrued with Georgia. Go back to Tennessee in the 1990s and look at the great players the Vols got out of Georgia. Mark Richt kept them in-house.

Auburn also started recruiting panhandle of Florida heavily with Tubberville hurting FSU.

This started the rise of the SEC and the decline of FSU and Miami.
 
LOL @ thinking ESPN is gonna pay out $135 million ($15 million x 9 yrs) remaining on the LHN contract, then pay tejas SEC Network revenue, SEC Network+ revenue, and ESPN+ revenue on top of it for the same content.
 
Bro. The SEC already has a LHN type agreement with ESPN.

It's called ESPN+

ESPN+ is guaranteed a donghorn game. Just like the LHN has.
ESPN+ is for "other" sports. Just like the LHN.

The SEC and ESPN is not gonna let the donghorns double (even triple) dip revenue for the same content.
no SEC has a deal with SEC ESPN channel who also shows stuff on espn plus

TEXAS has a deal with LHN through ESPN as well..(which you can't watch on espn plus since it doesn't include events on LHN)

CDC already said LHN is not following TEXAS into the SEC..

LHN contract with UT was for 20 years, which all were guaranteed no matter what. That's what LHN owes Texas.

When UT/ou move into the SEC they will get all the rights, including 3rd tier.. that 3rd tier does not include a defunct LHN network that will be off the air..

ESPN was desperate in 2011 in keeping UT away from Fox/Pac12.. In hindsight, they shouldn't have done it but they did. I'm sure they can write it off now that LHN will be off air soon enough.
 
LOL @ thinking ESPN is gonna pay out $135 million ($15 million x 9 yrs) remaining on the LHN contract, then pay tejas SEC Network revenue, SEC Network+ revenue, and ESPN+ revenue on top of it for the same content.
If the LHN is a dead horse it won’t have any content so it won’t be competing against anything else. It would just be a dry hole the investors were still obligated to pay for.
 
If the LHN is a dead horse it won’t have any content so it won’t be competing against anything else. It would just be a dry hole the investors were still obligated to pay for.
exactly, if ESPN wasn't so desperate back in 2011, it would have never been guaranteed. Even DeLoss Dodds said he couldn't believe how much they offered them, then told them it would be guaranteed for 20 years.

I just don't understand all the heartache some posters have.. UT already makes more than anyone else yet we still sucked on the field the past decade.. getting more money is going to fix all that all of the sudden?
 
Somebody show me official contract from SEC or ESPN regarding tejas keeping their LHN revenue and being allowed to double, triple, and even quadruple said revenue off of ESPN/SEC content that is exactly the same.

Hurry up now...
 
lol what are you getting this double dipping shit from? LHN was a separate deal.. like why do you keep saying double dipping for? My company was sold to another company last year.. they guaranteed my salary (and the rest of the coding dept) for the remainder of 2021.. I got my last 3 months of pay back in October, when the new company that took over started my new negotiated salary beginning in November.. is that double dipping too since i'm doing the same exact job with the same people for the most part? New job didn't say oh well since you already got your salary, we'll begin to pay you in January..
 
saw this on twitter.. yeah big12 is going to miss is for sure
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lol what are you getting this double dipping shit from? LHN was a separate deal.. like why do you keep saying double dipping for? My company was sold to another company last year.. they guaranteed my salary (and the rest of the coding dept) for the remainder of 2021.. I got my last 3 months of pay back in October, when the new company that took over started my new negotiated salary beginning in November.. is that double dipping too since i'm doing the same exact job with the same people for the most part? New job didn't say oh well since you already got your salary, we'll begin to pay you in January..

Under entirely different circumstances.

Do you have a copy of the tejas/ESPN contract showing that even if tejas leaves the Big 12 they're guaranteed the LHN revenue through 2031?

I didn't think so.

The SEC signed a contract with ESPN+ last year guaranteeing that ESPN+ will get to carry one SEC football game for each of the conference members.

ESPN+ is literally the LHN (content wise) for every school. a.k.a "tejas double dipping"
SEC Network+ will carry football games and other content for all SEC schools. a.k.a. "tejas triple dipping"
SEC Network will carry football games and other content for all SEC schools. a.k.a. "tejas quaruple dipping"

As I stated...
At best ESPN and SEC tell tejas they can keep the $15 million/yr LHN revenue, but they will forfeit additional revenue from the SEC Network, SEC Network+, and ESPN+.
 
saw this on twitter.. yeah big12 is going to miss is for sure
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Meh...

It's all relative.

The remaining Big 12 teams +4 won't be playing Oklahoma or tejas anymore. That's likely one less loss in whatever sport. Particularly Oklahoma in football. tejas not so much.

Water seeks it's own level.
 
Big 12 Football Championships since it's formation.

Oklahoma: 14 (2000, 2002, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020)

tejas: 3 (1996, 2005, 2009)
Baylor: 3 (2013, 2014, 2021)
K State: 2 (2003, 2012)
Nebraska: 2 (1997, 1999)
TCU: 1 (2014)
Okie jr: 1 (2011)
Texas A&M: 1 (1998)

Oklahoma is the only formidable competition factor that is leaving.

Since tejas' last Big 12 football championship in 2009....

Oklahoma: 8 championships
Baylor: 3 championships
K State: 1 championship
TCU: 1 championship
Okie jr: 1 championship
 
Just general college football fan interest in how those G5's stack up.

I'll definitely have a Cincy/Baylor or Cincy/Okie Jr in the rotation.

I'm not saying that interest will be maintained, but at least the first year or two.

Even if TX/OU were to leave in 2023 (they're not tho), the Big 12 ratings will increase with the addition of those schools. JMO
meh
i mean its only been a few years since BYU was 4-9 (2017)
Cinci was 4-8 in 16 and 17
houston 4-8 in 19
UCF was 0-12 in 15

Ok state has been more consistent only losing season under Gundy was year 1 in 05
Baylor 2-7 in 20 and 1-11 in 17

things fluctuate
remember when Iowa state fans were in here telling us they weren't gonna back slide and then they went 7-6?
 
which games, in conference, will be the bell and whistle to the new look Big12?

Cincy and Houston?
There won't be any.

Same could be said for the other conferences.... the B1G if Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State left. Or the PAC 12 if USC left. Or the ACC if Florida State and Clem left.

Yeah there could be some "decent" games such as Minnesota/Wisconsin, Oregon/Washington, UNC/Miami, etc but still not "bell and whistle" games. Even in state rivalry games like Washington/Wazzou, Indiana/Purdue and Virginia/Va Tech are really "bell and whistle" games on a national basis.
 
Oklahoma has been the only 'likely' loss for any remaining Big 12 teams +4

Therefore the remaining teams will have one less L in that column and likely to be higher ranked, better bowls, etc...

Oklahoma has been playing a P5 conference schedule, right?

RIGHT?
 
Under entirely different circumstances.

Do you have a copy of the tejas/ESPN contract showing that even if tejas leaves the Big 12 they're guaranteed the LHN revenue through 2031?

I didn't think so.

The SEC signed a contract with ESPN+ last year guaranteeing that ESPN+ will get to carry one SEC football game for each of the conference members.

ESPN+ is literally the LHN (content wise) for every school. a.k.a "tejas double dipping"
SEC Network+ will carry football games and other content for all SEC schools. a.k.a. "tejas triple dipping"
SEC Network will carry football games and other content for all SEC schools. a.k.a. "tejas quaruple dipping"

As I stated...
At best ESPN and SEC tell tejas they can keep the $15 million/yr LHN revenue, but they will forfeit additional revenue from the SEC Network, SEC Network+, and ESPN+.
So you're saying the $150 Million +/- will be offset? Do you really think Texas would have jumped at the opportunity to join the SEC if that was true?
 
ESPN was desperate in 2011 in keeping UT away from Fox/Pac12.. In hindsight, they shouldn't have done it but they did. I'm sure they can write it off now that LHN will be off air soon enough.
I said back when ESPN did that they were buying a pig in a poke.
 
meh
i mean its only been a few years since BYU was 4-9 (2017)
Cinci was 4-8 in 16 and 17
houston 4-8 in 19
UCF was 0-12 in 15

Ok state has been more consistent only losing season under Gundy was year 1 in 05
Baylor 2-7 in 20 and 1-11 in 17

things fluctuate
remember when Iowa state fans were in here telling us they weren't gonna back slide and then they went 7-6?

Fair enough. That's why we have these discussions.

You can say those things about pretty much anybody other than Ohio St and a few SEC teams.

LSU was (5-5) in 2020 and (6-7) in 2021.
 
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