So what is the latest news on the OU and Texas to SEC situation?

[Goldbug]

Some simple truths that are keeping AD's awake at night in the OU/Texas/SEC drama:

1. When you abandon ship like OU and Texas you risk swimming with the sharks.
2. The SEC does not want its newest members mad at the way they were allowed to join.
3. The temptation for some Big XII schools is to make it hard on Oklahoma and they would like to cut Bevo's balls off if he had any left. That should be resisted because revenge is a dish best served cold. People from OU and UT will be on playoff committees, etc. in the future.
4. The national economy is sicker than a poisoned pup. How long will it be before the good times roll again? Travel, operating costs, donations, contracts, President attitudes, politics, $ for buying/hiring players, etc. are all going to be heaving crap shoots for the foreseeable future.
5. It has not happened yet but it is likely some schools will start to notice attendance problems. Ticket prices, donation requirements, hotel prices, fuel prices, living expenses, etc. are going to become hurdles fans can not get over. Staying at home and watching the games will be an option that is going to appeal to a lot more fans even if we are forced to pay for it on a game-by-game basis or by buying packages.
6. College sports has never had a black swan event. But that does not mean it can't happen.

 

[Red_Alert]

Thoughts on his take?

2023 - $110 million haircut for each TX & OU
2024 - $55 million haircut for each TX & OU

That is based on current SEC payout.

The Big 12 does not have to play here. Keeping TX/OU in the Big 12 for 2023 and 2024 will increase the Big 12 payouts beyond the $42 million it is now. People are going to watch to see how BYU, Cincy, UCF, and Houston stack up.

The Big 12 will likely get it's haircut in 2025 and beyond.

 

[huskers1217]

Lol. Texas can’t duck houston next year!!!! I can’t wish to see this shit show.

 

[Deep Creek]

Some simple truths that are keeping AD's awake at night in the OU/Texas/SEC drama:

1. When you abandon ship like OU and Texas you risk swimming with the sharks.
2. The SEC does not want its newest members mad at the way they were allowed to join.
3. The temptation for some Big XII schools is to make it hard on Oklahoma and they would like to cut Bevo's balls off if he had any left. That should be resisted because revenge is a dish best served cold. People from OU and UT will be on playoff committees, etc. in the future.
4. The national economy is sicker than a poisoned pup. How long will it be before the good times roll again? Travel, operating costs, donations, contracts, President attitudes, politics, $ for buying/hiring players, etc. are all going to be heaving crap shoots for the foreseeable future.
5. It has not happened yet but it is likely some schools will start to notice attendance problems. Ticket prices, donation requirements, hotel prices, fuel prices, living expenses, etc. are going to become hurdles fans can not get over. Staying at home and watching the games will be an option that is going to appeal to a lot more fans even if we are forced to pay for it on a game-by-game basis or by buying packages.
6. College sports has never had a black swan event. But that does not mean it can't happen.

I've been thinking the same thing GB...but peoples actions around me are proving me wrong. I haven't seen any change in people's spending patterns around here. Either they had/have a lot saved up or they are going further and further in debt because they are still blowing and going like crazy.

The one thing that I've seen that shows concern with any of it concerns publicly funded areas that have fleets. I saw where some Police Departments, Sheriff's Departments, EMTs, Fire Departments, etc have already spent their budgeted fuel amounts for the year. And a couple of my former teachers that are now school superintendents are finalizing budgets and are having to increase certain areas of their budgets for transportation and food services 200%-300%. And that is having to be taken from somewhere.

All that said, shit won't get real until the transportaion director goes into the superintendent's office and says they don't have fuel to send the football team to a game. Then, it will get real real.

 

[Goldbug]

I've been thinking the same thing GB...but peoples actions around me are proving me wrong. I haven't seen any change in people's spending patterns around here. Either they had/have a lot saved up or they are going further and further in debt because they are still blowing and going like crazy.

The one thing that I've seen that shows concern with any of it concerns publicly funded areas that have fleets. I saw where some Police Departments, Sheriff's Departments, EMTs, Fire Departments, etc have already spent their budgeted fuel amounts for the year. And a couple of my former teachers that are now school superintendents are finalizing budgets and are having to increase certain areas of their budgets for transportation and food services 200%-300%. And that is having to be taken from somewhere.

All that said, shit won't get real until the transportaion director goes into the superintendent's office and says they don't have fuel to send the football team to a game. Then, it will get real real.

As of this month's Fed numbers, U.S. consumer debt is now $16 Trillion and climbing faster than ever as people use credit cards and other borrowing in an attempt to keep up with inflation. It's absolutely insane. Very few people are changing their spending habits yet. Unless they were already frugal, chances are they're still spending money in profligate ways that will lead to financial ruin and possibly bankruptcy. People have lost the ability to tell themselves or their family members "no!" when it comes to "just one more little purchase won't make a difference". What is coming in this nation's economy is bound to have a strong impact on college sports.

 

[Deep Creek]

As of this month's Fed numbers, U.S. consumer debt is now $16 Trillion and climbing faster than ever as people use credit cards and other borrowing in an attempt to keep up with inflation. It's absolutely insane. Very few people are changing their spending habits yet. Unless they were already frugal, chances are they're still spending money in profligate ways that will lead to financial ruin and possibly bankruptcy. People have lost the ability to tell themselves or their family members "no!" when it comes to "just one more little purchase won't make a difference". What is coming in this nation's economy is bound to have a strong impact on college sports.

That's what I'm seeing...and hearing. They are still filling up their Suburbans (albeit while they are bitching about the price of fuel) for $100 and blowing and going like they did when it cost $50 to do so.

And you'll understand this irony. The one I heard bitching about the price of fuel recently is also the same person that benefits the most from $120/barrel crude. While she can definitely afford it, others are doing the same thing and really can't.

 

[Goldbug]

That's what I'm seeing...and hearing. They are still filling up their Suburbans (albeit while they are bitching about the price of fuel) for $100 and blowing and going like they did when it cost $50 to do so.

And you'll understand this irony. The one I heard bitching about the price of fuel recently is also the same person that benefits the most from $120/barrel crude. While she can definitely afford it, others are doing the same thing and really can't.

I'm also in the oil business and I could be cheering for $5 gasoline but I'm not a jerk. I know this is really hurting a lot of people so we are kicking in extra at church and to charity this year. People like her are morons......or worse.

 

[Volbound1700]

2023 - $110 million haircut for each TX & OU
2024 - $55 million haircut for each TX & OU

That is based on current SEC payout.

The Big 12 does not have to play here. Keeping TX/OU in the Big 12 for 2023 and 2024 will increase the Big 12 payouts beyond the $42 million it is now. People are going to watch to see how BYU, Cincy, UCF, and Houston stack up.

The Big 12 will likely get it's haircut in 2025 and beyond.

I still can't believe Oklahoma and Texas would agree to such a dumb contract...

However, I do think at some point, there might be an opportunity for a buy-out. The one thing I found interesting about the video was the new ESPN-SEC contract. He is right, ESPN would want the cash cows of OU and Texas to put on the network. If that is the case, maybe a 2024 buy-out and start date for SEC could make sense. If not, it seems like it will go to 2025 when the contract expires.

I don't think 2023 is happening so we are guaranteed at least one season of a 14-team Big12.

I know people hated the announcers but I am going to miss SEC on CBS. It was just something that I grew up with. The logos, theme, history, etc. .

 

[Red_Alert]

I still can't believe Oklahoma and Texas would agree to such a dumb contract...

However, I do think at some point, there might be an opportunity for a buy-out. The one thing I found interesting about the video was the new ESPN-SEC contract. He is right, ESPN would want the cash cows of OU and Texas to put on the network. If that is the case, maybe a 2024 buy-out and start date for SEC could make sense. If not, it seems like it will go to 2025 when the contract expires.

I don't think 2023 is happening so we are guaranteed at least one season of a 14-team Big12.

I know people hated the announcers but I am going to miss SEC on CBS. It was just something that I grew up with. The logos, theme, history, etc. .

I could see a deal being made for 2024 where the Big 12 gets at least what the Big 12 teams would have gotten w/ tx and OU still there.

Say the payouts stay the same as now.
SEC: $55 million
Big 12: $42 million

Big 12 gets $42 million of each teams SEC payouts and TX/OU keep the difference of $13 million each.

Again.... The Big 12 doesn't even have to do that.

 

[Deep Creek]

I know people hated the announcers but I am going to miss SEC on CBS. It was just something that I grew up with. The logos, theme, history, etc. .

CBS only broadcasts one bowl game anymore. The Sun Bowl.

 

[OlyDuck]

Recruiting gets easier? Its oklahoma and texas.
Not have them play any of the new schools also seems like a weird rumor or take

 

[outofyourmind]

Recruiting gets easier? Its oklahoma and texas.
Not have them play any of the new schools also seems like a weird rumor or take

Yes it does.

Those new schools would love to play Oklahoma/Texas at the new team's stadium. Can you imagine the draw that creates for them.

 

[Goldbug]

Yes it does.

Those new schools would love to play Oklahoma/Texas at the new team's stadium. Can you imagine the draw that creates for them.

So they want to play with Oklahoma's scheduling again for some unspoken reason. You remember how OU got stuck with umpteen 11 AM games and it continually caused us problems with recruiting? How Castiglione was livid about it and Bowlsby just shrugged and said "live with it"? The word you are looking for is "chickenshit". It is the main reason I want out of the conference even if we're hopping into a meat grinder. I could be deluded but I truly feel we will be treated fairly in the SEC and OU will be able to avoid a lot of the petty stuff we've lived with for the past decade in the Poseur XII.

 

[OlyDuck]

So they want to play with Oklahoma's scheduling again for some unspoken reason. You remember how OU got stuck with umpteen 11 AM games and it continually caused us problems with recruiting? How Castiglione was livid about it and Bowlsby just shrugged and said "live with it"? The word you are looking for is "chickenshit". It is the main reason I want out of the conference even if we're hopping into a meat grinder. I could be deluded but I truly feel we will be treated fairly in the SEC and OU will be able to avoid a lot of the petty stuff we've lived with for the past decade in the Poseur XII.

But do you really believe they add 4 schools and if they do divisions or pods or just random 9 conference games there is no way Ok and Tx only have to play the current 8 others and eachother without 1 or 2 of of the new schools. Shit may boost sos if the played byu instead of kansas

 

[Volbound1700]

Looks like 2024 is the likely year OU and Texas leave Big12 and play first season in SEC. I guess that is when the buy out makes sense from a Financial Standpoint:

Texas, Oklahoma to the SEC: Longhorns, Sooners targeting 2024 as debut season in league, per report

The possibility of a 14-team Big 12 for the 2023 football season appears more likely

www.cbssports.com

Interesting to see what the opening SEC matchup will be for both teams. I know the SEC Setup some interesting first game matchups for Missouri and Texas A&M.

I am banking on an Oklahoma-Georgia opening game as a rematch of the Playoff Game or perhaps Oklahoma-Florida as rematch of 2008 game.

I can see Texas opening with Tennessee in the battle of the UTs or LSU.

 

[Wishbone]

Of course he does. Who dosen't? Its an easy win on a tough schedule.

 

[Volbound1700]

Video about current struggle with Pac12:



I really think Pac12 needs to expand even if the numbers don't look good. They are in a tough spot and staying status quo is not winning strategy.

Adding Kansas, Oklahoma State, and Texas Tech would make the league more competitive. A four team could include Kansas State, Iowa State, or BYU to round things off. BYU is a very logical choice but the religious culture won't fit Pac12 culture.

Four might be a little much. The Pac12 really needed OU and Texas more than any other league. I think they are going to continue to fall behind unless something drastic happens.

Ultimately, Oregon, USC, and some of the other stronger programs may merge with B1G and leave the other Pac12 members behind unless they can get money situation in order. Interesting, the Pac12 might hinge on the success of USC. If USC can get back to Pete Carroll era play, the Pac12 will likely be fine financially.

 

[outofyourmind]

The PAC sounds like it's in serious trouble.
And there isn't one thing they can do about it.

 

[Volbound1700]

The PAC sounds like it's in serious trouble.
And there isn't one thing they can do about it.

True. Ultimately winning fixes everything but I think it is more cultural/systemic issues.

I know I have got into knock-down, drag out arguments but the problem still relies on the fact that most people on the West Coast just don't care about College Football. Sure it is one of the more populous regions in our country but that doesn't make it a great market for College Football necessarily. There are rural states who have greater viewership than California simply because the state lives and breaths College Football. California has always been more of a pro sports market or other forms of entertainment (it is the main market for Video Games for example as well as a massive market for Streaming, Music, etc.).

In some ways, it is also a College Football marketability issue. I imagine College Football, itself, is hurt by not having a large presence in that market (similar case with the New York and New England region as well).

I do think that if USC got back to Pete Carroll elite levels, that would get some eyeballs on the West Coast. Whether it is enough to save the entire Pac12 or not is to be seen.

 

[OlyDuck]

Looks like 2024 is the likely year OU and Texas leave Big12 and play first season in SEC. I guess that is when the buy out makes sense from a Financial Standpoint:

Texas, Oklahoma to the SEC: Longhorns, Sooners targeting 2024 as debut season in league, per report

The possibility of a 14-team Big 12 for the 2023 football season appears more likely

www.cbssports.com

Interesting to see what the opening SEC matchup will be for both teams. I know the SEC Setup some interesting first game matchups for Missouri and Texas A&M.

I am banking on an Oklahoma-Georgia opening game as a rematch of the Playoff Game or perhaps Oklahoma-Florida as rematch of 2008 game.

I can see Texas opening with Tennessee in the battle of the UTs or LSU.

yeah nothing says rematch like an entirely different roster and coaches

how many head coaches has Florida had since then?

neither of those games are a rematch