Stanford, Cal, SMU have been extended offers to the ACC

I assume the ACC figured getting their footprint into California and Texas for recruiting and ACC Network exposure was worth the trouble.

A bit late to the party, but they're there.
 
just wait for the headlines of the future

Oregon Big Ten Champions
California ACC Champions
Utah Big XII Champions
Oregon State Mountain West Champions
 
OlyDuck said:
of the future. i didnt put a time frame on it. all are entirely possible.
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Nope. The first two will never happen. Find a time machine and go forward in time a million years and you’ll find neither to have occurred.
 
CoalTrain said:
On the surface I agree 💯 but then.. I’m not sure what’s goin on behind the scenes with some of the thinking with these conferences now compared to the moves in the past.
I feel like there is information that hasn’t been made public yet or hasn’t developed just yet ect. but.. we’ll see long term. It’s terribly interesting trying to figure out the strategy of it all :laugh:
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If you look at who was against it - FSU, Clemson and UNC - I think a fair assumption is that bring them in is not helpful for them leaving. For example, if it used to take 60 or 70% of the teams to dissolve the conference, the number of teams needed now is higher. And those 3 aren't going to vote to dissolve. It's like having your stock diluted. Three teams just joined that aren't going to now want out of the ACC.

I think NCSU finally came around when the decided that UNC wasn't ever going to protect little brother. I think this was a short term money play but a long term security play by teams not named FSU, Clemson, and UNC.
 
CoalTrain said:
On the surface I agree 💯 but then.. I’m not sure what’s goin on behind the scenes with some of the thinking with these conferences now compared to the moves in the past.
I feel like there is information that hasn’t been made public yet or hasn’t developed just yet ect. but.. we’ll see long term. It’s terribly interesting trying to figure out the strategy of it all :laugh:
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I can’t imagine 11 of the 15 (many of which have no P2 invite) are going to vote for adding teams if it breaks up the only thing preventing certain football schools from bailing causing a horrid situation for themselves and the conference. Conversely why the heck would FSU and Clemson vote against it if it gave them an out ether very cheaply or for free to leave? I can’t see this affecting the GoR bud.
 
ralphiewvu said:
I can’t imagine 11 of the 15 (many of which have no P2 invite) are going to vote for adding teams if it breaks up the only thing preventing certain football schools from bailing causing a horrid situation for themselves and the conference. Conversely why the heck would FSU and Clemson vote against it if it gave them an out ether very cheaply or for free to leave? I can’t see this affecting the GoR bud.
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You and I came to the same conclusion ... follow the votes and which way the teams would go on the GOR. Confident this was designed to ensure the GOR doesn't get broken and the ACC does get PAC'd.

If you think about it, FSU's temper tantrum may have had the exact opposite effect they wanted - it may have convinced enough schools to expand so as to keep the GOR and the conference in place. With as little extra money they get, as crappy as the football is, and the cost of the travel, that may be the only thing that explains why they did it.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
You and I came to the same conclusion ... follow the votes and which way the teams would go on the GOR. Confident this was designed to ensure the GOR doesn't get broken and the ACC does get PAC'd.

If you think about it, FSU's temper tantrum may have had the exact opposite effect they wanted - it may have convinced enough schools to expand so as to keep the GOR and the conference in place. With as little extra money they get, as crappy as the football is, and the cost of the travel, that may be the only thing that explains why they did it.
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Ohh this absolutely has an element of the others sticking it to FSU and Clemson by adding more votes against them to keep the conference in place.

By the looks of it now it’ll be 4 Power conferences moving forward. Be interesting to see what the change to the 6+6 model for Playoff expansion will look like. Many have said on the tweeter it’ll go to 5+7 but I think both the B1G and SEC will want a 4+8. Given the way people can still make it, 4+8 imo is what will happen.
 
ralphiewvu said:
Ohh this absolutely has an element of the others sticking it to FSU and Clemson by adding more votes against them to keep the conference in place.

By the looks of it now it’ll be 4 Power conferences moving forward. Be interesting to see what the change to the 6+6 model for Playoff expansion will look like. Many have said on the tweeter it’ll go to 5+7 but I think both the B1G and SEC will want a 4+8. Given the way people can still make it, 4+8 imo is what will happen.
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I think the SEC and the B1G will throw the G6 a bone and go 5+7. No way they agree to 6+6.

WashState and OreState may have the last laugh here. If they can keep playing at the level they have been playing, they may be the G6's entry in the CFP every year. A big fuck you to all the other PAC teams that left them behind.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I think the SEC and the B1G will throw the G6 a bone and go 5+7. No way they agree to 6+6.

WashState and OreState may have the last laugh here. If they can keep playing at the level they have been playing, they may be the G6's entry in the CFP every year. A big fuck you to all the other PAC teams that left them behind.
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I sure hope it’s 5+7.

Itll Be interesting to see with Wazzou and OSU because they won’t make What they are making in the PAC. Given they both don’t reside in recruiting hotbeds, I could see them take a step back when they are a few years in.
 
OlyDuck said:
just wait for the headlines of the future

Oregon Big Ten Champions
California ACC Champions
Utah Big XII Champions
Oregon State Mountain West Champions
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Yeah, so when does the news break that Washington State and Oregon State are headed to the Mountain West Conference?
 
ralphiewvu said:
I sure hope it’s 5+7.

Itll Be interesting to see with Wazzou and OSU because they won’t make What they are making in the PAC. Given they both don’t reside in recruiting hotbeds, I could see them take a step back when they are a few years in.
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OSU is supposed to be good this year. They have enough if they don't get killed by transfers that they might be really good for a G6 in 2024 and 2025, and the format will be 6+6 for those years. It won't be until 2026 that it can go to 5+7. I will love to see them get into the CFP and all the other PAC schools don't.
 
ralphiewvu said:
By the looks of it now it’ll be 4 Power conferences moving forward. Be interesting to see what the change to the 6+6 model for Playoff expansion will look like. Many have said on the tweeter it’ll go to 5+7 but I think both the B1G and SEC will want a 4+8. Given the way people can still make it, 4+8 imo is what will happen.
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As long as the revenue gap is as large as it is, it is Power 2. Maybe not in performance, but definitely in who controls things.
 
CoalTrain said:
Anybody seen/heard anything on how if at all this affects their GOR?

Does it crack the door open for Clemson/FSU/UNC to begin their exits?

OR are we talking a new GOR ect.?

Also, wonder what the AAC does next? I know they’ve made a statement about not going for the PAC 2 leftovers already.
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It doesn't. They're just added to the deal already in place. But, there was clause in the contract that if the ACC dipped below 15 conference members, ESPN had the right to re-negotiate the deal (obviously would be a lower price). Before this deal, they had 15 schools. Its been a secret (though some knew if you knew where to look) for 2 years and became an open secret this year that at least 3 schools (FSU, Clem, and UNC) are looking elsewhere. It's not a coincidence the ACC just so happened to add 3 schools, the exact number they know for sure are looking to leave. Which...if anyone has any kind of brains and logic, should tell you they aren't confident the GOR will actually keep schools in place until 2036. Because if they were, there's no reason to add schools whose profile and negatives (travel expenses, actual brand value, other stuff) don't really raise the value of your conference, it likely waters it down. The deal is actually pretty darn poor from every angle you look at it UNLESS you're actually worried the conference is gonna lose members and thus lose their current paydays from the ESPN contract.
 
Deep Creek said:
As long as the revenue gap is as large as it is, it is Power 2. Maybe not in performance, but definitely in who controls things.
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Fair point
 
This move makes sense once you've come to the realization that school are going to start leaving the ACC in the next couple of years. As McMurphy reported, if the ACC can remain above 15 schools, that prevents ESPN from negotiating their contract down. This means the rest of the ACC will continue to make money on par with the Big 12, even if they end up losing Florida State, Clemson and/or UNC.

As for who is going to leave the ACC over the next few years, just look at who voted no.
 
ralphiewvu said:
I can’t imagine 11 of the 15 (many of which have no P2 invite) are going to vote for adding teams if it breaks up the only thing preventing certain football schools from bailing causing a horrid situation for themselves and the conference. Conversely why the heck would FSU and Clemson vote against it if it gave them an out ether very cheaply or for free to leave? I can’t see this affecting the GoR bud.
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My thinking is (and it may well be wrong) that if their exit from the ACC is imminent anyway, maybe they let them leave early with a big buyout similar to the Texas/OU deal but instead of a lump sum and go, a pay a lump now (not as big as TX/OU) then several payments over the years to compensate other members of the ACC until the deal expires.
 
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