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Wizardhawk said:
If it is so dangerous that you are fine with 30, 40, or more kids pass on them to protect their future then abolish those games and protect everyone, even those who wouldn't opt out.

They shouldn't do anything for ME. I feel for their teammates. Watching teams have to go missing so many of what made them who they were and play so poorly is tough to watch.

Just stop the season at the CCG and go back to polls. It seems to be much safer according to those who support this nonsense.
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Here is what you are missing. They literally could end the season of every team in CFB with the exception of the 4 in the CFP. Why? Because they are the only one playing for a title. The others aren't playing for anything but a bowl trophy.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Here is what you are missing. They literally could end the season of every team in CFB with the exception of the 4 in the CFP. Why? Because they are the only one playing for a title. The others aren't playing for anything but a bowl trophy.
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I'm not missing anything. I said you might as well do that then if you really feel football is too risky for those with NFL aspirations.

You can feel however you want. So can we. There are plenty of people who feel football is a somewhat violent sport (nothing close to what it used to be) with risks. There are risks just in practice more or less games.

I personally don't like drafting kids that quit on their team. I have no doubt they will find some other stupid reason to quit on a play, game, or their team at some point.

You can just agree to disagree here because there aren't words you can use that will change anyone's minds.
 
Wizardhawk said:
I'm not missing anything. I said you might as well do that then if you really feel football is too risky for those with NFL aspirations.

You can feel however you want. So can we. There are plenty of people who feel football is a somewhat violent sport (nothing close to what it used to be) with risks. There are risks just in practice more or less games.

I personally don't like drafting kids that quit on their team. I have no doubt they will find some other stupid reason to quit on a play, game, or their team at some point.

You can just agree to disagree here because there aren't words you can use that will change anyone's minds.
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You tell me the player that a team passed on for sitting out an exhibition game, which is what the bowl games are, sans the CFP? Fans, like yourself, couldn't care less about the player. They simply want the team they root for to win the bowl game and the players sitting out are the best players on the team.

I've already told you multiple guys who have lost millions. Why aren't teams lining up to give Jake Butt a big contract or ANY contract? He is all about the team. NFL teams don't care if you play in a bowl game with no meaning, but they sure as hell care if you blow out your knee.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
You tell me the player that a team passed on for sitting out an exhibition game, which is what the bowl games are, sans the CFP? Fans, like yourself, couldn't care less about the player. They simply want the team they root for to win the bowl game and the players sitting out are the best players on the team.

I've already told you multiple guys who have lost millions. Why aren't teams lining up to give Jake Butt a big contract or ANY contract? He is all about the team. NFL teams don't care if you play in a bowl game with no meaning, but they sure as hell care if you blow out your knee.
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You bring up 2 examples out of more than 2k draftees in just the last decade, more or less any greater historical context. It just isn't statistically significant enough to warrant dozens and dozens of opt outs each year, and growing each season.

Go ahead and keep harping on those outlier cases as though it has greater meaning because it rings hollow to most.

Fans like myself? You don't know shit about me. My team wasn't even in the same zip code of a bowl team, more or less am I just throwing out sour grapes over some kid on MY team sitting out. In fact, I don't recall opt outs on UW in prior years being a thing that ever caused a problem in their bowl games. So stop trying to make this something personal when we are clearly talking about more broad concepts because you entirely missed your mark. If we are going to have this many bowls it would just be better if the players that got them there actually played, otherwise why have them. It's not a tough point to understand. You don't need to have some personal note to come to that conclusion. If you are a fan of college football and want to see good games you are being entirely robbed in this bloated bowl season with dud games up and down the slate.

I've been clear that on top of opt outs, the transfer portal has also caused this new era of shitty games. There just isn't depth behind those kids who quit on their team to step up and fill in. The good kids in waiting don't stay and wait anymore, they go off to try and be starters as young as they can. Does that mean I think they should force kids to stay on teams they don't want to be or be forced to stay at a school they don't care to be at? No. You can both point out it is bad for the sport and still understand these are kids making real world decisions about their life.

I feel much the same about opt outs. Each kid is doing what they feel is in their best interest, but by definition that IS being selfish. It is what it is. They have a right to do it and I have a right to look at them as quitters on their team.

Doesn't matter where you stand on either, both have a negative impact on the sport in general. While the TP can actually help G5's and other lower programs who can pickup better talent out of it simply because they are desperate to start, it overall waters down the middle and middle/upper tier of the sport to the point where injuries and opt outs just make for really crappy football.
 
Wizardhawk said:
You bring up 2 examples out of more than 2k draftees in just the last decade, more or less any greater historical context. It just isn't statistically significant enough to warrant dozens and dozens of opt outs each year, and growing each season.

Go ahead and keep harping on those outlier cases as though it has greater meaning because it rings hollow to most.

Fans like myself? You don't know shit about me. My team wasn't even in the same zip code of a bowl team, more or less am I just throwing out sour grapes over some kid on MY team sitting out. In fact, I don't recall opt outs on UW in prior years being a thing that ever caused a problem in their bowl games. So stop trying to make this something personal when we are clearly talking about more broad concepts because you entirely missed your mark. If we are going to have this many bowls it would just be better if the players that got them there actually played, otherwise why have them. It's not a tough point to understand. You don't need to have some personal note to come to that conclusion. If you are a fan of college football and want to see good games you are being entirely robbed in this bloated bowl season with dud games up and down the slate.

I've been clear that on top of opt outs, the transfer portal has also caused this new era of shitty games. There just isn't depth behind those kids who quit on their team to step up and fill in. The good kids in waiting don't stay and wait anymore, they go off to try and be starters as young as they can. Does that mean I think they should force kids to stay on teams they don't want to be or be forced to stay at a school they don't care to be at? No. You can both point out it is bad for the sport and still understand these are kids making real world decisions about their life.

I feel much the same about opt outs. Each kid is doing what they feel is in their best interest, but by definition that IS being selfish. It is what it is. They have a right to do it and I have a right to look at them as quitters on their team.

Doesn't matter where you stand on either, both have a negative impact on the sport in general. While the TP can actually help G5's and other lower programs who can pickup better talent out of it simply because they are desperate to start, it overall waters down the middle and middle/upper tier of the sport to the point where injuries and opt outs just make for really crappy football.
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If they were opting out as freshman, then yes, I can see it being considered selfish. When these kids have given their blood, sweat and tears to the school for the past 3, 4, 5 years -- sitting out an exhibition game to give them extra time to prepare for the combine and upcoming draft, instead of risking an injury isn't selfish.

And I agree about the transfer portal with you, but when you have kids committing to a coach and his staff, then that coach jumps ship for more money and greener pastures -- the kid shouldn't be held to the LOI. Those players are the one's who should get a free pass to transfer without sitting out. Those players who want to leave just to see if they can play elsewhere should have to sit out a year, IMO.
 
These long winded exchanges are too much for me to follow. Not enough vulgar name calling. Step your game up boys.
 
Peter Gozintite said:
These long winded exchanges are too much for me to follow. Not enough vulgar name calling. Step your game up boys.
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It's like they've never posted on a sports forum before! Noobz....
 
Peter Gozintite said:
These long winded exchanges are too much for me to follow. Not enough vulgar name calling. Step your game up boys.
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curb your enthusiasm middle finger GIF
 
ralphiewvu said:
Bro, do you realize who is in the Houston bowl?????

:tb::tb::tb::tb::tb::tb::tb::tb::tb::tb::tb:
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Oh yeah, @TigerBait1971 how come we didn’t fist fight in the parking lot after the 2015 Houston Bowl. I was up in dat bitch. I would kicked you with my caimans. If you heard some jackass yelling after the game how the SEC was to scared to have Tech play A&M who we actually had a chance at beating, that was me. A majority of tiger fans found it funny, SEC being pussies not wanting to fuck their bowl record. Stood no chance in that game. Mahomes played pretty well though, as expected.
 
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