Tennessee & Nico in a contract dispute?

cwerph · Monday at 7:53 AM

Wow, is this really true?

Thiefery · Monday at 8:25 AM

fishinabarrel said:
The day will happen soon where they will actually be considered employees and not student athletes. These kids keep pushing the boundaries not even realizing they have it just about perfect right now. Once they are called employees these schools will be putting all kinds of shit in their "contract"

so they will have buyouts for the new school to pay the old school?

cwerph said:
Wow, is this really true?

Could be.. at this point i can't shit on anything anymore

ericd7633 · Monday at 8:38 AM

Thiefery said:
just find it funny how everyone is sticking up for TN when they were the ones who opened their wallets from the get go to get Nico..

He was all about getting paid when he was a recruit.. TN came over the top, threw more to ensure he would not go elsewhere.. I don't think he ever really wanted to be there.. If you put truth serum in him and his family, they would have rather tried to get with Riley who was sorta handcuffed with Malachi at that point.

So with all the TN stepped up.. showed Nico and his family that they won't be used... remember who actually started this.. If your biggest pitch is money to a player who wants to get all he can.. Can't get mad when he wants more halfway through his time there.

I agree with this. If Nico was only going there for the $$ you shouldn't be too surprised he took this action when other QB "salaries" have increased. I'm sure if he balled out last year, they would have stepped up to pay more. But he's been paid $4+M and has been avg to below avg in his time there. He's still an unknown commodity going into his JR year. Still has potential, but TN is well within their right to do this, if they don't think he's the player who he was out of HS.

Thiefery · Monday at 9:13 AM

NinerSpartan · Monday at 9:58 AM

Rumor has it that the real reason why Nico wanted more money is that he was getting tired of @Volbound1700 sliding in his DMs and ranting about how lucky Nico is that he is in Knoxville and doesn't have to pay those outrageously high California taxes. He wanted compensation for having to deal with that retard and tbh, I don't blame him

fishinabarrel · Monday at 10:24 AM

Thiefery said:
So they will have buyouts for the new school to pay the old school?

Could be.. at this point i can't shit on anything anymore

That and they will have a much firmer ground to stand on a with restricting movements. Also performance clauses etc. Shit the NFL and corporate world already does

Shanemansj13 · Monday at 10:30 AM

cwerph said:
Wow, is this really true?

That’s a horrible look. Football is not his first priority it seems

Goldbug · Monday at 11:08 AM

I caught billy hell for a long time on Hoopla predicting exactly what is happening now. College football is just in the infancy of an ugly metamorphosis.

Want more predictions? Here they are and fire away:

1. College football will devolve into a situation where a very few schools will be the New York Yankees and the rest of us will be the Chicago White Sox. Yes, you CAN buy championships. 27 World Series wins vs 3
2. Gone forever are the days when a school can win championships with just a great coach, great recruiting and a really good assistant coaching staff plus some decent facilities. It will still help to have good coaching and facilities in the future but the ability to vacuum up the talent for a run at a championship will trump everything else.
3. Strikes and holdouts will be the final straw for a lot of the fans who will not have already turned their back on college sports. That's when the SHTF.
4. The economy will not support the voracious appetite college sports is going to have for $$$. When the inevitable contraction happens, the number of schools cutting back their programs will start with a trickle and then become a flood.
5. There will eventually be a vain attempt to forge a "new direction" and create a super league of schools willing and able to fund serious, expensive athletic departments on the scale of what we have now. Don't expect to see more than ~ 30 programs try to fit into that model. And you will be stunned at who chooses not to be among those programs.
6. Everyone keeps trying to compare college sports today with professional sports and draw a parallel between their business models and their financial success. The sad truth is the world of college sports will not mimic the world of professional football in the future. It's far more likely to end up looking like NASCAR with a dwindling fan base, a shortage of funding, old traditions burning in Turn 3 and unsuccessful attempts to tweak the sport to keep it reasonably competitive.

osubuckeye89 · Monday at 11:11 AM

Imagine having the season Nico did and then demanding a raise. Lmao

Brutus · Monday at 11:11 AM

osubuckeye89 said:
If Day is dumb enough to dump Sayin for a guy who's already shown he's a below mid passer at the P5 level then i'm right back on the Fire Ryan Day train.

I suspect you’ve never gotten off that train :bounce:

osubuckeye89 · Monday at 11:19 AM

Brutus said:
I suspect you’ve never gotten off that train

Until he loses to Michigan again this year!

But for real if he dumped Sayin for Nico that is a fireable offense.

osubuckeye89 · Monday at 11:21 AM

Goldbug said:
I caught billy hell for a long time on Hoopla predicting exactly what is happening now. College football is just in the infancy of an ugly metamorphosis.

Want more predictions? Here they are and fire away:

1. College football will devolve into a situation where a very few schools will be the New York Yankees and the rest of us will be the Chicago White Sox. Yes, you CAN buy championships. 27 World Series wins vs 3
2. Gone forever are the days when a school can win championships with just a great coach, great recruiting and a really good assistant coaching staff plus some decent facilities. It will still help to have good coaching and facilities in the future but the ability to vacuum up the talent for a run at a championship will trump everything else.
3. Strikes and holdouts will be the final straw for a lot of the fans who will not have already turned their back on college sports. That's when the SHTF.
4. The economy will not support the voracious appetite college sports is going to have for $$$. When the inevitable contraction happens, the number of schools cutting back their programs will start with a trickle and then become a flood.
5. There will eventually be a vain attempt to forge a "new direction" and create a super league of schools willing and able to fund serious, expensive athletic departments on the scale of what we have now. Don't expect to see more than ~ 30 programs try to fit into that model. And you will be stunned at who chooses not to be among those programs.
6. Everyone keeps trying to compare college sports today with professional sports and draw a parallel between their business models and their financial success. The sad truth is the world of college sports will not mimic the world of professional football in the future. It's far more likely to end up looking like NASCAR with a dwindling fan base, a shortage of funding, old traditions burning in Turn 3 and unsuccessful attempts to tweak the sport to keep it reasonably competitive.

This is a case of a kid being stupid and having the worst people in his ear. Nobody is getting into a bidding war for Nico, at this point he will be very lucky if he can manage not to have a massive downgrade in where he ends up.

TaikoTiger · Monday at 12:10 PM

cwerph said:
Wow, is this really true?

Sadly but as expected

In context, JP is taking about agents and their effect on CFB today. With the window being open every season for players to jump, there's no stopping agents getting in these players ears promising pay raises and more. Behind close doors, this is happening in every locker room

TaikoTiger · Monday at 12:21 PM

Goldbug said:
I caught billy hell for a long time on Hoopla predicting exactly what is happening now. College football is just in the infancy of an ugly metamorphosis.

Want more predictions? Here they are and fire away:

1. College football will devolve into a situation where a very few schools will be the New York Yankees and the rest of us will be the Chicago White Sox. Yes, you CAN buy championships. 27 World Series wins vs 3
2. Gone forever are the days when a school can win championships with just a great coach, great recruiting and a really good assistant coaching staff plus some decent facilities. It will still help to have good coaching and facilities in the future but the ability to vacuum up the talent for a run at a championship will trump everything else.
3. Strikes and holdouts will be the final straw for a lot of the fans who will not have already turned their back on college sports. That's when the SHTF.
4. The economy will not support the voracious appetite college sports is going to have for $$$. When the inevitable contraction happens, the number of schools cutting back their programs will start with a trickle and then become a flood.
5. There will eventually be a vain attempt to forge a "new direction" and create a super league of schools willing and able to fund serious, expensive athletic departments on the scale of what we have now. Don't expect to see more than ~ 30 programs try to fit into that model. And you will be stunned at who chooses not to be among those programs.
6. Everyone keeps trying to compare college sports today with professional sports and draw a parallel between their business models and their financial success. The sad truth is the world of college sports will not mimic the world of professional football in the future. It's far more likely to end up looking like NASCAR with a dwindling fan base, a shortage of funding, old traditions burning in Turn 3 and unsuccessful attempts to tweak the sport to keep it reasonably competitive.

In before "but that's not the intension of what NIL was suppose to be" crowd.

Like teams / boosters were never going to find loopholes to pay players

TaikoTiger · Monday at 12:44 PM

Thiefery said:
just find it funny how everyone is sticking up for TN when they were the ones who opened their wallets from the get go to get Nico..

He was all about getting paid when he was a recruit.. TN came over the top, threw more to ensure he would not go elsewhere.. I don't think he ever really wanted to be there.. If you put truth serum in him and his family, they would have rather tried to get with Riley who was sorta handcuffed with Malachi at that point.

So with all the TN stepped up.. showed Nico and his family that they won't be used... remember who actually started this.. If your biggest pitch is money to a player who wants to get all he can.. Can't get mad when he wants more halfway through his time there.

Kinda like when everyone was parading Tennessee after defeating the NCAA on regulating NIL.
Tennessee / Nico's recruitment broke the mold that's now allows players to have unlimited rights
Funny how that comes full circle :brick:

Video starts @11:20

Deep Creek · Monday at 1:35 PM

Thiefery said:
just find it funny how everyone is sticking up for TN when they were the ones who opened their wallets from the get go to get Nico..

He was all about getting paid when he was a recruit.. TN came over the top, threw more to ensure he would not go elsewhere.. I don't think he ever really wanted to be there.. If you put truth serum in him and his family, they would have rather tried to get with Riley who was sorta handcuffed with Malachi at that point.

So with all the TN stepped up.. showed Nico and his family that they won't be used... remember who actually started this.. If your biggest pitch is money to a player who wants to get all he can.. Can't get mad when he wants more halfway through his time there.

Lot of dumb big money collectives have overpaid for many kids coming out of high school imho. Not just Tennessee.

But if the dumbasses are offering stupid amounts of money, why not take it. Just live with that number. Sounds like Tennessee was living to live with their initial stupid offer, but Nico wasn’t. He should have gotten what he wanted to start with.

WhosYourDawggy · Monday at 2:05 PM

fishinabarrel said:
Kinda hope no one else does either. This kinda thing would be pretty bad for CFB. It's already the Wild West. Trying to make it like a zombie apocalypse wild West

All the programs people are saying he is looking at - UCLA, Tulane, FSU - aren't capable of matching $4 million. Not even close. Especially for a QB that hasn't shown he has it. He would worse tools around him at all those places.

WhosYourDawggy · Monday at 2:08 PM

cwerph said:
That would lose in court. It wouldn't be close. Could a coach leave an SEC school for another SEC school during the same periood? The Feds have called that "freedom of movement", I think.

They would totally win in court. They have been winning in court based on anti-trust violations. The fact that he can go and transfer to any other team in any other conference immediately gets rid of anti-trust. It's when the NCAA imposes the rules that they lose because the players have no other options. One of the things that has been hinted at has been that the more the conferences impose their own rules, the more they are removed from the anti-trust regulations. This rule by the SEC is just fine. Same with the SEC only allownig teams to have 85 scholarships for football while the NCAA allows up to 105.

WhosYourDawggy · Monday at 2:10 PM

fishinabarrel said:
The day will happen soon where they will actually be considered employees and not student athletes. These kids keep pushing the boundaries not even realizing they have it just about perfect right now. Once they are called employees these schools will be putting all kinds of shit in their "contract"

That's the obvious conclusion. I have never seen anyone say why they are so against it. It must be loss of control. But a CBA is the only answer at the end of the day.

Wild Turkey · Monday at 4:33 PM

Goldbug said:
I caught billy hell for a long time on Hoopla predicting exactly what is happening now. College football is just in the infancy of an ugly metamorphosis.

Want more predictions? Here they are and fire away:

1. College football will devolve into a situation where a very few schools will be the New York Yankees and the rest of us will be the Chicago White Sox. Yes, you CAN buy championships. 27 World Series wins vs 3
2. Gone forever are the days when a school can win championships with just a great coach, great recruiting and a really good assistant coaching staff plus some decent facilities. It will still help to have good coaching and facilities in the future but the ability to vacuum up the talent for a run at a championship will trump everything else.
3. Strikes and holdouts will be the final straw for a lot of the fans who will not have already turned their back on college sports. That's when the SHTF.
4. The economy will not support the voracious appetite college sports is going to have for $$$. When the inevitable contraction happens, the number of schools cutting back their programs will start with a trickle and then become a flood.
5. There will eventually be a vain attempt to forge a "new direction" and create a super league of schools willing and able to fund serious, expensive athletic departments on the scale of what we have now. Don't expect to see more than ~ 30 programs try to fit into that model. And you will be stunned at who chooses not to be among those programs.
6. Everyone keeps trying to compare college sports today with professional sports and draw a parallel between their business models and their financial success. The sad truth is the world of college sports will not mimic the world of professional football in the future. It's far more likely to end up looking like NASCAR with a dwindling fan base, a shortage of funding, old traditions burning in Turn 3 and unsuccessful attempts to tweak the sport to keep it reasonably competitive.

My interest is wanning and I'm watching a lot more NFL these days.

College basketball is safe for me because I love basketball and the NBA is just trash so there aren't any options.

I'm not saying I won't watch but it kinda sucks watching college ball and talking about how much kids are making the whole time. It just feels wrong.