If push comes to shove, I'd rather take my chances with OK State and TT than the smurfs and mormons.
Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC
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Smart move. I need to do that, but used to YoutubeTV at this point. Hated when PSVue went away.
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I get that too. But should the B1G add Kansas and someone else the ACC add both for 16 what does the PAC do? Stay where they are? At least being proactive gives you a chance at KU.
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I agreeIf push comes to shove, I'd rather take my chances with OK State and TT than the smurfs and mormons.
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Saban has been here for a while now.
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At first I was "ahh shit' because PS Vue had the best sports lineup available in a streaming package. I'm just as happy with HULU though and doubt I'd go back to PS Vue if it were offered again.
I think it's $55 + another $10 (taxes and fees), so $65.
My midrange Cox internet speed is $55 so in total I'm at appx $120
Better than paying Cox $200 for the same content.
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I don't think the Big Ten are going to be in a rush to get to 16. I don't think the ACC will unless ND is willing to jump on board. I think the race to 16 is a bit of a fallacy.
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B1G will do something. Not sure what yet. They are the one under the gun because they are seen as the rival conference to the SEC.
I have always been puzzled as to why the ACC isn't better. You have Clemson, Florida State, Miami, Virginia Tech, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Notre Dame (partial), Georgia Tech, etc. These programs were all contenders at one time. The ACC, when it expanded in early 2000s, was supposed to compete with SEC as the best league. FSU and Miami have not lived up to hype and College Football in the Northeast is about dead.
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My brother had Hulu live ad free but was telling me that he just switched to Fubo and then uses the Disney+ bundle. I haven't compared the two beyond knowing that neither Hulu or Fubo can get me Fox Sports Southwest.
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Very well could be. And I think it’s now at the feet of the B1G. ND ain’t coming unless something beyond their control of drastic happens. So the ACC isn’t going to add unless they think they are forced. That won’t happen unless the B1G adds. Does kansas and someone else move enough of the needle for the B1G?
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I agree the Big 10 won't be in any rush. However, I do think they nab KU when the dust settles on the TX/OU GOR issue.
Basketball makes up about 25% of the Big 10 tv revenue and KU being a monster program will be a good addition going into the next round of media contract negotiations for 2023.
That the Big 10 currently gets $54 mil/team and the SEC gets $45 mil/team is in part because of the basketball difference. The vast majority of SEC peeps don't watch basketball. The SEC will get a huge bump in adding TX/OU, but I think Big 10 basketball will keep them competitive in overall $$.
Yes KU's football program is in shambles and adds very little competitively, but it does add a footprint in the state of Kansas and in the Kansas City, Missouri metro.
KU has potential to be descent in football. Mangino had them rolling pretty good before he got fired for hurting someone's feelers. The right coach in there could have them competitive in the top 50% in the Big 10 West Division.
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it is a mixture of bad luck (Clemson/FSU have never really been elite during the same time period, Miami fell the fuck off when they joined the ACC, VT's run came when the rest of the conference was down, UNC/NCSU/UVa are constant underachievers) + the fact that a disproportionate number of ACC schools are smaller, private schools.
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I think Notre Dame goes ACC because they don't gain much joining a league that is already in their footprint and has schools to still recruits from them.
Notre Dame likes playing schools like Pittsburgh, Boston College, Syracuse, etc.
Of course $$$ trumps everything and B1G could get ND with the right offer.
Notre Dame likes playing schools like Pittsburgh, Boston College, Syracuse, etc.
Of course $$$ trumps everything and B1G could get ND with the right offer.
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Not to mention the total decline of Northeast. Keep in mind that in the late 1990s/early 2000s when ACC was expanding, Boston College, Syracuse, and Pittsburgh were football brands. Sure not on the level of FSU or Miami but they were 8/9 win teams and competitive. Better position than they are now.
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Yup. Big East football had some good brands back in the day. Not uncommon for one to step up and get major bowl invites.
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This is the concern that I see with Nebraska as well and why I think it is unlikely you will get back to where you were in the 1990s. There just isn't a lot of great recruiting footprint in your region. In the B1G heartland, the only states that really have a significant number of 4 and 5 star recruits are Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. (Well I guess Maryland as well although I still consider that more ACC country even with Maryland in B1G).
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I followed BC fairly closely when they first joined the ACC, and fwiw, their old AD nuked their program. He had a bad relationship with Tom O'Brien, which caused O'Brien to leave for NC State. He replaced O'Brien with a guy named Jeff Jagodzinski. Jags wins 20 games in his first two years, and gets fired because he had the nerve to interview with the New York Jets. AD then replaces Jags w/ their long time DC, who was NOT head coach material, and the program hasn't recovered.
Syracuse's downfall happened while they were in the Big East. I'm not sure what happened there.
Pitt's downfall happened when they couldn't replace Majors or Sherill. They just haven't been Pitt since the late 1980s.
One thing that should be mentioned is that Pitt's football stadium is 4-5 miles away from campus and is shared with a pro team, Syracuse's "stadium" is arguably the worst in the P5 + BC's football stadium is located in an area where the locals are pissed that sports exist. Just not a good situation for them.
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Interestingly, Pittsburgh has made the most noise recently of the three programs and has the best opportunity to come back. Pennsylvania still has a lot of good recruits. The problem is that they kind of sit in the shadow of Penn State.
Syracuse is probably in the weakest spot. There current coach, Dino Babers, got them kind of back to prominent in 2018 but they have collapsed since. The 2018 season was their best season in perhaps 10 years or so. I remember UT playing Syracuse with Donovan McNabb and it was a fun game. I would love to see them back.
The issue is just demographics. The Northeast just isn't into college football like the Midwest and Sunbelt areas. This is a HUGE reason these programs are falling behind.
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In retrospect, the ACC made some really bad decisions regarding expansion. Adding Florida State gave them legitimacy in the 90s but they didn't see themselves as anything more than a regional southern conference until it was too late. Even then, they made bad decisions adding programs like Syracuse, BC, etc.
In retrospect, they should have been more proactive adding major public schools in the Northeast corridor (DC, Maryland, Philly, NJ and NYC). People forget Penn State wasn't in the Big Ten for the longest time. If the ACC had the foresight to add Penn State and Rutgers, they could have dominated that NE corridor instead of allowing the Big Ten to do just that.
I also think having a presence in the NE corridor and the SE would have made the conference a lot more enticing for Notre Dame to join. Ideally the ACC could have had WVU, Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland, Virginia, VT, UNC, NC State, Duke, WF, Clemson, GT, Florida State and Miami FL. That would have been a much more lucrative conference.
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Oh, you THINK it’s going to be a good rivalry game, huh? Lol.