Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC

[Red_Alert]

This is the concern that I see with Nebraska as well and why I think it is unlikely you will get back to where you were in the 1990s. There just isn't a lot of great recruiting footprint in your region. In the B1G heartland, the only states that really have a significant number of 4 and 5 star recruits are Michigan, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. (Well I guess Maryland as well although I still consider that more ACC country even with Maryland in B1G).

Again. That stuff's just low hanging fruit.
Been through this 1,000 times on these message boards.
Getting back to 9/10 wins is achievable with the right coach. Said coach does not need to be 'elite' to achieve that. Once Nebraska can get back to that 9/10 wins they'll recruit better. Kids want to play for coaches that show they can have success. They want to play at programs that have a chance at success and they'll have eyeballs on them.
Nebraska football has been pathetic for a good 6 or 7 years, yet they still land Top 20 recruiting classes. That is largely in part due to an impressive trophy room. Major bowls, Nattys, Heisman's and other major awards.
With an expanded CFP, 2 or even 3 loss teams have a good chance of getting in. i.e. (11-2) or even (10-3). Being a blueblood with that record will get you in over a Northwestern or Minnesota with that record. See 2014 Baylor/TCU for a perfect example of my point. Ohio St got in over them with a loss to lowly (6-6) Va Tech. Ohio St's blueblood status was what tipped the scale.
If it were TX/OU that were the (11-1) Big 12 team, they'd have gotten the invite. Again.... Blueblood.

As I've stated many times, there are only 3 maybe 4 (at best) elite coaches in a generation. Getting one is a crapshoot. Dabo is a perfect example of taking 6, 7, 8 win teams to national prominence. The recruiting followed the success to get to elite level an playing for natty's. Not the other way around.

The vast, vast majority of those spilling that type of Nebraska rhetoric insinuate they themselves are on the cusp of being 'elite' when they themselves are a good distance from Bama/Clemson/Ohio St type elite.
"bUt We'Re iN a TAleNt rICh ReCrUiTing ArEa". Says Texas, Southern Cal, Florida, etc, etc.

Neither you or anyone else spewing that low hanging fruit rhetoric are what you're insinuating you're on the cusp of. Without an elite coach you're just a 9 or 10 win school. if even that.

 

[Red_Alert]

What those spewing the low hanging fruit regarding Nebraska not being in prime recruiting grounds is HOPE.

They HOPE Nebraska stays down thus reach for whatever they can to justify it in their minds.

 

[Thiefery]

Smart move. I need to do that, but used to YoutubeTV at this point. Hated when PSVue went away.

I've had YoutubeTV since I moved into this apt in Houston.. I hate it, but probably because I have been a long long time Cable subscriber.

Soon as I close on my house I'll be ordering either AT&T or Infinity.

Also I found this to be amusing;

 

[Volbound1700]

Again. That stuff's just low hanging fruit.
Been through this 1,000 times on these message boards.
Getting back to 9/10 wins is achievable with the right coach. Said coach does not need to be 'elite' to achieve that. Once Nebraska can get back to that 9/10 wins they'll recruit better. Kids want to play for coaches that show they can have success. They want to play at programs that have a chance at success and they'll have eyeballs on them.
Nebraska football has been pathetic for a good 6 or 7 years, yet they still land Top 20 recruiting classes. That is largely in part due to an impressive trophy room. Major bowls, Nattys, Heisman's and other major awards.
With an expanded CFP, 2 or even 3 loss teams have a good chance of getting in. i.e. (11-2) or even (10-3). Being a blueblood with that record will get you in over a Northwestern or Minnesota with that record. See 2014 Baylor/TCU for a perfect example of my point. Ohio St got in over them with a loss to lowly (6-6) Va Tech. Ohio St's blueblood status was what tipped the scale.
If it were TX/OU that were the (11-1) Big 12 team, they'd have gotten the invite. Again.... Blueblood.

As I've stated many times, there are only 3 maybe 4 (at best) elite coaches in a generation. Getting one is a crapshoot. Dabo is a perfect example of taking 6, 7, 8 win teams to national prominence. The recruiting followed the success to get to elite level an playing for natty's. Not the other way around.

The vast, vast majority of those spilling that type of Nebraska rhetoric insinuate they themselves are on the cusp of being 'elite' when they themselves are a good distance from Bama/Clemson/Ohio St type elite.
"bUt We'Re iN a TAleNt rICh ReCrUiTing ArEa". Says Texas, Southern Cal, Florida, etc, etc.

Neither you or anyone else spewing that low hanging fruit rhetoric are what you're insinuating you're on the cusp of. Without an elite coach you're just a 9 or 10 win school. if even that.

It makes it harder, trust me coming from a UT fan perspective playing in the SEC with rivals that are in more fertile recruiting grounds. Those schools are more attractive to coaches and recruits in general. You need a Dabo Swinney kind of hire to be relevant. They can turn it around with less and generally stay more competitive.

The good news for Nebraska is that although the B1G West is far stronger than Big12 North, you guys are still in a division with opponents that all share your problems. Really, you guys should be far more dominant in that division as you are the only Blue Blood in that division. Your Achilles Heel is Wisconsin. Get ahead of Wisconsin (and Iowa) and you guys can start to turn things around. I always say as a Tennessee fan that in order for us to get back, we need to start beating Kentucky, Missouri, South Carolina, and Vandy on a regular bases. We are at that point up to #3 in the Division and can start taking a stab at Florida and Georgia. You guys are in the same boat, get ahead of Iowa, Northwestern, and Wisconsin and you guys will start to come back.

 

[Red_Alert]

I've had YoutubeTV since I moved into this apt in Houston.. I hate it, but probably because I have been a long long time Cable subscriber.

Soon as I close on my house I'll be ordering either AT&T or Infinity.

Also I found this to be amusing;
View attachment 37061

That's fucking hilarious.
Gotta be a troll Iowa account.
Maybe a troll Missouri account since it includes KU.

 

[Thiefery]

That's fucking hilarious.
Gotta be a troll Iowa account.
Maybe a troll Missouri account since it includes KU.

Username definitely checks out on that one lol

 

[Cowboyinexile]

 

[Volbound1700]

As crazy as this sounds, Kansas would be a nice addition to the SEC because we need help in Men's Basketball. Kansas vs. Kentucky would be a great rivalry and you would restore the Missouri-Kansas Borderwar game.

 

[Red_Alert]

It makes it harder, trust me coming from a UT fan perspective playing in the SEC with rivals that are in more fertile recruiting grounds. Those schools are more attractive to coaches and recruits in general. You need a Dabo Swinney kind of hire to be relevant. They can turn it around with less and generally stay more competitive.

The good news for Nebraska is that although the B1G West is far stronger than Big12 North, you guys are still in a division with opponents that all share your problems. Really, you guys should be far more dominant in that division as you are the only Blue Blood in that division. Your Achilles Heel is Wisconsin. Get ahead of Wisconsin (and Iowa) and you guys can start to turn things around. I always say as a Tennessee fan that in order for us to get back, we need to start beating Kentucky, Missouri, South Carolina, and Vandy on a regular bases. We are at that point up to #3 in the Division and can start taking a stab at Florida and Georgia. You guys are in the same boat, get ahead of Iowa, Northwestern, and Wisconsin and you guys will start to come back.

You're stuck on that low hanging fruit aren't you?

 

[Red_Alert]

Username definitely checks out on that one lol

I noted that too. "Slo-Husker"

That's what actually tipped me to a troll account. Missouri makes the most sense.

 

[Volbound1700]

I noted that too. "Slo-Husker"

That's what actually tipped me to a troll account. Missouri makes the most sense.

Nebraska in the B1G is a good fit. You guys have regional opponents like Iowa, Wisconsin, and Minnesota to play and build rivalries with. The only SEC state that borders Nebraska is Missouri lol. I guess Oklahoma and Missouri would be good rivals but no one else.

It might be a little bit of a stretch but it is arguable that Missouri, Oklahoma, and Texas are in the Southeast. You have no argument that Nebraska is in the Southeast lol.

 

[Red_Alert]

As crazy as this sounds, Kansas would be a nice addition to the SEC because we need help in Men's Basketball. Kansas vs. Kentucky would be a great rivalry and you would restore the Missouri-Kansas Borderwar game.

Basketball is simply not popular in SEC country. Yeah everybody in Kentucky and Kansas would watch it, or everybody in Kansas and Missouri would watch it, but very few in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, or Georgia are watching those match-ups. ESPN knows that.

 

[Red_Alert]

Nebraska in the B1G is a good fit. You guys have regional opponents like Iowa, Wisconsin, and Minnesota to play and build rivalries with. The only SEC state that borders Nebraska is Missouri lol. I guess Oklahoma and Missouri would be good rivals but no one else.

It might be a little bit of a stretch but it is arguable that Missouri, Oklahoma, and Texas are in the Southeast. You have no argument that Nebraska is in the Southeast lol.

 

[NinerSpartan]

In retrospect, the ACC made some really bad decisions regarding expansion. Adding Florida State gave them legitimacy in the 90s but they didn't see themselves as anything more than a regional southern conference until it was too late. Even then, they made bad decisions adding programs like Syracuse, BC, etc.

In retrospect, they should have been more proactive adding major public schools in the Northeast corridor (DC, Maryland, Philly, NJ and NYC). People forget Penn State wasn't in the Big Ten for the longest time. If the ACC had the foresight to add Penn State and Rutgers, they could have dominated that NE corridor instead of allowing the Big Ten to do just that.

I also think having a presence in the NE corridor and the SE would have made the conference a lot more enticing for Notre Dame to join. Ideally the ACC could have had WVU, Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland, Virginia, VT, UNC, NC State, Duke, WF, Clemson, GT, Florida State and Miami FL. That would have been a much more lucrative conference.

Adding Penn State w/ FSU was on table in 1991, but Tobacco Road blocked it b/c "muhhh round robin ACC basketball"

What a huge fuck up.

BC was the classic "let's add them for the market" addition. Pitt and Syracuse were added because they were the most attractive (available) options for the ACC in 2011, because they had fucked things up so badly in 1991.

 

[Volbound1700]

Basketball is simply not popular in SEC country. Yeah everybody in Kentucky and Kansas would watch it, or everybody in Kansas and Missouri would watch it, but very few in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, or Georgia are watching those match-ups. ESPN knows that.

That is why it won't happen lol. Although, I will see Basketball has gotten more popular the last 5-10 years in the SEC. This is why you have seen improvement in the league as well as the big splash coaching hires and expansion of arenas.

 

[Red_Alert]

That is why it won't happen lol. Although, I will see Basketball has gotten more popular the last 5-10 years in the SEC. This is why you have seen improvement in the league as well as the big splash coaching hires and expansion of arenas.

It has gained ground, but I don't think that was much of the media rights negotiation. It was centered on what football will bring.

BTW: TX/OU bring decent basketball programs.

 

[Thiefery]

i'm excited about Baseball tbh

 

[Volbound1700]

It has gained ground, but I don't think that was much of the media rights negotiation. It was centered on what football will bring.

BTW: TX/OU bring decent basketball programs.

OU and Texas have decent programs in most of the non-football sports. Oklahoma won the Softball National Title. SEC won't be hurting on the other sports both teams bring to the table.

I was a little disappointed in Missouri basketball, initially, as I expected more from them. They have been alright lately.

 

[Red_Alert]

OU and Texas have decent programs in most of the non-football sports. Oklahoma won the Softball National Title. SEC won't be hurting on the other sports both teams bring to the table.

I was a little disappointed in Missouri basketball, initially, as I expected more from them. They have been alright lately.

TX/OU bring good baseball programs too. Texas is a blueblood.

Unfortunately college baseball doesn't bring eyeballs until the NCAA tournament starts in June. Even then, not all regionals are televised and those that are are on ESPN 2. Super Regionals are all televised, but on ESPN2.
You have to get to the CWS to start seeing games on ESPN. Even some of those are get slotted on ESPN2.

 

[Volbound1700]

TX/OU bring good baseball programs too. Texas is a blueblood.

Unfortunately college baseball doesn't bring eyeballs until the NCAA tournament starts in June. Even then, not all regionals are televised and those that are are on ESPN 2. Super Regionals are all televised, but on ESPN2.
You have to get to the CWS to start seeing games on ESPN. Even some of those are get slotted on ESPN2.

I knew all of that and agree with you. Yeah, I think Texas has 5-6 Titles in Baseball. I thought they would have won it this year with Arkansas losing in the super regional. Texas has a stout Women's Basketball team as well (SEC is usually the strongest Women's Basketball Conference). As stated, we are not hurting in the other sports by adding either of them. Rick Barnes gets to travel back to his old stomping grounds again, lol.

The cool thing about the other sports is that most of the SEC schools will see OU and Texas in 2022 right away. Tennessee will likely play both in Basketball before we get them in Football.